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2/2/2014 8:38:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:37:03 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
I have given up on Atheism as of recently. I think that Idealistic Panentheism is probably true.

So you believe the Universe is God?
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2/2/2014 8:40:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:38:49 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:37:03 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
I have given up on Atheism as of recently. I think that Idealistic Panentheism is probably true.

So you believe the Universe is God?

That is Pantheism. I think Panentheism is probably true. There is a difference.
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2/2/2014 8:40:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:40:12 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:38:49 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:37:03 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
I have given up on Atheism as of recently. I think that Idealistic Panentheism is probably true.

So you believe the Universe is God?

That is Pantheism. I think Panentheism is probably true. There is a difference.

Oops, sorry.
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2/2/2014 8:45:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
@RT I'm sorry if I sounded mean and rude in the past. I hope you can forgive me of my actions. I just want to be humble like Christ.
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2/2/2014 8:47:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:37:03 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
I have given up on Atheism as of recently. I think that Idealistic Panentheism is probably true.

What exactly is Panentheism?
tkubok
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2/2/2014 8:49:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

Atheism is the default position. It could never be on trial.
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2/2/2014 8:50:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:47:44 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:37:03 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
I have given up on Atheism as of recently. I think that Idealistic Panentheism is probably true.

What exactly is Panentheism?

http://lmgtfy.com...
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2/2/2014 8:50:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:49:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

Atheism is the default position. It could never be on trial.

How is Atheism the default position?
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2/2/2014 8:52:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:50:19 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:47:44 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:37:03 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
I have given up on Atheism as of recently. I think that Idealistic Panentheism is probably true.

What exactly is Panentheism?

http://lmgtfy.com...

I just want to say I thought that was actually clever...
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2/2/2014 8:53:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

What do you do in this trial?

I think god is probably not real. What does this make me?
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2/2/2014 8:54:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:49:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

Atheism is the default position. It could never be on trial.

Disproving Theistic arguements is the first step. The second step is to now prove why you think God does not exist.
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2/2/2014 8:54:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:49:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

Atheism is the default position. It could never be on trial.

Atheism makes the positive claim that God does not exist. Of course it can on trial, lol. The very title has the word "theism" in it.
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janetsanders733
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2/2/2014 8:54:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:53:51 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

What do you do in this trial?

I think god is probably not real. What does this make me?

An atheist since you believe God does not exist.
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2/2/2014 8:56:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:52:57 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:50:19 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:47:44 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:37:03 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
I have given up on Atheism as of recently. I think that Idealistic Panentheism is probably true.

What exactly is Panentheism?

http://lmgtfy.com...

I just want to say I thought that was actually clever...

It is an old gag, but still effective lol
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2/2/2014 8:56:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:54:59 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:53:51 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

What do you do in this trial?

I think god is probably not real. What does this make me?

An atheist since you believe God does not exist.

Ok. So what do I do in this trial?
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2/2/2014 8:58:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:56:49 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:54:59 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:53:51 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

What do you do in this trial?

I think god is probably not real. What does this make me?

An atheist since you believe God does not exist.

Ok. So what do I do in this trial?

Hmmm. I guess defend Atheism.
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2/2/2014 8:58:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:56:26 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:52:57 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:50:19 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:47:44 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:37:03 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
I have given up on Atheism as of recently. I think that Idealistic Panentheism is probably true.

What exactly is Panentheism?

http://lmgtfy.com...

I just want to say I thought that was actually clever...

It is an old gag, but still effective lol

LOL I found that to be kind of funny.
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2/2/2014 8:59:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:56:26 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:52:57 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:50:19 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:47:44 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:37:03 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
I have given up on Atheism as of recently. I think that Idealistic Panentheism is probably true.

What exactly is Panentheism?

http://lmgtfy.com...

I just want to say I thought that was actually rather clever...

It is an old gag, but still effective lol

How did you do this?

Oh wait- Don't give me your sass you troll. Tell me what to Google, you need not to demonstrate.
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2/2/2014 9:04:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:50:41 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:49:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

Atheism is the default position. It could never be on trial.

How is Atheism the default position?

Atheism is the disbelief of the claim that a God exists.

The default position is always to not accept that something is true, until there is evidence to support its truth or existance.

You can either accept, or not accept a claim as true. Those are the only two options. Clearly you are not going to blindly accept all claims as true, right?
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2/2/2014 9:04:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:59:27 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:56:26 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:52:57 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:50:19 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:47:44 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:37:03 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
I have given up on Atheism as of recently. I think that Idealistic Panentheism is probably true.

What exactly is Panentheism?

http://lmgtfy.com...

I just want to say I thought that was actually rather clever...

It is an old gag, but still effective lol

How did you do this?

Oh wait- Don't give me your sass you troll. Tell me what to Google, you need not to demonstrate.

You already know what to google, as you asked me specifically what Panentheism was. This is the joke lol I think it is funny, no need to get upset.
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2/2/2014 9:06:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:54:08 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:49:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

Atheism is the default position. It could never be on trial.


Disproving Theistic arguements is the first step. The second step is to now prove why you think God does not exist.

Well, atheism isnt the position that God does not exist. Ive told you this how many times now.

But, i mean, yeah, the first step part of it is part of determining if the claim has valid evidence or arguments to support it.
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2/2/2014 9:07:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 9:04:14 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:50:41 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:49:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

Atheism is the default position. It could never be on trial.

How is Atheism the default position?

Atheism is the disbelief of the claim that a God exists.

That is more like agnosticism, because this person also doesn't believe that God doesn't exist. If he did, then he would be making a claim of his own "God doesn't exist". If the person isn't making that positive claim, and is just saying he lacks the belief that God exists, then that is just agnosticism, because that person also lacks the belief that God doesn't exist.


The default position is always to not accept that something is true, until there is evidence to support its truth or existance.

Sure. What reason is there to believe God doesn't exist? If that is not the claim you are making then why not call that agnosticism?


You can either accept, or not accept a claim as true. Those are the only two options. Clearly you are not going to blindly accept all claims as true, right?
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2/2/2014 9:07:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:54:28 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:49:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

Atheism is the default position. It could never be on trial.

Atheism makes the positive claim that God does not exist. Of course it can on trial, lol. The very title has the word "theism" in it.

No. Atheism is the disbelief of the claim that a God exists.
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2/2/2014 9:07:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 9:06:30 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:54:08 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:49:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

Atheism is the default position. It could never be on trial.


Disproving Theistic arguements is the first step. The second step is to now prove why you think God does not exist.

Well, atheism isnt the position that God does not exist. Ive told you this how many times now.

But, i mean, yeah, the first step part of it is part of determining if the claim has valid evidence or arguments to support it.

So then the proposition "God does not exist" Is false correct?
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2/2/2014 9:08:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:56:27 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
This is off topic, but the Broncos lost :((((((((

Broncos were terrible. What was it, 43-8? My god they were bad.
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2/2/2014 9:08:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 9:06:30 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:54:08 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:49:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

Atheism is the default position. It could never be on trial.


Disproving Theistic arguements is the first step. The second step is to now prove why you think God does not exist.

Well, atheism isnt the position that God does not exist. Ive told you this how many times now.

Yes it is. It is called Strong Atheism, what you are advocating is Weak Atheism, which is pretty much Agnosticism.


But, i mean, yeah, the first step part of it is part of determining if the claim has valid evidence or arguments to support it.
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2/2/2014 9:09:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 8:54:28 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:49:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/2/2014 8:33:07 PM, janetsanders733 wrote:
Here is the continuation of the Philosophical discussion from the Evolution on Trial discussion.

Atheism is the default position. It could never be on trial.

Atheism makes the positive claim that God does not exist. Of course it can on trial, lol. The very title has the word "theism" in it.

I've met and heard of very few self identified atheists that take this position. Often atheism is seen as the negation of theism i.e. they reject the claims of theists. The positive claim would definitely require a defense.