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What is Justice?

hatim5253
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3/6/2014 11:26:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Is justice just defined by legal action done by the government or is there more to it? Is there an absolute justice people can abide by or is it just relative? Is justice just defined by we think is right for us?
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3/7/2014 12:15:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Inherent in the notion of Justice is fairness. Unfair actions are always "unjust." I would even go so far as to say that justice is simply a more legalistic word that has no functional or definitional distinction from fairness.

The question than is "what is fair." Most people have an intuitive sense of fairness, but relying just on that can lead to moral subjectivism, which I find exceedingly irksome. We cannot make moral or ethical judgments without having some applicable moral knowledge that requires some universal principles we can get behind.

I think Aristotle summed it up nicely by indicating that justice was giving each their due. It is unfair to deprive us of what is owed to us, thus it is unjust. Again, we can get into questions like "what are people due" but then we begin to ask a chain of unending questions that get nowhere, so I'll call my post here for right now, since I haven't the time to add more.
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3/7/2014 7:33:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
There is a "legal system" and there is a "justice system." They are two different things. In a justice system all of the evidence is weighed by a judge or jury and a guilty or not guilty verdict is rendered.

In a legal system all of the evidence is subject to being admissible before it is viewed by a jury or considered by a judge. What ever evidence that remains after this process is weighed and a guilty or not guilty verdict is rendered.

The United States has a legal system and not a justice system. The word justice system is used incorrectly in the United States. The Justice Department is not a Justice department. It is the Legal Department. They review evidence and make decisions on whether evidence is admissible in a trail or not by making legal arguments for and against admission. They then weigh what evidence is left and make a determination as to whether there is enough evidence to warrant an indictment.
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3/8/2014 10:33:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Justice is a cardinal Virtue which consists of four subVirtues.

Retribution: punish unrepentant evil.
Compensation: rewarding Virtue.
Equity: judge all by the same Standard.
Honor: respect the Privation of Property; refrain from lying except in the case of a sufficient good result; etc. Basically miscellaneous.
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3/9/2014 3:00:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/6/2014 11:26:16 PM, hatim5253 wrote:
Is justice just defined by legal action done by the government or is there more to it? Is there an absolute justice people can abide by or is it just relative? Is justice just defined by we think is right for us?

The promotion of authentic justice in human society, as Plato realized 2500 years ago, is quite simply a matter of, in a mutually-supportive fashion, enabling every member of society to do full justice to his/her human potential, and to contribute that realized potential back to the community that fostered it. In my view what such an arguably enlightened concept of justice requires in the case of social justice is an equitable distribution of economic resources, well-being, and empowerment so that everyone is in an optimal social position to actualize his/her personal best. And in the case of criminal justice, well, a human potential-oriented concept of justice would make for a rehabilitation-oriented, as opposed to a punishment-oriented, system. Well, at any rate, this is my understanding of justice, in a nutshell.
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