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3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM
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Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.
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3/19/2014 4:28:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

Stalin was NOT right wing at all.
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3/19/2014 4:33:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 4:28:36 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

Stalin was NOT right wing at all.

Not publicly, but his view were more Fascist and authoritarian.
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3/19/2014 4:52:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 4:33:05 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:28:36 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

Stalin was NOT right wing at all.

Not publicly, but his view were more Fascist and authoritarian.

Fascism and authoritarianism is left wing, not right wing.
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3/19/2014 5:00:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 4:52:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:33:05 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:28:36 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

Stalin was NOT right wing at all.

Not publicly, but his view were more Fascist and authoritarian.

Fascism and authoritarianism is left wing, not right wing.
Incorrect, fascism was right wing positions with left wing politics. It is exceedingly difficult to classify fascism as one or the other. By today's definition it's become little more than a slur to describe people you don't like politically. Same goes for Socialism and Communism.
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3/19/2014 5:01:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 4:52:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:33:05 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:28:36 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

Stalin was NOT right wing at all.

Not publicly, but his view were more Fascist and authoritarian.

Fascism and authoritarianism is left wing, not right wing.

Fascism is right wing. I am 100% sure. The Nazi party, Franco's Fascists, and Mussolini's all identified as right wing, and considered themselves fascists.

Fascism promotes extreme nationalism, great social inequality, and authoritarianism. We know right from the start that the left wing promotes social equality.

Definition:
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

Wikipedia even calls it right wing on the second sentence.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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3/19/2014 5:09:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 5:00:44 PM, medv4380 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:52:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:33:05 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:28:36 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

Stalin was NOT right wing at all.

Not publicly, but his view were more Fascist and authoritarian.

Fascism and authoritarianism is left wing, not right wing.
Incorrect, fascism was right wing positions with left wing politics. It is exceedingly difficult to classify fascism as one or the other. By today's definition it's become little more than a slur to describe people you don't like politically. Same goes for Socialism and Communism.

Right wing positions with left wing politics? Aren't politics synonymous with positions?
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3/19/2014 5:10:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 5:09:48 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/19/2014 5:00:44 PM, medv4380 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:52:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:33:05 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:28:36 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

Stalin was NOT right wing at all.

Not publicly, but his view were more Fascist and authoritarian.

Fascism and authoritarianism is left wing, not right wing.
Incorrect, fascism was right wing positions with left wing politics. It is exceedingly difficult to classify fascism as one or the other. By today's definition it's become little more than a slur to describe people you don't like politically. Same goes for Socialism and Communism.


Right wing positions with left wing politics? Aren't politics synonymous with positions?

Read mine up ahead. I swear on all my life it is right wing.
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3/19/2014 5:13:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 5:01:57 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:52:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:33:05 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:28:36 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

Stalin was NOT right wing at all.

Not publicly, but his view were more Fascist and authoritarian.

Fascism and authoritarianism is left wing, not right wing.

Fascism is right wing. I am 100% sure. The Nazi party, Franco's Fascists, and Mussolini's all identified as right wing, and considered themselves fascists.

Fascism promotes extreme nationalism, great social inequality, and authoritarianism. We know right from the start that the left wing promotes social equality.

Definition:
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

Wikipedia even calls it right wing on the second sentence.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

If someone is for economic freedom and social freedoms, then they are the opposite of fascist correct?

Who are considered the most right wing people in the Republican Party? People like Ron Paul correct? He's for economic and social freedoms.
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3/19/2014 5:39:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 5:09:48 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/19/2014 5:00:44 PM, medv4380 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:52:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:33:05 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:28:36 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

Stalin was NOT right wing at all.

Not publicly, but his view were more Fascist and authoritarian.

Fascism and authoritarianism is left wing, not right wing.
Incorrect, fascism was right wing positions with left wing politics. It is exceedingly difficult to classify fascism as one or the other. By today's definition it's become little more than a slur to describe people you don't like politically. Same goes for Socialism and Communism.


Right wing positions with left wing politics? Aren't politics synonymous with positions?

Usually, but because fascism post WWI mixed the two both the left and the right have accused each other of being fascists when in reality fascism is a very odd duck.

In France nationalism was left wing republican politics (note, in France at the time Republicans were left wingers similar to the US before the flip). Left wing politics is nationalism. However, when fascism adopted it they kept their far right positions of attacking liberals, anticommunism, economic inequality is natural and welcomed, and many other very far right wing positions. It was ultimately a hybrid, and a nasty one at that.
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3/19/2014 5:56:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 5:39:07 PM, medv4380 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 5:09:48 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/19/2014 5:00:44 PM, medv4380 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:52:40 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:33:05 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:28:36 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

Stalin was NOT right wing at all.

Not publicly, but his view were more Fascist and authoritarian.

Fascism and authoritarianism is left wing, not right wing.
Incorrect, fascism was right wing positions with left wing politics. It is exceedingly difficult to classify fascism as one or the other. By today's definition it's become little more than a slur to describe people you don't like politically. Same goes for Socialism and Communism.


Right wing positions with left wing politics? Aren't politics synonymous with positions?

Usually, but because fascism post WWI mixed the two both the left and the right have accused each other of being fascists when in reality fascism is a very odd duck.

In France nationalism was left wing republican politics (note, in France at the time Republicans were left wingers similar to the US before the flip). Left wing politics is nationalism. However, when fascism adopted it they kept their far right positions of attacking liberals, anticommunism, economic inequality is natural and welcomed, and many other very far right wing positions. It was ultimately a hybrid, and a nasty one at that.

Ok, I get it. Fascism is it's own beast different then right or left wing.

It's always seemed to me like they just take the worst of each. I used to see a chart a lot that went like this:

Economic freedom-social control=Republican

Economic control-social freedom=democrat

Economic control-social control=Fascist

Economic freedom-social freedom=Libertarian
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3/19/2014 7:25:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

I am a student of history. I take ideas seriously; perhaps too seriously. The only person you mentioned that is a Fascist is Benito Mussolini. The rest have fascist tendencies bu they are not Fascists.

"Fascism is not an article for export."-il Duce Benito Mussolini
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3/19/2014 7:26:28 PM
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At 3/19/2014 7:25:47 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

I am a student of history. I take ideas seriously; perhaps too seriously. The only person you mentioned that is a Fascist is Benito Mussolini. The rest have fascist tendencies but they are not Fascists.

Fixed

"Fascism is not an article for export."-il Duce Benito Mussolini
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3/19/2014 7:27:06 PM
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At 3/19/2014 7:25:47 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

I am a student of history. I take ideas seriously; perhaps too seriously. The only person you mentioned that is a Fascist is Benito Mussolini. The rest have fascist tendencies bu they are not Fascists.

"Fascism is not an article for export."-il Duce Benito Mussolini

Franco and Hitler were both fascist. There is absolutely no doubt on that.
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3/19/2014 7:29:26 PM
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Okay, I'd be considered *dumb* when it comes to history, but someone explain what it means in explicit terms what "right wing and left wing" means please.

I recently had someone send me a (idk what its called) test and it came out saying I was a "SOLID AUTHORITARIAN" not sure if that's good or bad? Don't even understand its context?
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3/19/2014 7:30:59 PM
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At 3/19/2014 7:27:06 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:25:47 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

I am a student of history. I take ideas seriously; perhaps too seriously. The only person you mentioned that is a Fascist is Benito Mussolini. The rest have fascist tendencies bu they are not Fascists.

"Fascism is not an article for export."-il Duce Benito Mussolini

Franco and Hitler were both fascist. There is absolutely no doubt on that.
Hitler was a National Socialist; hence the name NSDAP. I am unfamiliar with Franco; so I won't comment thoroughly. Franco was a military general; not an ideologue. I don't see how he was a Fascist.
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3/19/2014 7:33:50 PM
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At 3/19/2014 7:29:26 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
Okay, I'd be considered *dumb* when it comes to history, but someone explain what it means in explicit terms what "right wing and left wing" means please.

I recently had someone send me a (idk what its called) test and it came out saying I was a "SOLID AUTHORITARIAN" not sure if that's good or bad? Don't even understand its context?

Here I thought you were a nice person. But you are secretly planning to bring down the iron fist lol jk

But the left and right wings originate from the French Revolution. Between those who were supported popular egalitarian reforms and those who believed in a more hierarchic society. This is just a short version of it. I can go further in details if need be.
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3/19/2014 7:41:23 PM
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At 3/19/2014 7:33:50 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:29:26 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
Okay, I'd be considered *dumb* when it comes to history, but someone explain what it means in explicit terms what "right wing and left wing" means please.

I recently had someone send me a (idk what its called) test and it came out saying I was a "SOLID AUTHORITARIAN" not sure if that's good or bad? Don't even understand its context?

Here I thought you were a nice person. But you are secretly planning to bring down the iron fist lol jk

But the left and right wings originate from the French Revolution. Between those who were supported popular egalitarian reforms and those who believed in a more hierarchic society. This is just a short version of it. I can go further in details if need be.

Hitler is indeed a facist. HE was not shy from that term either. Just look up "Was Hitler a fascist" Anyways, nazism was a form of fascism, as it is a philosophy, and not a party. It promoted extreme nationalism and social inequality, and was authoritarian. How is that not fascism?

http://www.english-online.at...

As for Franco, he was the dictator of Spain, following the Spanish civil war, aided by Mussolini, and Hitler. They were known as the three fascists. Here is the fascist flag and them together.

http://upload.wikimedia.org...

http://i.telegraph.co.uk...

http://politicalconnection.files.wordpress.com...
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3/19/2014 7:46:47 PM
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At 3/19/2014 7:29:26 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
Okay, I'd be considered *dumb* when it comes to history, but someone explain what it means in explicit terms what "right wing and left wing" means please.

I recently had someone send me a (idk what its called) test and it came out saying I was a "SOLID AUTHORITARIAN" not sure if that's good or bad? Don't even understand its context?

Ha, you were the one who came out as 100% conservative fascist. Now I'm unsure about your intentions, but the last notable fascist was Hitler.
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3/19/2014 7:50:33 PM
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At 3/19/2014 7:41:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Hitler is indeed a facist. HE was not shy from that term either. Just look up "Was Hitler a fascist" Anyways, nazism was a form of fascism, as it is a philosophy, and not a party. It promoted extreme nationalism and social inequality, and was authoritarian. How is that not fascism?

http://www.english-online.at...
It would be safe to say you have never read Mein Kampf or a biography on Hitler by your comment. No offense but it is obvious by your statement that he didn't shy away from the term. If you knew anything about the NSDAP; you would of realized that they did have a socialist wing of the party, a nationalist wing of the party and a conservative wing of the party. The socialist wing was ultimately expelled shortly after Hitler got out of of prison in the mid 20s.

As for Franco, he was the dictator of Spain, following the Spanish civil war, aided by Mussolini, and Hitler. They were known as the three fascists. Here is the fascist flag and them together.
That is a fallacy. Guilty by association.

http://upload.wikimedia.org...

http://i.telegraph.co.uk...

http://politicalconnection.files.wordpress.com...
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3/19/2014 7:56:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 7:50:33 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:41:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Hitler is indeed a facist. HE was not shy from that term either. Just look up "Was Hitler a fascist" Anyways, nazism was a form of fascism, as it is a philosophy, and not a party. It promoted extreme nationalism and social inequality, and was authoritarian. How is that not fascism?

http://www.english-online.at...
It would be safe to say you have never read Mein Kampf or a biography on Hitler by your comment. No offense but it is obvious by your statement that he didn't shy away from the term. If you knew anything about the NSDAP; you would of realized that they did have a socialist wing of the party, a nationalist wing of the party and a conservative wing of the party. The socialist wing was ultimately expelled shortly after Hitler got out of of prison in the mid 20s.

As for Franco, he was the dictator of Spain, following the Spanish civil war, aided by Mussolini, and Hitler. They were known as the three fascists. Here is the fascist flag and them together.
That is a fallacy. Guilty by association.

http://upload.wikimedia.org...

http://i.telegraph.co.uk...

http://politicalconnection.files.wordpress.com...

No offense, but it is a basic historical fact that Hitler was fascist. You can deny it all you want, but its in all the textbooks. This is what I've been taught my whole life, and his beliefs perfectly align with fascism. Fascism leans a little to the left to.

- Social inequality.
-Extreme nationalism
- Belief that the state was more important then the individual.
- Authoritarian.

He fits all 4 traits, so it is impossible to deny he was fascist, but if you require more sources, I have some?
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3/19/2014 8:03:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 4:22:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on it. There are quite a few Fascists and Authoritarians out there, and it sickens me. I really wonder why people can even consider this philosophy, as it was adhered to by the Kim Jungs, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Stalin. If you guys know any fascist or other extreme right wing groups, please inform me.

I assume you are talking about me. :PPPP
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3/19/2014 8:03:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 7:33:50 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:29:26 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
Okay, I'd be considered *dumb* when it comes to history, but someone explain what it means in explicit terms what "right wing and left wing" means please.

I recently had someone send me a (idk what its called) test and it came out saying I was a "SOLID AUTHORITARIAN" not sure if that's good or bad? Don't even understand its context?

Here I thought you were a nice person. But you are secretly planning to bring down the iron fist lol jk

But the left and right wings originate from the French Revolution. Between those who were supported popular egalitarian reforms and those who believed in a more hierarchic society. This is just a short version of it. I can go further in details if need be.
Ummm yeah I need directness when explaining something to me or I'm never gonna understand you. So could you give more details please?
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3/19/2014 8:04:52 PM
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At 3/19/2014 7:46:47 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:29:26 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
Okay, I'd be considered *dumb* when it comes to history, but someone explain what it means in explicit terms what "right wing and left wing" means please.

I recently had someone send me a (idk what its called) test and it came out saying I was a "SOLID AUTHORITARIAN" not sure if that's good or bad? Don't even understand its context?

Ha, you were the one who came out as 100% conservative fascist. Now I'm unsure about your intentions, but the last notable fascist was Hitler.

Hitler was CRAZY, insane, and definitely not a good leader as he "tried" to be.
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3/19/2014 8:05:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 7:56:15 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:50:33 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:41:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Hitler is indeed a facist. HE was not shy from that term either. Just look up "Was Hitler a fascist" Anyways, nazism was a form of fascism, as it is a philosophy, and not a party. It promoted extreme nationalism and social inequality, and was authoritarian. How is that not fascism?

http://www.english-online.at...
It would be safe to say you have never read Mein Kampf or a biography on Hitler by your comment. No offense but it is obvious by your statement that he didn't shy away from the term. If you knew anything about the NSDAP; you would of realized that they did have a socialist wing of the party, a nationalist wing of the party and a conservative wing of the party. The socialist wing was ultimately expelled shortly after Hitler got out of of prison in the mid 20s.

As for Franco, he was the dictator of Spain, following the Spanish civil war, aided by Mussolini, and Hitler. They were known as the three fascists. Here is the fascist flag and them together.
That is a fallacy. Guilty by association.

http://upload.wikimedia.org...

http://i.telegraph.co.uk...

http://politicalconnection.files.wordpress.com...

No offense, but it is a basic historical fact that Hitler was fascist. You can deny it all you want, but its in all the textbooks. This is what I've been taught my whole life, and his beliefs perfectly align with fascism. Fascism leans a little to the left to.
The textbooks also say all Communists are alike. That is not true. The terms are used to simplify for users at a more basic level. That is why you didn't counter fact anything thing I said because it is true. I could also claim FDR was a fascist because of the National Recovery Act and the imagery associated with it.

- Social inequality.
That has nothing to do with Fascism in particular. It is very well noted that Fascists denounced any form of class warfare. Fascists believe in class collaboration.
-Extreme nationalism
What is extreme nationalism? Who defines it?
- Belief that the state was more important then the individual.
Was Maoist China Fascist? Was Imperial Japan Fascist?
- Authoritarian.
That could be any regime in history.

He fits all 4 traits, so it is impossible to deny he was fascist, but if you require more sources, I have some?
These four traits can be applied to many countries including Communist countries.
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3/19/2014 8:06:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:03:31 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:33:50 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:29:26 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
Okay, I'd be considered *dumb* when it comes to history, but someone explain what it means in explicit terms what "right wing and left wing" means please.

I recently had someone send me a (idk what its called) test and it came out saying I was a "SOLID AUTHORITARIAN" not sure if that's good or bad? Don't even understand its context?

Here I thought you were a nice person. But you are secretly planning to bring down the iron fist lol jk

But the left and right wings originate from the French Revolution. Between those who were supported popular egalitarian reforms and those who believed in a more hierarchic society. This is just a short version of it. I can go further in details if need be.
Ummm yeah I need directness when explaining something to me or I'm never gonna understand you. So could you give more details please?

A fascist believes in....

1. The nation as a whole is more important then individual rights.
2. You believe in excessive social inequality, typically race, but other factors can apply.
3. You believe everybody should be extremely nationalistic.
4. You believe the leader should be blindly obeyed.
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3/19/2014 8:06:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:03:31 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:33:50 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:29:26 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
Okay, I'd be considered *dumb* when it comes to history, but someone explain what it means in explicit terms what "right wing and left wing" means please.

I recently had someone send me a (idk what its called) test and it came out saying I was a "SOLID AUTHORITARIAN" not sure if that's good or bad? Don't even understand its context?

Here I thought you were a nice person. But you are secretly planning to bring down the iron fist lol jk

But the left and right wings originate from the French Revolution. Between those who were supported popular egalitarian reforms and those who believed in a more hierarchic society. This is just a short version of it. I can go further in details if need be.
Ummm yeah I need directness when explaining something to me or I'm never gonna understand you. So could you give more details please?

Send me a PM because it will be long if you are interested because it will be long lol
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3/19/2014 8:13:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
How about I just retake that test and see if I understand everything and then see if I get the same or different cause this is all too confusing for me... 0.0
And/or do research on it as homework...
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3/19/2014 8:16:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:05:06 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:56:15 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:50:33 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:41:23 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:

Hitler is indeed a facist. HE was not shy from that term either. Just look up "Was Hitler a fascist" Anyways, nazism was a form of fascism, as it is a philosophy, and not a party. It promoted extreme nationalism and social inequality, and was authoritarian. How is that not fascism?

http://www.english-online.at...
It would be safe to say you have never read Mein Kampf or a biography on Hitler by your comment. No offense but it is obvious by your statement that he didn't shy away from the term. If you knew anything about the NSDAP; you would of realized that they did have a socialist wing of the party, a nationalist wing of the party and a conservative wing of the party. The socialist wing was ultimately expelled shortly after Hitler got out of of prison in the mid 20s.

As for Franco, he was the dictator of Spain, following the Spanish civil war, aided by Mussolini, and Hitler. They were known as the three fascists. Here is the fascist flag and them together.
That is a fallacy. Guilty by association.

http://upload.wikimedia.org...

http://i.telegraph.co.uk...

http://politicalconnection.files.wordpress.com...

No offense, but it is a basic historical fact that Hitler was fascist. You can deny it all you want, but its in all the textbooks. This is what I've been taught my whole life, and his beliefs perfectly align with fascism. Fascism leans a little to the left to.
The textbooks also say all Communists are alike. That is not true. The terms are used to simplify for users at a more basic level. That is why you didn't counter fact anything thing I said because it is true. I could also claim FDR was a fascist because of the National Recovery Act and the imagery associated with it.

- Social inequality.
That has nothing to do with Fascism in particular. It is very well noted that Fascists denounced any form of class warfare. Fascists believe in class collaboration.
-Extreme nationalism
What is extreme nationalism? Who defines it?
- Belief that the state was more important then the individual.
Was Maoist China Fascist? Was Imperial Japan Fascist?
- Authoritarian.
That could be any regime in history.

He fits all 4 traits, so it is impossible to deny he was fascist, but if you require more sources, I have some?
These four traits can be applied to many countries including Communist countries.

I will wait to answer these during the debate.
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3/19/2014 8:57:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:03:31 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:33:50 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/19/2014 7:29:26 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
Okay, I'd be considered *dumb* when it comes to history, but someone explain what it means in explicit terms what "right wing and left wing" means please.

I recently had someone send me a (idk what its called) test and it came out saying I was a "SOLID AUTHORITARIAN" not sure if that's good or bad? Don't even understand its context?

Here I thought you were a nice person. But you are secretly planning to bring down the iron fist lol jk

But the left and right wings originate from the French Revolution. Between those who were supported popular egalitarian reforms and those who believed in a more hierarchic society. This is just a short version of it. I can go further in details if need be.
Ummm yeah I need directness when explaining something to me or I'm never gonna understand you. So could you give more details please?

Basically, left means social equality (egalitarian), while right means hierarchical or that it's in some way impossible or undesirable for everyone to be equal.
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