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Whats the word to describe my belief? (help)

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3/19/2014 7:14:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 7:11:15 PM, andymcstab wrote:
I believe there is no god. Is there a word for this???

Atheism...
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3/19/2014 7:18:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
ah theres a problem.
the latest atheist oxford dictionary... i mean.. the latest oxford dictionary describes atheism as a mere "lack of belief", in god. What do i do?
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3/19/2014 7:28:17 PM
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maybe a real atheist, who only has mere lack of belief in God, can tell me the word which defines my belief?
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3/19/2014 8:14:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 7:28:17 PM, andymcstab wrote:
maybe a real atheist, who only has mere lack of belief in God, can tell me the word which defines my belief?

semantics for the sake of semantics. 1+1 doesn't really equal 2
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3/19/2014 8:21:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 7:18:42 PM, andymcstab wrote:
ah theres a problem.
the latest atheist oxford dictionary... i mean.. the latest oxford dictionary describes atheism as a mere "lack of belief", in god. What do i do?

Lack of belief apply's to both cases............

1) I believe X does not exist, ergo I lack the belief in the existence of X

2) I believe that it is possible for X to exist, but justified belief has not be established for X ergo I lack belief in X

I think this is a bit of a game for some religious people.

We don't do this sort of thing when it comes to reincarnation or rapeing aliens or what ever.

But as soon as you talk about God or other religious beliefs.........how much time get's spent on this ? too much.
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3/19/2014 8:39:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
So, if i use "atheist" to describe myself, then when someone argues against me, and (theoretically) i cannot substantiate that there is no god.. what is to stop me just claiming that i had mere "lack of belief", all along, and nonchalantly refer them to a dictionary?

This new definition of atheism seems to have made it impossible for me to ever lose..... ?
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3/19/2014 8:50:38 PM
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At 3/19/2014 7:11:15 PM, andymcstab wrote:
I believe there is no god. Is there a word for this???

Have you tried Googling it?
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3/19/2014 8:53:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:39:21 PM, andymcstab wrote:
So, if i use "atheist" to describe myself, then when someone argues against me, and (theoretically) i cannot substantiate that there is no god.. what is to stop me just claiming that i had mere "lack of belief", all along, and nonchalantly refer them to a dictionary?

This new definition of atheism seems to have made it impossible for me to ever lose..... ?

If you lack belief doesn't that make you an agnostic?
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3/19/2014 8:55:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:51:56 PM, andymcstab wrote:
google says atheism

What did Google use as a source?
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3/19/2014 8:57:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:51:56 PM, andymcstab wrote:
google says atheism

Don't get too hang up on categories or definitions.

Ultimately what matters is what you actually believe or don't.

For example. I personally believe that even if there is a God who exists this God let's anyone say anything about it. Thus any claim made that says God wants or doesn't want something in of it's self is not justification to believe that is what God wants or does not want.

Is there a word for that particular belief ? well I am not aware of it.
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3/19/2014 9:01:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Yes. Agnosticism.
You have attached a load of other beliefs to agnosticism, to make your example a compound belief. You cannot expect a word for all potential compound beliefs. But my belief is just linear, singular, and concise.
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3/19/2014 9:01:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 8:57:44 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 3/19/2014 8:51:56 PM, andymcstab wrote:
google says atheism

Don't get too hang up on categories or definitions.

Ultimately what matters is what you actually believe or don't.

For example. I personally believe that even if there is a God who exists this God let's anyone say anything about it. Thus any claim made that says God wants or doesn't want something in of it's self is not justification to believe that is what God wants or does not want.

Is there a word for that particular belief ? well I am not aware of it.

That didn't make much sense. Deism?
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3/19/2014 9:06:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 7:18:42 PM, andymcstab wrote:
ah theres a problem.
the latest atheist oxford dictionary... i mean.. the latest oxford dictionary describes atheism as a mere "lack of belief", in god. What do i do?

Honestly, this posture by atheists doesn't help. Even tho' agnostics have a reasonable case, even they get put down for repudiating atheism, since ignore how agnosticism could be applicable to atheism, deism and theism.

I'll tell you what I thought when I heard the 'atheism is not a belief' tripe. "This is fraudulent." And while it's good to see some atheists don't hissyfoot over it; everytime I hear a Krauss say atheism isn't a belief system, or someone online writes that atheism isn't a philosophy, I see how people of reason can be irrational.

Let's come to a mean. With respect to the existence of deities, atheists lack a belief, but this is based on an a priori adherence to skeptical thinking based on a naturalistic worldview (ie one which limits causality to Nature only). If we can agree on that it'd be a good case of honesty.
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3/19/2014 10:48:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I am more of a repeating atheist, who are the vast majority. We will only repeat the eternal wisdom confessed by our prophet, Gandalf... I mean, Mr dawkins.
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3/20/2014 9:44:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 7:18:42 PM, andymcstab wrote:
ah theres a problem.
the latest atheist oxford dictionary... i mean.. the latest oxford dictionary describes atheism as a mere "lack of belief", in god. What do i do?

Antitheism probably. The a- implies there's a lack, and anti- implies you're against. If you belief that no God exists (in other words: against the idea that God exists) then you can be best described as an antitheist.
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3/20/2014 10:18:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
But rejecting the positive idea that god exists, does not mean i belief that god does not exist. You havn't really changed the problem we already have.
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3/29/2014 12:54:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The word theism literally means "belief in a God". So adding the prefix "a-" literally means "without belief in a God". That is what the word literally means, and it can be used to describe both someone who merely doesn't believe a God exists and someone who believes that God doesn't exist. Because those positions are different, the subterms "weak" and "strong" atheism have arisen, weak describing the former and strong describing the latter. So you would be a strong atheist, someone who espouses the positive belief that no God exists, as opposes to merely withholding belief in one.