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Is existence better than nonexistence?

Mr.Gudak
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4/23/2014 8:01:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
It would seem intuitively obvious that existence is better, but if existence was better than nonexistence, then it would seem that if you were to bring someone into existence from nonexistence then you would be benefiting that person by bringing them from an inferior state to a superior one. But how can it be possible to benefit someone who does not yet exist?

It would be nice to hear everyone's opinion on this. Also does anyone know of any good books or articles on the subject?
zmikecuber
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4/23/2014 8:05:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 8:01:34 PM, Mr.Gudak wrote:
It would seem intuitively obvious that existence is better, but if existence was better than nonexistence, then it would seem that if you were to bring someone into existence from nonexistence then you would be benefiting that person by bringing them from an inferior state to a superior one. But how can it be possible to benefit someone who does not yet exist?

It would be nice to hear everyone's opinion on this. Also does anyone know of any good books or articles on the subject?

Right. Existence to non-existence or vice versa isn't a change in a thing strictly speaking.
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4/23/2014 8:09:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 8:01:34 PM, Mr.Gudak wrote:
It would seem intuitively obvious that existence is better, but if existence was better than nonexistence, then it would seem that if you were to bring someone into existence from nonexistence then you would be benefiting that person by bringing them from an inferior state to a superior one. But how can it be possible to benefit someone who does not yet exist?

It would be nice to hear everyone's opinion on this. Also does anyone know of any good books or articles on the subject?

Seems to me existence is no better or worse than non existence.

Biologically it's obvious why non existence cannot be better than existence, since the ones who prefer the latter effectively remove themselves from the equation early.

I see no reason to favour the former either though except a prima facie one
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4/23/2014 8:21:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 8:01:34 PM, Mr.Gudak wrote:
But how can it be possible to benefit someone who does not yet exist?

It would benefit them at the instant they begin exist.
Illegalcombatant
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4/23/2014 8:21:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 8:01:34 PM, Mr.Gudak wrote:
It would seem intuitively obvious that existence is better, but if existence was better than nonexistence, then it would seem that if you were to bring someone into existence from nonexistence then you would be benefiting that person by bringing them from an inferior state to a superior one. But how can it be possible to benefit someone who does not yet exist?

It would be nice to hear everyone's opinion on this. Also does anyone know of any good books or articles on the subject?

A few points come to mind......

1) "It would seem intuitively obvious"....When ever some one starts a philosophy argument with that as their main argument.........

2) Non existence person is a contradiction in terms

3) There is a bias a play, the only entities that can ask about whether it is better to exist or not are well entities that exist......so entities that exist think that it is better to exist.........

4) How are you determining what is "better" in order to get that existence is better than non existence. Do you just take that as axiomatic ? cause sure you can do that, but you can also take it as axiomatic that non existence is better or one is not greater than the other.
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Mr.Gudak
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4/23/2014 8:40:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
1) "It would seem intuitively obvious"....When ever some one starts a philosophy argument with that as their main argument.........

That wasn't my argument and I never said that existence is better than non existence. I was merely addressing the instinct of self preservation, or as you put it, the bias at play.
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4/24/2014 1:03:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 8:01:34 PM, Mr.Gudak wrote:
It would seem intuitively obvious that existence is better...
Well, how can one objectively compare the two?

...but if existence was better than nonexistence, then it would seem that if you were to bring someone into existence from nonexistence then you would be benefiting that person by bringing them from an inferior state to a superior one.
Well, we do that all the time: it's called procreation.

But how can it be possible to benefit someone who does not yet exist?
I guess you meant "But how can someone who does not yet exist possibly benefit from existing?" To that I say that if that potential someone's parents are capable and willing to give that potential person a good life, then it is possible for them to benefit.

It would be nice to hear everyone's opinion on this. Also does anyone know of any good books or articles on the subject?
Nope, just that old saying "everyday above ground is a good day" or "the dead know only 1 thing: it is better to be alive."
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: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.