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s-anthony
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4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
A timelessness by which all time is measured.
An unseen entity that makes all sight known.

It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.

What is it?
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4/24/2014 5:21:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM, s-anthony wrote:
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

A timelessness by which all time is measured.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

An unseen entity that makes all sight known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

What is it?
Utter nonsense. Are you dylancatlow's secret 2nd account?

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At 4/24/2014 5:14:04 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The brain.
The brain is a physical object, you dope.
WOS
: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
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4/24/2014 5:27:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Either: brain, god, or the period at the end of a sentence.
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4/24/2014 5:35:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I got it! A very real nothing would be a paragraph posted by dylancatlow!

Ok, now where's my prize?
WOS
: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
dylancatlow
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4/24/2014 5:36:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 5:25:14 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:14:04 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The brain.

Sorry, but I think the brain is very physical thing.

Which one of your clues indicates otherwise?
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4/24/2014 5:42:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 5:21:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM, s-anthony wrote:
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

No. It truly inhabits no space yet is all around us.


A timelessness by which all time is measured.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Since it inhabits no space, it does not experience time. However, from our perspective, time is measured by it.


An unseen entity that makes all sight known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Apart from the physical world, it remains unseen.


It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

It has no physical properties; yet, it makes known the physical universe.


What is it?
Utter nonsense. Are you dylancatlow's secret 2nd account?

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At 4/24/2014 5:14:04 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The brain.
The brain is a physical object, you dope.
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4/24/2014 5:46:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 5:42:01 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:21:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM, s-anthony wrote:
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

No. It truly inhabits no space yet is all around us.


A timelessness by which all time is measured.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Since it inhabits no space, it does not experience time. However, from our perspective, time is measured by it.


An unseen entity that makes all sight known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Apart from the physical world, it remains unseen.


It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

It has no physical properties; yet, it makes known the physical universe.


What is it?
Utter nonsense. Are you dylancatlow's secret 2nd account?

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At 4/24/2014 5:14:04 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The brain.
The brain is a physical object, you dope.

By using the term "it" you are referring to nothing as if it was something, which is contradictory. Only something can be referred to as an "it".
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4/24/2014 6:19:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 5:27:45 PM, 9spaceking wrote:
Either: brain, god, or the period at the end of a sentence.

It's not the brain or the period at the end of a sentence. I'm a pantheist; so, for me, everything's God.
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4/24/2014 6:27:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 5:46:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:42:01 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:21:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM, s-anthony wrote:
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

No. It truly inhabits no space yet is all around us.


A timelessness by which all time is measured.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Since it inhabits no space, it does not experience time. However, from our perspective, time is measured by it.


An unseen entity that makes all sight known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Apart from the physical world, it remains unseen.


It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

It has no physical properties; yet, it makes known the physical universe.


What is it?
Utter nonsense. Are you dylancatlow's secret 2nd account?

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At 4/24/2014 5:14:04 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The brain.
The brain is a physical object, you dope.

By using the term "it" you are referring to nothing as if it was something, which is contradictory. Only something can be referred to as an "it".

It is something, in as much as it is joined to all substance; in and of itself, it is nothing.

Without nothing, something does not make sense.
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4/24/2014 6:30:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 6:20:45 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:29:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
Consciousness?

You're only half right.

Being/existence?
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4/24/2014 6:32:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 6:20:45 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:29:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
Consciousness?

You're only half right.

Everything?
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4/24/2014 6:45:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 6:27:25 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:46:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:42:01 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:21:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM, s-anthony wrote:
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

No. It truly inhabits no space yet is all around us.


A timelessness by which all time is measured.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Since it inhabits no space, it does not experience time. However, from our perspective, time is measured by it.


An unseen entity that makes all sight known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Apart from the physical world, it remains unseen.


It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

It has no physical properties; yet, it makes known the physical universe.


What is it?
Utter nonsense. Are you dylancatlow's secret 2nd account?

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At 4/24/2014 5:14:04 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The brain.
The brain is a physical object, you dope.

By using the term "it" you are referring to nothing as if it was something, which is contradictory. Only something can be referred to as an "it".

It is something, in as much as it is joined to all substance; in and of itself, it is nothing.

Huh? Something cannot be nothing. That is a clear contradiction...


Without nothing, something does not make sense.
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4/24/2014 9:42:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 6:30:26 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:20:45 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:29:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
Consciousness?

You're only half right.

Being/existence?

Being is defined, by nothingness; I'm not saying being is nothing, but nothing delimits, sets being apart. It doesn't make sense to say there is something, in the absence of nothing. For, how could you have something, if only something existed? It's like saying one, without a contrasting value.

However, when I say nothing, it is nothing, as it stands alone; however, we can only know this nothing, in as much as it relates to something; remember something doesn't make sense, without nothing; and, nothing doesn't make sense, without something.
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4/24/2014 9:47:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 6:45:49 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:27:25 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:46:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:42:01 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:21:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM, s-anthony wrote:
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

No. It truly inhabits no space yet is all around us.


A timelessness by which all time is measured.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Since it inhabits no space, it does not experience time. However, from our perspective, time is measured by it.


An unseen entity that makes all sight known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Apart from the physical world, it remains unseen.


It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

It has no physical properties; yet, it makes known the physical universe.


What is it?
Utter nonsense. Are you dylancatlow's secret 2nd account?

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At 4/24/2014 5:14:04 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The brain.
The brain is a physical object, you dope.

By using the term "it" you are referring to nothing as if it was something, which is contradictory. Only something can be referred to as an "it".

It is something, in as much as it is joined to all substance; in and of itself, it is nothing.

Huh? Something cannot be nothing. That is a clear contradiction...

Something cannot be, without nothing.



Without nothing, something does not make sense.
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4/25/2014 5:13:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 9:47:14 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:45:49 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:27:25 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:46:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:42:01 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:21:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM, s-anthony wrote:
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

No. It truly inhabits no space yet is all around us.


A timelessness by which all time is measured.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Since it inhabits no space, it does not experience time. However, from our perspective, time is measured by it.


An unseen entity that makes all sight known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Apart from the physical world, it remains unseen.


It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

It has no physical properties; yet, it makes known the physical universe.


What is it?
Utter nonsense. Are you dylancatlow's secret 2nd account?

******************************************
At 4/24/2014 5:14:04 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The brain.
The brain is a physical object, you dope.

By using the term "it" you are referring to nothing as if it was something, which is contradictory. Only something can be referred to as an "it".

It is something, in as much as it is joined to all substance; in and of itself, it is nothing.

Huh? Something cannot be nothing. That is a clear contradiction...

Something cannot be, without nothing.



Without nothing, something does not make sense.

That makes no sense...
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4/25/2014 7:09:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/25/2014 5:13:28 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 9:47:14 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:45:49 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:27:25 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:46:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:42:01 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:21:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM, s-anthony wrote:
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

No. It truly inhabits no space yet is all around us.


A timelessness by which all time is measured.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Since it inhabits no space, it does not experience time. However, from our perspective, time is measured by it.


An unseen entity that makes all sight known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Apart from the physical world, it remains unseen.


It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

It has no physical properties; yet, it makes known the physical universe.


What is it?
Utter nonsense. Are you dylancatlow's secret 2nd account?

******************************************
At 4/24/2014 5:14:04 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The brain.
The brain is a physical object, you dope.

By using the term "it" you are referring to nothing as if it was something, which is contradictory. Only something can be referred to as an "it".

It is something, in as much as it is joined to all substance; in and of itself, it is nothing.

Huh? Something cannot be nothing. That is a clear contradiction...

Something cannot be, without nothing.



Without nothing, something does not make sense.

That makes no sense...

How can you have something, if there's not nothing for contrast? How do you have a single value? Opposites are needed to define each other: light, without darkness, makes no sense; life, without death, makes no sense; joy, without sorrow, makes no sense; and, something, without nothing, makes no sense.
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4/25/2014 8:01:44 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/25/2014 7:09:21 AM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/25/2014 5:13:28 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 9:47:14 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:45:49 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:27:25 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:46:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:42:01 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:21:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM, s-anthony wrote:
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

No. It truly inhabits no space yet is all around us.


A timelessness by which all time is measured.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Since it inhabits no space, it does not experience time. However, from our perspective, time is measured by it.


An unseen entity that makes all sight known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Apart from the physical world, it remains unseen.


It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

It has no physical properties; yet, it makes known the physical universe.


What is it?
Utter nonsense. Are you dylancatlow's secret 2nd account?

******************************************
At 4/24/2014 5:14:04 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The brain.
The brain is a physical object, you dope.

By using the term "it" you are referring to nothing as if it was something, which is contradictory. Only something can be referred to as an "it".

It is something, in as much as it is joined to all substance; in and of itself, it is nothing.

Huh? Something cannot be nothing. That is a clear contradiction...

Something cannot be, without nothing.



Without nothing, something does not make sense.

That makes no sense...

How can you have something, if there's not nothing for contrast? How do you have a single value? Opposites are needed to define each other: light, without darkness, makes no sense; life, without death, makes no sense; joy, without sorrow, makes no sense; and, something, without nothing, makes no sense.

Darkness is the absence of light and death is the absence of life. I don't think they're opposites. Forwards and backwards are opposites. Or maybe it's just semantics as well. Substantiate your claim that everything has to have an opposite?
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4/25/2014 9:09:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 9:42:31 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:30:26 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:20:45 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:29:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
Consciousness?

You're only half right.

Being/existence?

Being is defined, by nothingness; I'm not saying being is nothing, but nothing delimits, sets being apart. It doesn't make sense to say there is something, in the absence of nothing. For, how could you have something, if only something existed? It's like saying one, without a contrasting value.

However, when I say nothing, it is nothing, as it stands alone; however, we can only know this nothing, in as much as it relates to something; remember something doesn't make sense, without nothing; and, nothing doesn't make sense, without something.

This idea is really similar to a thread I just made: http://www.debate.org...
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4/25/2014 10:19:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/25/2014 8:01:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 4/25/2014 7:09:21 AM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/25/2014 5:13:28 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 9:47:14 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:45:49 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:27:25 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:46:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:42:01 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:21:30 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM, s-anthony wrote:
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

No. It truly inhabits no space yet is all around us.


A timelessness by which all time is measured.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Since it inhabits no space, it does not experience time. However, from our perspective, time is measured by it.


An unseen entity that makes all sight known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

Apart from the physical world, it remains unseen.


It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.
Contradiction and/or semantic game.

It has no physical properties; yet, it makes known the physical universe.


What is it?
Utter nonsense. Are you dylancatlow's secret 2nd account?

******************************************
At 4/24/2014 5:14:04 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The brain.
The brain is a physical object, you dope.

By using the term "it" you are referring to nothing as if it was something, which is contradictory. Only something can be referred to as an "it".

It is something, in as much as it is joined to all substance; in and of itself, it is nothing.

Huh? Something cannot be nothing. That is a clear contradiction...

Something cannot be, without nothing.



Without nothing, something does not make sense.

That makes no sense...

How can you have something, if there's not nothing for contrast? How do you have a single value? Opposites are needed to define each other: light, without darkness, makes no sense; life, without death, makes no sense; joy, without sorrow, makes no sense; and, something, without nothing, makes no sense.

Darkness is the absence of light and death is the absence of life. I don't think they're opposites. Forwards and backwards are opposites. Or maybe it's just semantics as well. Substantiate your claim that everything has to have an opposite?

By definition darkness and light and death and life are opposites. What sense would it make to say, "Turn on the light.", if there were no darkness, or "I am alive!", if there were no death?
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4/25/2014 10:32:48 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/25/2014 9:09:52 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/24/2014 9:42:31 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:30:26 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/24/2014 6:20:45 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:29:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
Consciousness?

You're only half right.

Being/existence?

Being is defined, by nothingness; I'm not saying being is nothing, but nothing delimits, sets being apart. It doesn't make sense to say there is something, in the absence of nothing. For, how could you have something, if only something existed? It's like saying one, without a contrasting value.

However, when I say nothing, it is nothing, as it stands alone; however, we can only know this nothing, in as much as it relates to something; remember something doesn't make sense, without nothing; and, nothing doesn't make sense, without something.

This idea is really similar to a thread I just made: http://www.debate.org...

I'm not familiar, with some of the terminology you used; but, yes, it does follow the same vein of thought.
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4/25/2014 11:17:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM, s-anthony wrote:
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
A timelessness by which all time is measured.
An unseen entity that makes all sight known.

It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.

What is it?

God or Mind. Let's draw parallels to the human mind. Your mind isn't space (or nothing). Search all of space and you can't see your mind. You mind is timeless in that you can't BE SURE of when it begins or end. If it ends when you're dead you won't know because you are dead, you will know when it's ending tho' (except your end was sudden). And you can't be sure of when it began, when you were a baby or from your first memories as toddler etc. You don't see yourmind but you know without it you can't be aware of what your eyes see (just like camera phones or robots are). Also, your mind informs your perception of time (so a day feels like an hour or vice-versa). But it is hardest to wrap your mind around eternity. Oblivion is easy since we sort of experience it when unconscious during sleep. Your mind is not physical, it is based on the physical brain but it isn't physical. Materialists deny this fact. To me saying the mind is physical is akin to saying concepts like infinity are physical. It's a category error. In any case, without your mind as in when in a coma or under anasthesia you can't be aware of reality. And writers use their minds to create internally-consistent realities like Harry Potter. In your mind the past and future, start and finish, feats and goals are known in the present moment. At anytime you can introspect on past actions and aspire for future hopes some you may achieve. After all, most things we do are MORE OR LESS based on past expectations. Saying mind is unconscious is paradoxical but it is true. You have the conscious, subconscious and unconscious aspects of your mind. We as himans have done or said things we never thought of or knew we could do. But it was always in us, deep in a part of our minds we never dared to explore and that makes mind an unconscious reality that is unfolded to reveal new aspects of us to us.
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4/25/2014 12:06:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/25/2014 8:01:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:


Darkness is the absence of light and death is the absence of life. I don't think they're opposites. Forwards and backwards are opposites. Or maybe it's just semantics as well. Substantiate your claim that everything has to have an opposite?

This is like saying he should substatiate what love is. Neither can he bring examples of words with opposites since the list is practicall inexhaustive in this context. Why don't you just bring a thing that has no opposite ? You just need an example. BTW that tap-dancing over death and darkness not being opposites of life and light respectively is ridiculous. You are rubbishing what YOU must have been taught in schools.
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4/25/2014 12:16:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/25/2014 11:17:50 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/24/2014 5:09:58 PM, s-anthony wrote:
A nonspatial being that inhabits all space.
A timelessness by which all time is measured.
An unseen entity that makes all sight known.

It is nothing, in and of itself; yet, it helps create all realities.
In its very eye, the beginning and the end are one.
The unconscious reality that makes all things known.

What is it?

God or Mind. Let's draw parallels to the human mind. Your mind isn't space (or nothing). Search all of space and you can't see your mind.

To me, the mind is the very physical brain; I don't see a distinction. It is very common in medicine, to manipulate all aspects of this organ, using pharmaceuticals.

You mind is timeless in that you can't BE SURE of when it begins or end. If it ends when you're dead you won't know because you are dead, you will know when it's ending tho' (except your end was sudden). And you can't be sure of when it began, when you were a baby or from your first memories as toddler etc.

If the mind were timeless, you wouldn't know anything; time speaks of change; in the absence of time, there is no change. Consciousness is defined by varying stimuli; having a single value makes no sense.

You don't see yourmind but you know without it you can't be aware of what your eyes see (just like camera phones or robots are). Also, your mind informs your perception of time (so a day feels like an hour or vice-versa). But it is hardest to wrap your mind around eternity. Oblivion is easy since we sort of experience it when unconscious during sleep.

Unconsciousness is unconsciousness. You can't respond to that which you have no knowledge. As you are sleeping, your body doesn't become non-responsive; non-responsiveness is death.

Your mind is not physical, it is based on the physical brain but it isn't physical. Materialists deny this fact. To me saying the mind is physical is akin to saying concepts like infinity are physical.

Concepts are very physical; they are defined by space and time; if they weren't, they would be beyond definition; in other words, they would have no meaning.

It's a category error. In any case, without your mind as in when in a coma or under anasthesia you can't be aware of reality. And writers use their minds to create internally-consistent realities like Harry Potter. In your mind the past and future, start and finish, feats and goals are known in the present moment. At anytime you can introspect on past actions and aspire for future hopes some you may achieve. After all, most things we do are MORE OR LESS based on past expectations. Saying mind is unconscious is paradoxical but it is true.

Saying the mind is unconsciousness is saying the mind is unconsciousness. You can't be conscious, of that which you're not conscious.

You have the conscious, subconscious and unconscious aspects of your mind. We as himans have done or said things we never thought of or knew we could do. But it was always in us, deep in a part of our minds we never dared to explore and that makes mind an unconscious reality that is unfolded to reveal new aspects of us to us.
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4/25/2014 1:18:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/25/2014 12:16:35 PM, s-anthony wrote:

To me, the mind is the very physical brain; I don't see a distinction. It is very common in medicine, to manipulate all aspects of this organ, using pharmaceuticals.

There is a distinction. The mind as experienced is not physical but it is based on the physical brain. Because it of how it is related to the brain, people confuse the mind for the brain which is wrong.


If the mind were timeless, you wouldn't know anything; time speaks of change; in the absence of time, there is no change. Consciousness is defined by varying stimuli; having a single value makes no sense.

Time occurs irregardless of whether there is change or not. And timelessness may occur side by side with change. The trick is to first see time as the mental event that it is. In any case, I will concede this point because I believe as it applies to humans, mind is subject to time in the context of the physical world.


Unconsciousness is unconsciousness. You can't respond to that which you have no knowledge. As you are sleeping, your body doesn't become non-responsive; non-responsiveness is death.

What of people in coma ?


Concepts are very physical; they are defined by space and time; if they weren't, they would be beyond definition; in other words, they would have no meaning.

This is absurd. Concepts like pain and death are not physical objects, which is what I meant by physical. And no they are not defined by space BY time, they are defined IN space and time.


Saying the mind is unconsciousness is saying the mind is unconsciousness. You can't be conscious, of that which you're not conscious.

I will edit what I said there. There are aspects of our minds we aren't conscious of.
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