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4/26/2014 9:44:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 12:37:38 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
Self-explanatory. Although I would add that this also includes philosophy debates on DDO you would like to personally have with others.

William Lane Craig vs Richard Dawkins. Dawkins needs to grow a pair and debate theism's most popular apologist if he wants to have any credibility with honest thinkers. But as Dr. Ed Feser states, Dawkins doesn't know the difference between metaphysics and metamucil.

Idk... I just have so much more respect for atheists like Nagel than I do for Dawkins. At least where philosophy is concerned.
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4/26/2014 9:46:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 12:37:38 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
Self-explanatory. Although I would add that this also includes philosophy debates on DDO you would like to personally have with others.

Rational_Thinker vs Mikal on the existence of God. Seriously, if you're reading this RT, you should consider debating Mikal or bluesteel or Roy Latham on gods existence.
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4/26/2014 10:28:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'd like to see a debate on transcendental idealism. Actually, I'd probably want to participate.
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4/26/2014 10:30:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 9:46:29 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 12:37:38 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
Self-explanatory. Although I would add that this also includes philosophy debates on DDO you would like to personally have with others.

Rational_Thinker vs Mikal on the existence of God. Seriously, if you're reading this RT, you should consider debating Mikal or bluesteel or Roy Latham on gods existence.

Unitedandy is the best atheist debater here.
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4/26/2014 10:32:29 PM
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At 4/26/2014 10:28:39 PM, phantom wrote:
I'd like to see a debate on transcendental idealism. Actually, I'd probably want to participate.

Like Kantian idealism right?
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4/26/2014 10:35:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:32:29 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:28:39 PM, phantom wrote:
I'd like to see a debate on transcendental idealism. Actually, I'd probably want to participate.

Like Kantian idealism right?

Yes, though it's important to note that Kant was in no way an idealist in the traditional meaning of the word, or if he was, it was over his dead body. You probably know that though.
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4/26/2014 10:39:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:35:31 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:32:29 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:28:39 PM, phantom wrote:
I'd like to see a debate on transcendental idealism. Actually, I'd probably want to participate.

Like Kantian idealism right?

Yes, though it's important to note that Kant was in no way an idealist in the traditional meaning of the word, or if he was, it was over his dead body. You probably know that though.

It's just like the noumena (imperceptible reality) vs phenomena (sensations which we know immediately) if I understand correctly? So it's not really idealism but not really empiricism either if my memory serves me right.. More like indirect realism I think.
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4/26/2014 10:48:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:39:58 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:35:31 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:32:29 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:28:39 PM, phantom wrote:
I'd like to see a debate on transcendental idealism. Actually, I'd probably want to participate.

Like Kantian idealism right?

Yes, though it's important to note that Kant was in no way an idealist in the traditional meaning of the word, or if he was, it was over his dead body. You probably know that though.

It's just like the noumena (imperceptible reality) vs phenomena (sensations which we know immediately) if I understand correctly? So it's not really idealism but not really empiricism either if my memory serves me right.. More like indirect realism I think.

Yes, it's distinguishable from both idealism and empiricism. We bring a set of a priori conditions to experience which render the vast array of stimuli in experience intelligible. This makes knowledge mediated rather than immediate, which is why we can't access noumenal reality. It's beyond our reach.
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4/26/2014 10:51:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I wouldn't want to defend his notions of space and time however, that "space and time are only subjective forms of human intuition that would not subsist in themselves if one were to abstract from all subjective conditions of human intuition".
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4/26/2014 10:51:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:48:40 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:39:58 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:35:31 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:32:29 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:28:39 PM, phantom wrote:
I'd like to see a debate on transcendental idealism. Actually, I'd probably want to participate.

Like Kantian idealism right?

Yes, though it's important to note that Kant was in no way an idealist in the traditional meaning of the word, or if he was, it was over his dead body. You probably know that though.

It's just like the noumena (imperceptible reality) vs phenomena (sensations which we know immediately) if I understand correctly? So it's not really idealism but not really empiricism either if my memory serves me right.. More like indirect realism I think.

Yes, it's distinguishable from both idealism and empiricism. We bring a set of a priori conditions to experience which render the vast array of stimuli in experience intelligible. This makes knowledge mediated rather than immediate, which is why we can't access noumenal reality. It's beyond our reach.

That makes sense. Didn't Bertrand Russell advocate an indirect realism similar to that?
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4/26/2014 10:58:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:51:43 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:48:40 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:39:58 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:35:31 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:32:29 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:28:39 PM, phantom wrote:
I'd like to see a debate on transcendental idealism. Actually, I'd probably want to participate.

Like Kantian idealism right?

Yes, though it's important to note that Kant was in no way an idealist in the traditional meaning of the word, or if he was, it was over his dead body. You probably know that though.

It's just like the noumena (imperceptible reality) vs phenomena (sensations which we know immediately) if I understand correctly? So it's not really idealism but not really empiricism either if my memory serves me right.. More like indirect realism I think.

Yes, it's distinguishable from both idealism and empiricism. We bring a set of a priori conditions to experience which render the vast array of stimuli in experience intelligible. This makes knowledge mediated rather than immediate, which is why we can't access noumenal reality. It's beyond our reach.

That makes sense. Didn't Bertrand Russell advocate an indirect realism similar to that?

Uh, I don't believe so.
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4/26/2014 11:04:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 9:44:31 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 12:37:38 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
Self-explanatory. Although I would add that this also includes philosophy debates on DDO you would like to personally have with others.

William Lane Craig vs Richard Dawkins. Dawkins needs to grow a pair and debate theism's most popular apologist if he wants to have any credibility with honest thinkers. But as Dr. Ed Feser states, Dawkins doesn't know the difference between metaphysics and metamucil.

Idk... I just have so much more respect for atheists like Nagel than I do for Dawkins. At least where philosophy is concerned.

Dawkins is so unphilosophical, it's an embarrassment. He should stick to arguing with creationists, not theism in general. I wish more famous atheists were heavily philosophically educated.
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4/26/2014 11:07:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:58:27 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:51:43 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:48:40 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:39:58 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:35:31 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:32:29 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:28:39 PM, phantom wrote:
I'd like to see a debate on transcendental idealism. Actually, I'd probably want to participate.

Like Kantian idealism right?

Yes, though it's important to note that Kant was in no way an idealist in the traditional meaning of the word, or if he was, it was over his dead body. You probably know that though.

It's just like the noumena (imperceptible reality) vs phenomena (sensations which we know immediately) if I understand correctly? So it's not really idealism but not really empiricism either if my memory serves me right.. More like indirect realism I think.

Yes, it's distinguishable from both idealism and empiricism. We bring a set of a priori conditions to experience which render the vast array of stimuli in experience intelligible. This makes knowledge mediated rather than immediate, which is why we can't access noumenal reality. It's beyond our reach.

That makes sense. Didn't Bertrand Russell advocate an indirect realism similar to that?

Uh, I don't believe so.

More like the opposite actually. I like some of Russell's theories on truth but not the rest of his epistemology.
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4/26/2014 11:19:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:58:27 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:51:43 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:48:40 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:39:58 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:35:31 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:32:29 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:28:39 PM, phantom wrote:
I'd like to see a debate on transcendental idealism. Actually, I'd probably want to participate.

Like Kantian idealism right?

Yes, though it's important to note that Kant was in no way an idealist in the traditional meaning of the word, or if he was, it was over his dead body. You probably know that though.

It's just like the noumena (imperceptible reality) vs phenomena (sensations which we know immediately) if I understand correctly? So it's not really idealism but not really empiricism either if my memory serves me right.. More like indirect realism I think.

Yes, it's distinguishable from both idealism and empiricism. We bring a set of a priori conditions to experience which render the vast array of stimuli in experience intelligible. This makes knowledge mediated rather than immediate, which is why we can't access noumenal reality. It's beyond our reach.

That makes sense. Didn't Bertrand Russell advocate an indirect realism similar to that?

Uh, I don't believe so.

Really? I thought he had that quote that when a neuroscientist looks into someone's brain he's actually seeing the inside of his own brain. Idk maybe I'm completely wrong.
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4/26/2014 11:42:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 12:37:38 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
Self-explanatory. Although I would add that this also includes philosophy debates on DDO you would like to personally have with others.

Myself vs Dream or Zmike

Topic Homosexual acts are immoral (using natural theology to justify it)

SO what was the "purpose" of the ebola virus mike ?, you never did get back to me on that.

I am coming..........
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4/26/2014 11:44:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 11:42:30 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 4/26/2014 12:37:38 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
Self-explanatory. Although I would add that this also includes philosophy debates on DDO you would like to personally have with others.

Myself vs Dream or Zmike

Topic Homosexual acts are immoral (using natural theology to justify it)

Them as Pro me as Con

SO what was the "purpose" of the ebola virus mike ?, you never did get back to me on that.

I am coming..........
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4/26/2014 11:46:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 11:42:30 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 4/26/2014 12:37:38 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
Self-explanatory. Although I would add that this also includes philosophy debates on DDO you would like to personally have with others.

Myself vs Dream or Zmike

Topic Homosexual acts are immoral (using natural theology to justify it)

SO what was the "purpose" of the ebola virus mike ?, you never did get back to me on that.

I am coming..........

The purpose of a is whatever it is directed towards by its nature. You tell me what that virus does.
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4/27/2014 12:00:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:30:07 PM, phantom wrote:
At 4/26/2014 9:46:29 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 12:37:38 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
Self-explanatory. Although I would add that this also includes philosophy debates on DDO you would like to personally have with others.

Rational_Thinker vs Mikal on the existence of God. Seriously, if you're reading this RT, you should consider debating Mikal or bluesteel or Roy Latham on gods existence.

Unitedandy is the best atheist debater here.

Yeah, a RT Unitedandy debate is a religion debate I would actually read
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4/27/2014 12:21:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 11:46:11 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 4/26/2014 11:42:30 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 4/26/2014 12:37:38 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
Self-explanatory. Although I would add that this also includes philosophy debates on DDO you would like to personally have with others.

Myself vs Dream or Zmike

Topic Homosexual acts are immoral (using natural theology to justify it)

SO what was the "purpose" of the ebola virus mike ?, you never did get back to me on that.

I am coming..........

The purpose of a is whatever it is directed towards by its nature. You tell me what that virus does.

I don't know what you mean when you say something is "directed towards by it's nature".

The effect of the ebola virus, or at least one of it's effects is dead kiddies in africa.

Is an effect of X the same as it's "directed towards by nature" ? if yes then that would be my answer.

If no, then you would have to explain what the hell you mean by directed towards nature vs effect/outcome.
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