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zmikecuber
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4/28/2014 10:59:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Just watched the Boondock Saints movies. Yeah, they were totally guy movies but I thought they were pretty cool. Especially since they reminded me of some Irish guys I know.

Anyhow, do you guys think that vigilantism is morally acceptable?
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4/28/2014 11:22:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/28/2014 10:59:35 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Just watched the Boondock Saints movies. Yeah, they were totally guy movies but I thought they were pretty cool. Especially since they reminded me of some Irish guys I know.

Anyhow, do you guys think that vigilantism is morally acceptable?

Morally, yes . I'm pretty utilitarian/consequentialist and vigilantism fits the bill. Ideally, it would provide a greater benefit to more people as crime is being taken off the streets, but then the practical and legal issues it would raise would be monumental, as well as the likely increase in vigilante-gangs/orders which will only have negative repercussions. Practically I would be against it. But the moral idea of vigilantism, I'm for.
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Objectivity
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4/28/2014 11:44:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/28/2014 10:59:35 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Just watched the Boondock Saints movies. Yeah, they were totally guy movies but I thought they were pretty cool. Especially since they reminded me of some Irish guys I know.

Anyhow, do you guys think that vigilantism is morally acceptable?

I suppose it would depend on the situation, but overall probably not. Morals are a subjective thing, violating social contract by imposing your own morals on others and denying people vital things to our country like due process would, at the end of the day do more harm than good, since these rights and their preservation are more important than catching a few extra criminals.
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4/28/2014 11:48:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/28/2014 11:44:10 AM, Objectivity wrote:
At 4/28/2014 10:59:35 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Just watched the Boondock Saints movies. Yeah, they were totally guy movies but I thought they were pretty cool. Especially since they reminded me of some Irish guys I know.

Anyhow, do you guys think that vigilantism is morally acceptable?

I suppose it would depend on the situation, but overall probably not. Morals are a subjective thing, violating social contract by imposing your own morals on others and denying people vital things to our country like due process would, at the end of the day do more harm than good, since these rights and their preservation are more important than catching a few extra criminals.

But surely we do that anyway by having the idea of "crime"? I don't see how vigilantism denies the rights and is enforcing morality on anyone but the criminals. And the idea of law against an action does that anyway.
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4/28/2014 12:20:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Vigilantism only works if it's "perfect" vigilantism. As soon as the vigilante does anything to someone who is not indisputably guilty, they have committed a moral wrong, and can't get out of it through the "ignorance" exemption, as they know there is a system in place to address guilt, they chose to go outside of it knowing they're imperfect.

The reason we have the protections that we have are because we recognize no system is perfect, and those protecctions are to ensure that the innocent are not punished as much as possible.
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4/28/2014 3:07:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/28/2014 11:48:00 AM, CJKAllstar wrote:
At 4/28/2014 11:44:10 AM, Objectivity wrote:
At 4/28/2014 10:59:35 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Just watched the Boondock Saints movies. Yeah, they were totally guy movies but I thought they were pretty cool. Especially since they reminded me of some Irish guys I know.

Anyhow, do you guys think that vigilantism is morally acceptable?

I suppose it would depend on the situation, but overall probably not. Morals are a subjective thing, violating social contract by imposing your own morals on others and denying people vital things to our country like due process would, at the end of the day do more harm than good, since these rights and their preservation are more important than catching a few extra criminals.

But surely we do that anyway by having the idea of "crime"?

Do what? Impose subjective morality on others? I agree, but I'm saying at least if we condemn vigilantism and uphold the rule of law, we are imposing it through the will of the majority and allowing people due process rights, both vital parts of the american social contract.

I don't see how vigilantism denies the rights and is enforcing morality on anyone but the criminals. And the idea of law against an action does that anyway.

Define vigilantism for a more clear framework, please.
Juan_Pablo
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4/28/2014 3:17:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
No. I watched Boondock Saints some years ago. It was a very violent movie and I certainly wouldn't call the Protagonist "Saints". They were criminals pure and simple.

They were not saint-like except that they prayed and acknowledge God regularly. In my view they behaved just as badly as terrorists. I haven't seen the sequel.
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5/2/2014 6:47:39 AM
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At 4/28/2014 10:59:35 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Just watched the Boondock Saints movies. Yeah, they were totally guy movies but I thought they were pretty cool. Especially since they reminded me of some Irish guys I know.

Anyhow, do you guys think that vigilantism is morally acceptable?

I can't really condemn some one who would contemplate vigilantism or act in such a way since I reserve the right for myself to take such action, and you know according to the thou shalt not be a hypocrite rule that puts me in a bind.
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