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zmikecuber
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9/22/2014 10:25:05 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Anybody have any ideas for the arguments of an afterlife?

It seems to me that most arguments would have to do with a God... thoughts?
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9/22/2014 10:41:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/22/2014 10:25:05 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Anybody have any ideas for the arguments of an afterlife?

It seems to me that most arguments would have to do with a God... thoughts?

I am guessing the following categories:

1. Argument for the existence of an eternal soul (fungability arguments)
2. Theodicies to PoE (You need to establish a benevolent God's existence first though)
3. Some form of idealism argument when the mind dies (non-reducability, or something of the kind)

At least that's how I would go about it.
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9/22/2014 10:55:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/22/2014 10:41:19 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 9/22/2014 10:25:05 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Anybody have any ideas for the arguments of an afterlife?

It seems to me that most arguments would have to do with a God... thoughts?

I am guessing the following categories:

1. Argument for the existence of an eternal soul (fungability arguments)
2. Theodicies to PoE (You need to establish a benevolent God's existence first though)
3. Some form of idealism argument when the mind dies (non-reducability, or something of the kind)

At least that's how I would go about it.

That's what I was thinking as well. However, I don't see nearly as many debates on this topic as I do about the existence of God, and other controversial metaphysical positions. I suppose it's because an afterlife is largely parasitic upon these other statements, which are highly debatable.
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9/22/2014 10:59:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/22/2014 10:25:05 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Anybody have any ideas for the arguments of an afterlife?

It seems to me that most arguments would have to do with a God... thoughts?

Since reality is self-contained, it must make and recognize its own choice to exist. Accordingly, it must self-select from an internally generated set of potentials or "possible futures". So long as our actions are in line with teleology (the will of God), when we die, we will be retracted upward along the mapping that created us and have the chance to reunite with God and thus participate in system timelessness.
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9/22/2014 10:59:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Going off of what Envisage said, I think that the argument for the soul would be one of the stronger arguments for an afterlife. Here's an interesting argument:

https://www.youtube.com...
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9/22/2014 11:00:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/22/2014 10:59:10 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 9/22/2014 10:25:05 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Anybody have any ideas for the arguments of an afterlife?

It seems to me that most arguments would have to do with a God... thoughts?

Since reality is self-contained, it must make and recognize its own choice to exist. Accordingly, it must self-select from an internally generated set of potentials or "possible futures". So long as our actions are in line with teleology (the will of God), when we die, we will be retracted upward along the mapping that created us and have the chance to reunite with God and thus participate in system timelessness.

Define:

Self-contained
Self-select
internally generated set of potentials
mapping
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9/22/2014 11:08:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/22/2014 11:00:39 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 9/22/2014 10:59:10 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 9/22/2014 10:25:05 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Anybody have any ideas for the arguments of an afterlife?

It seems to me that most arguments would have to do with a God... thoughts?

Since reality is self-contained, it must make and recognize its own choice to exist. Accordingly, it must self-select from an internally generated set of potentials or "possible futures". So long as our actions are in line with teleology (the will of God), when we die, we will be retracted upward along the mapping that created us and have the chance to reunite with God and thus participate in system timelessness.

Define:

Self-contained

Everything relevant to reality (God) is part of reality...that is, reality relies on no external structure in order to define and maintain its existence.

Self-select

This means that reality causes itself to adopt a configuration based on its self-defined utility i.e. what should be preserved.

internally generated set of potentials

A set of self-defined possible states that reality could choose to become.

mapping

When God projects himself into localized phenomena, such that God's structure distributes over said phenomena.
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9/22/2014 11:58:04 AM
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I once debated Spinko on the question. A really interesting, if problematic, debate. http://www.debate.org...
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9/23/2014 2:11:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/22/2014 11:58:04 AM, thett3 wrote:
I once debated Spinko on the question. A really interesting, if problematic, debate. http://www.debate.org...

Aha. I was wondering if someone would bring up NDEs as an argument.
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9/23/2014 8:16:08 PM
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You could consider astral projection experiences as anecdotal evidence form people who had engaged in projection, but many skeptics dismiss these accounts as hallucinations. It's hard to tell if they are hallucinations or not though since many of the people who actually do project claim that it is spiritual and very real.
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9/23/2014 10:22:37 PM
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At 9/22/2014 10:25:05 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Anybody have any ideas for the arguments of an afterlife?

It seems to me that most arguments would have to do with a God... thoughts?

I don"t think "most" arguments would have to do with a God because belief in a God is not nearly as universal as belief in an afterlife. Almost all known cultures have held some kind of belief in an afterlife, but that just isn"t the case with belief in a God. relevant examples would be the doctrines of Karma and reincarnation found in Buddhism, Jainism, and varieties of Hinduism that emphasize an impersonal Absolute rather than a God.

It seems to me that most religious arguments would have to do with belief in a physically transcendent moral order since that seems to be what they have in common.

Outside of religious considerations, I think most arguments will come down to metaphysical views concerning the nature of the mind / body problem, in general with dualism opposing materialism.
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9/25/2014 2:39:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/22/2014 10:25:05 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Anybody have any ideas for the arguments of an afterlife?

It seems to me that most arguments would have to do with a God... thoughts?

I will try thinking outside the box here.......

Infinite probability = this has happened before this will happen again ergo you will exist at some other point too

Thinking something like the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. All things that can happen will happen/parallel universes
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