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12/15/2014 7:40:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 7:38:26 PM, Sargon wrote:
Discuss.

First we must establish a baseline. "Clever compared to who?"
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

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12/15/2014 9:27:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 7:38:26 PM, Sargon wrote:
Discuss.

The question you should be asking is "why am I so narcissistic?"
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12/16/2014 5:11:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Actually, I understand you are a scientifically minded individual. I've actually read some of your material that you write. If that is in fact, you...
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12/16/2014 9:41:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/16/2014 5:17:48 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Nevermind, its not you. I have no idea who you are.

I see you had a sex change.
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12/17/2014 1:30:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/16/2014 9:41:45 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 12/16/2014 5:17:48 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Nevermind, its not you. I have no idea who you are.

I see you had a sex change.

Indeed. After being gone 6 months, I couldn't resist messing up all my personal details. XD
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12/17/2014 10:02:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/17/2014 1:30:18 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 12/16/2014 9:41:45 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 12/16/2014 5:17:48 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Nevermind, its not you. I have no idea who you are.

I see you had a sex change.

Indeed. After being gone 6 months, I couldn't resist messing up all my private areas. XD

Fix'd
"Delete your fvcking sig" -1hard

"primal man had the habit, when he came into contact with fire, of satisfying the infantile desire connected with it, by putting it out with a stream of his urine... Putting out the fire by micturating was therefore a kind of sexual act with a male, an enjoyment of sexual potency in a homosexual competition."
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12/17/2014 6:57:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/17/2014 10:02:09 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 12/17/2014 1:30:18 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 12/16/2014 9:41:45 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 12/16/2014 5:17:48 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Nevermind, its not you. I have no idea who you are.

I see you had a sex change.

Indeed. After being gone 6 months, I couldn't resist messing up all my private areas. XD

Fix'd

lol, that made my day.
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12/19/2014 3:03:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2014 10:34:14 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 12/15/2014 7:38:26 PM, Sargon wrote:
Discuss.

You're not, but it's easy to convince yourself when you cheat.

That doesn't make any sense. Cheating implies a conscious intent to break the rules. Therefore, if I am a cheater, then I am consciously aware of the fact that I am a cheater. If this is the case, then I would know that my debate record is fraudelent, and I would therefore not be able to convince myself that I am clever.

However, I still find your post to be very useful. I've been looking for a research topic, and I think it would be interesting to find an equation for determing the intensity of your jealousy towards me. I'll update you if I make any progress, which I probably won't, seeing as I'm a big fraud and all.
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12/19/2014 3:10:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/19/2014 3:03:44 PM, SargonOfAkkad wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:34:14 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 12/15/2014 7:38:26 PM, Sargon wrote:
Discuss.

You're not, but it's easy to convince yourself when you cheat.

That doesn't make any sense. Cheating implies a conscious intent to break the rules. Therefore, if I am a cheater, then I am consciously aware of the fact that I am a cheater. If this is the case, then I would know that my debate record is fraudelent, and I would therefore not be able to convince myself that I am clever.

However, I still find your post to be very useful. I've been looking for a research topic, and I think it would be interesting to find an equation for determing the intensity of your jealousy towards me. I'll update you if I make any progress, which I probably won't, seeing as I'm a big fraud and all.

If you're a cheater, then you're a liar, which means that you would claim that you're clever whether or not you're aware of the fact that you're not, given the tacit purpose of cheating is to deceive people into thinking you're more clever than you are. Given an Occam approach to the question of whether or not you're clever, it stands to reason that you're more likely a cheater than someone who made this thread out of candor, as you obviously have a vested interest in being perceived as clever by others, and if you were actually clever, then others would simply acknowledge it rather than require you to inform them that you are. Clever simply implies a minor superlative, and something that's superlative stands out, rendering it obvious, so no one would need to be told, nor would they need a prompt to discuss it, if they were so inclined.

I would imagine that a clever person would know that.
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12/19/2014 3:12:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/19/2014 3:10:00 PM, Such wrote:
At 12/19/2014 3:03:44 PM, SargonOfAkkad wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:34:14 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 12/15/2014 7:38:26 PM, Sargon wrote:
Discuss.

You're not, but it's easy to convince yourself when you cheat.

That doesn't make any sense. Cheating implies a conscious intent to break the rules. Therefore, if I am a cheater, then I am consciously aware of the fact that I am a cheater. If this is the case, then I would know that my debate record is fraudelent, and I would therefore not be able to convince myself that I am clever.

However, I still find your post to be very useful. I've been looking for a research topic, and I think it would be interesting to find an equation for determing the intensity of your jealousy towards me. I'll update you if I make any progress, which I probably won't, seeing as I'm a big fraud and all.

If you're a cheater, then you're a liar, which means that you would claim that you're clever whether or not you're aware of the fact that you're not, given the tacit purpose of cheating is to deceive people into thinking you're more clever than you are. Given an Occam approach to the question of whether or not you're clever, it stands to reason that you're more likely a cheater than someone who made this thread out of candor, as you obviously have a vested interest in being perceived as clever by others, and if you were actually clever, then others would simply acknowledge it rather than require you to inform them that you are. Clever simply implies a minor superlative, and something that's superlative stands out, rendering it obvious, so no one would need to be told, nor would they need a prompt to discuss it, if they were so inclined.

I would imagine that a clever person would know that.

Or, perhaps, the clever person has read Nietzsche's Ecce Homo.
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12/19/2014 3:19:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/19/2014 3:12:47 PM, SargonOfAkkad wrote:
At 12/19/2014 3:10:00 PM, Such wrote:
At 12/19/2014 3:03:44 PM, SargonOfAkkad wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:34:14 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 12/15/2014 7:38:26 PM, Sargon wrote:
Discuss.

You're not, but it's easy to convince yourself when you cheat.

That doesn't make any sense. Cheating implies a conscious intent to break the rules. Therefore, if I am a cheater, then I am consciously aware of the fact that I am a cheater. If this is the case, then I would know that my debate record is fraudelent, and I would therefore not be able to convince myself that I am clever.

However, I still find your post to be very useful. I've been looking for a research topic, and I think it would be interesting to find an equation for determing the intensity of your jealousy towards me. I'll update you if I make any progress, which I probably won't, seeing as I'm a big fraud and all.

If you're a cheater, then you're a liar, which means that you would claim that you're clever whether or not you're aware of the fact that you're not, given the tacit purpose of cheating is to deceive people into thinking you're more clever than you are. Given an Occam approach to the question of whether or not you're clever, it stands to reason that you're more likely a cheater than someone who made this thread out of candor, as you obviously have a vested interest in being perceived as clever by others, and if you were actually clever, then others would simply acknowledge it rather than require you to inform them that you are. Clever simply implies a minor superlative, and something that's superlative stands out, rendering it obvious, so no one would need to be told, nor would they need a prompt to discuss it, if they were so inclined.

I would imagine that a clever person would know that.

Or, perhaps, the clever person has read Nietzsche's Ecce Homo.

If that were the context of your post, you wouldn't still be calling yourself clever, since it casts the question in an entirely new light.

To be abstruse about an already esoteric subject isn't clever. It doesn't belie the person doing it as being clever, but it does beg the question as to whether that person is insecure enough to seem it by being esoterically abstruse.

But, let's give you the benefit of the doubt, and say that this thread is about a chapter in that book. What about it? I'm reading up on it, and it seems to have some parallel to The Trial of Socrates, which I have read. If that's the case, then it likely has something to do with Nietzsche considering himself a person who seeks knowledge by illuminating truth through the knowledge of others, am I right?

I wouldn't know either way, so you're going to need to give us more on the subject, if that's what you're interested in discussing.
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12/19/2014 3:31:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/19/2014 3:19:58 PM, Such wrote:
At 12/19/2014 3:12:47 PM, SargonOfAkkad wrote:
At 12/19/2014 3:10:00 PM, Such wrote:
At 12/19/2014 3:03:44 PM, SargonOfAkkad wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:34:14 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 12/15/2014 7:38:26 PM, Sargon wrote:
Discuss.

You're not, but it's easy to convince yourself when you cheat.

That doesn't make any sense. Cheating implies a conscious intent to break the rules. Therefore, if I am a cheater, then I am consciously aware of the fact that I am a cheater. If this is the case, then I would know that my debate record is fraudelent, and I would therefore not be able to convince myself that I am clever.

However, I still find your post to be very useful. I've been looking for a research topic, and I think it would be interesting to find an equation for determing the intensity of your jealousy towards me. I'll update you if I make any progress, which I probably won't, seeing as I'm a big fraud and all.

If you're a cheater, then you're a liar, which means that you would claim that you're clever whether or not you're aware of the fact that you're not, given the tacit purpose of cheating is to deceive people into thinking you're more clever than you are. Given an Occam approach to the question of whether or not you're clever, it stands to reason that you're more likely a cheater than someone who made this thread out of candor, as you obviously have a vested interest in being perceived as clever by others, and if you were actually clever, then others would simply acknowledge it rather than require you to inform them that you are. Clever simply implies a minor superlative, and something that's superlative stands out, rendering it obvious, so no one would need to be told, nor would they need a prompt to discuss it, if they were so inclined.

I would imagine that a clever person would know that.

Or, perhaps, the clever person has read Nietzsche's Ecce Homo.

If that were the context of your post, you wouldn't still be calling yourself clever, since it casts the question in an entirely new light.

To be abstruse about an already esoteric subject isn't clever. It doesn't belie the person doing it as being clever, but it does beg the question as to whether that person is insecure enough to seem it by being esoterically abstruse.

But, let's give you the benefit of the doubt, and say that this thread is about a chapter in that book. What about it? I'm reading up on it, and it seems to have some parallel to The Trial of Socrates, which I have read. If that's the case, then it likely has something to do with Nietzsche considering himself a person who seeks knowledge by illuminating truth through the knowledge of others, am I right?

I wouldn't know either way, so you're going to need to give us more on the subject, if that's what you're interested in discussing.

I posted three OP's lifted from Nietzche's Ecce Homo with humorous intent. I reasoned that anybody who is well-read on philosophy would understand that I am not claiming to be clever (nor "destiny', as another OP states), but would "get the joke", so to speak, and realize that it's all just a Nietzsche reference. That's all there is to this OP. Only this, and nothing more.
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12/19/2014 4:04:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/19/2014 3:31:57 PM, SargonOfAkkad wrote:

I posted three OP's lifted from Nietzche's Ecce Homo with humorous intent. I reasoned that anybody who is well-read on philosophy would understand that I am not claiming to be clever (nor "destiny', as another OP states), but would "get the joke", so to speak, and realize that it's all just a Nietzsche reference. That's all there is to this OP. Only this, and nothing more.

You made a whole series of threads, which is tantamount to starting a series of conversations, in the hopes of amusing people who are "well-read on philosophy?" You realize the nature of these threads, right? "Why am I destiny?" isn't something that would garner much attention, because it just sounds stupid, but "why am I so clever?" sounds haughty, so it would, of course, garner the attention that it did.

That means that all of your other little "joke threads" will be buried, leaving only this one, and that's why this one is the only one I saw.

So, even if I had read that book, I probably wouldn't have gotten the reference. Just saying.

But, what's truly a shame is that you don't even want to discuss that book, as I gave you the opportunity.

You just want to seem clever to people who are knowledgeable about philosophy.

How quaintly ironic.
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12/19/2014 6:57:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 7:38:26 PM, Sargon wrote:
Discuss.

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12/19/2014 11:33:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/19/2014 3:03:44 PM, SargonOfAkkad wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:34:14 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 12/15/2014 7:38:26 PM, Sargon wrote:
Discuss.

You're not, but it's easy to convince yourself when you cheat.

That doesn't make any sense. Cheating implies a conscious intent to break the rules. Therefore, if I am a cheater, then I am consciously aware of the fact that I am a cheater. If this is the case, then I would know that my debate record is fraudelent, and I would therefore not be able to convince myself that I am clever.


It doesn't have to make sense. Obviously delusions of grandeur are delusional and not rational.
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12/20/2014 2:59:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/19/2014 4:04:54 PM, Such wrote:
At 12/19/2014 3:31:57 PM, SargonOfAkkad wrote:

I posted three OP's lifted from Nietzche's Ecce Homo with humorous intent. I reasoned that anybody who is well-read on philosophy would understand that I am not claiming to be clever (nor "destiny', as another OP states), but would "get the joke", so to speak, and realize that it's all just a Nietzsche reference. That's all there is to this OP. Only this, and nothing more.

You made a whole series of threads, which is tantamount to starting a series of conversations, in the hopes of amusing people who are "well-read on philosophy?" You realize the nature of these threads, right? "Why am I destiny?" isn't something that would garner much attention, because it just sounds stupid, but "why am I so clever?" sounds haughty, so it would, of course, garner the attention that it did.

That means that all of your other little "joke threads" will be buried, leaving only this one, and that's why this one is the only one I saw.

So, even if I had read that book, I probably wouldn't have gotten the reference. Just saying.

But, what's truly a shame is that you don't even want to discuss that book, as I gave you the opportunity.

You just want to seem clever to people who are knowledgeable about philosophy.

How quaintly ironic.

Actually, I am an avid Nietzsche reader and I noticed all the references to Nietzsche's Ecce Homo--you're right by the way, Nietzsche intended it to be, in somre respects, a parallel of Plato's Apology, but also of the Trial of Christ--that aside, you're right, I went into each forum expecting to see a discussion of Nietzsche's philosophy, or even of his writing style, and I searched in vain--I was waiting for echoes of the OP, but I didn't even hear any praise.
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12/20/2014 5:07:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 9:27:06 PM, phiLockeraptor wrote:
At 12/15/2014 7:38:26 PM, Sargon wrote:
Discuss.

The question you should be asking is "why am I so narcissistic?"

Did anyone else thought this was gonna be about Nietzsche and Ecce Homo. 0.0
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12/20/2014 1:23:11 PM
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At 12/20/2014 5:07:52 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/15/2014 9:27:06 PM, phiLockeraptor wrote:
At 12/15/2014 7:38:26 PM, Sargon wrote:
Discuss.

The question you should be asking is "why am I so narcissistic?"

Did anyone else thought this was gonna be about Nietzsche and Ecce Homo. 0.0

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12/20/2014 1:56:11 PM
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I enjoyed reading Beyond Good and Evil, but only for its style. I don't think Nietzsche was actually a very good philosopher... he's certainly not on par with Kant or Hume. I think he's only popular because of his poetic writing style, not because his ideas are profound or original. I mean, his most famous statement -"God is Dead" - is literally just the idea that without God, we no longer have a basis for our morals, and thus nihilism is inevitable. Is that supposed to be profound?
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12/20/2014 8:12:41 PM
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At 12/20/2014 1:56:11 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
I enjoyed reading Beyond Good and Evil, but only for its style. I don't think Nietzsche was actually a very good philosopher... he's certainly not on par with Kant or Hume. I think he's only popular because of his poetic writing style, not because his ideas are profound or original. I mean, his most famous statement -"God is Dead" - is literally just the idea that without God, we no longer have a basis for our morals, and thus nihilism is inevitable. Is that supposed to be profound?

I agree with part of what you said, I think that the Nietzsche that most people like is not very profound. The whole "God is Dead" bit is not very profound, it is the discussion and the ideas about what to do about it that are interesting. The eternal recurrence is also quite interesting, though I am not sure if it is "profound." Anyway, I don't think that the concept "profound" is very useful, to me it has always seemed to be too vague a term.

The best things of Nietzsche are his views on language--some of which anticipated Wittgenstein--his views on emotion (which anticipated the James-Lange theory of emotions) and his views on the origin of morality, which were a game changer. His critique of Kant and other philosophers is certainly valuable though I wouldn't say it is the last word. I actually would put him on par with Kant and Hume, he was a pretty good philosopher, and he was able to express his ideas in a very clear manner--like Wittgenstein and Ayer--unlike Kant who I often suspects appears "profound" because his style is so obtuse.
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12/21/2014 12:23:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/19/2014 3:03:44 PM, SargonOfAkkad wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:34:14 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 12/15/2014 7:38:26 PM, Sargon wrote:
Discuss.

You're not, but it's easy to convince yourself when you cheat.

That doesn't make any sense. Cheating implies a conscious intent to break the rules. Therefore, if I am a cheater, then I am consciously aware of the fact that I am a cheater. If this is the case, then I would know that my debate record is fraudelent, and I would therefore not be able to convince myself that I am clever.

However, I still find your post to be very useful. I've been looking for a research topic, and I think it would be interesting to find an equation for determing the intensity of your jealousy towards me. I'll update you if I make any progress, which I probably won't, seeing as I'm a big fraud and all.

It's not jealousy, Rather I actually truly think you manipulated the vote on your debate between you and Miles. therefore no jealousy is involved here, and what do I truly have to be jealous of? you hold nothing of value to me, Should I be jealous that you're an atheist? Give me a break. Should I be jealous that you have not a single loss in 22 debates. lol grow up,

No, I just think that you have a over inflated ego even after trying to get to know you personally I found you ignorant and arrogant, I think it's so over inflated that you would go as far as manipulating votes to convince yourself you are clever, weather you are aware of this or not, makes no odds, as you could also be deluded, which wouldn't be a surprising trait.
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12/22/2014 6:14:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/16/2014 2:31:10 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why'd sargon close his account?

He wasn't clever enough to be on DDO?
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

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12/24/2014 7:21:49 PM
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This is because Sargon simply isn't human. Sargon's name isn't because of Sargon of Akkad like he wants us to think, but because he belongs to a race of beings that have transcended material form. Sargon's species naturally evolved higher intelligence. In fact, I believe Sargon lost a majority of his intellect when he was supposedly destroyed on the USS Enterprise. Sargon instead was transported to 21rst century earth where he found a young boy to posses.

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12/24/2014 7:44:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I also found a picture of Sargon before posting this thread

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