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Environmental Nihilism

gingerbread-man
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1/27/2015 5:37:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Considering that 99.9 per cent of all the animals that have ever lived are now extinct, should we care so much about a few cuddly bears and frogs if over a little bit of time others will fill the niche that they leave behind?

Also, ignoring the fact that we may need some for our own survival - why do we care so much when historically they are all doomed anyway?
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1/27/2015 8:03:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/27/2015 5:37:57 AM, gingerbread-man wrote:
Considering that 99.9 per cent of all the animals that have ever lived are now extinct, should we care so much about a few cuddly bears and frogs if over a little bit of time others will fill the niche that they leave behind?

Also, ignoring the fact that we may need some for our own survival - why do we care so much when historically they are all doomed anyway?

I don't see how it matters why we care so much. We just do. That's enough to function.
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1/27/2015 8:16:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/27/2015 5:37:57 AM, gingerbread-man wrote:
Considering that 99.9 per cent of all the animals that have ever lived are now extinct, should we care so much about a few cuddly bears and frogs if over a little bit of time others will fill the niche that they leave behind?

Also, ignoring the fact that we may need some for our own survival - why do we care so much when historically they are all doomed anyway?

I have my gripes with the conservation movement. Personally, I think we should let the pandas go extinct and redirect all that funding to saving beetles.
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1/27/2015 9:02:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/27/2015 5:37:57 AM, gingerbread-man wrote:
Considering that 99.9 per cent of all the animals that have ever lived are now extinct, should we care so much about a few cuddly bears and frogs if over a little bit of time others will fill the niche that they leave behind?

Also, ignoring the fact that we may need some for our own survival - why do we care so much when historically they are all doomed anyway?

Ignoring the fact that environmental stability is good for our chances of survival, is, for me at least, completely ignoring the answer to your question.
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1/27/2015 9:53:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/27/2015 8:16:32 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/27/2015 5:37:57 AM, gingerbread-man wrote:
Considering that 99.9 per cent of all the animals that have ever lived are now extinct, should we care so much about a few cuddly bears and frogs if over a little bit of time others will fill the niche that they leave behind?

Also, ignoring the fact that we may need some for our own survival - why do we care so much when historically they are all doomed anyway?

I have my gripes with the conservation movement. Personally, I think we should let the pandas go extinct and redirect all that funding to saving beetles.

Now that's what I'm talking about....

https://www.youtube.com...
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1/27/2015 9:58:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/27/2015 9:02:10 PM, MyDinosaurHands wrote:
At 1/27/2015 5:37:57 AM, gingerbread-man wrote:
Considering that 99.9 per cent of all the animals that have ever lived are now extinct, should we care so much about a few cuddly bears and frogs if over a little bit of time others will fill the niche that they leave behind?

Also, ignoring the fact that we may need some for our own survival - why do we care so much when historically they are all doomed anyway?

Ignoring the fact that environmental stability is good for our chances of survival, is, for me at least, completely ignoring the answer to your question.

But is the plight of pandas really going to effect anyone? I mean there will be a little more bamboo to keep under control - but other than that the greatest loss would be the world's cute quotient
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1/27/2015 9:59:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/27/2015 8:01:02 PM, Smithereens wrote:
da heck is with all the nihilism.

Its probably not really nihilism, the phrase just sounded "catchy" and I wasn't really sure which forum area to put it in.
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1/27/2015 10:18:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/27/2015 9:53:15 PM, gingerbread-man wrote:
At 1/27/2015 8:16:32 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/27/2015 5:37:57 AM, gingerbread-man wrote:
Considering that 99.9 per cent of all the animals that have ever lived are now extinct, should we care so much about a few cuddly bears and frogs if over a little bit of time others will fill the niche that they leave behind?

Also, ignoring the fact that we may need some for our own survival - why do we care so much when historically they are all doomed anyway?

I have my gripes with the conservation movement. Personally, I think we should let the pandas go extinct and redirect all that funding to saving beetles.

Now that's what I'm talking about....

https://www.youtube.com...

Beetles are pretty badass, This one hunts and kills scorpions in the wild.

So it's basically natural pest control. That's beetles: 1, pandas: 0.

And there's also the fact that an estimated 60% of beetle species haven't even been described yet, and due to habitat destruction we may never even know that many of them even existed. But go ahead and keep spending millions on mood lighting for Ling Ling.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -