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To theists who are pro-life (if applicable)

SNP1
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2/23/2015 11:09:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
How do you justify your pro-life stance with the following:
P1) The greatest possible thing is to go to heaven.
P2) All aborted fetuses go to heaven.
C) The greatest possible thing for a fetus is to get aborted.

Do you object to either of the 2 premises?
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Mhykiel
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2/23/2015 8:16:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/23/2015 11:09:07 AM, SNP1 wrote:
How do you justify your pro-life stance with the following:
P1) The greatest possible thing is to go to heaven.
P2) All aborted fetuses go to heaven.
C) The greatest possible thing for a fetus is to get aborted.

Do you object to either of the 2 premises?

not all theist would agree with p1. Christians have a tenet that good works and loving deeds are treasures that accumulate in heaven. That someone can be least in heaven. So the greatest possible thing would be to go to heaven and have many treasures from a life of pious service.

I think many would disagree with p2. In that whether unborn go to heaven or not is a hotly debated topic. Some say they are not living souls till they breath air. Some say they have not accepted salvation and guilty of sin from the flesh.

I personally never understood why anyone thinks unborn or babies are "innocent"? As in being sinless. I think they are non-consensual but totally controlled by the flesh. You can see baby twins get jealous when they see their twin suckling from the other nipple.

I think it would be just as consistent for someone to believe all babies go to hell.

Either way the best option for us would be to have life grow and the possibilities come to fruition.
zmikecuber
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2/24/2015 6:17:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/23/2015 11:09:07 AM, SNP1 wrote:
How do you justify your pro-life stance with the following:
P1) The greatest possible thing is to go to heaven.
P2) All aborted fetuses go to heaven.
C) The greatest possible thing for a fetus is to get aborted.

Do you object to either of the 2 premises?

That's not a valid syllogism.

Abortion causes a fetus to go to heaven. A causes B, does not mean A is B.
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2/24/2015 6:24:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/23/2015 11:09:07 AM, SNP1 wrote:
How do you justify your pro-life stance with the following:
P1) The greatest possible thing is to go to heaven.
P2) All aborted fetuses go to heaven.
C) The greatest possible thing for a fetus is to get aborted.

Do you object to either of the 2 premises?

You have to defend the premise that since some action, call it X, causes something good, call it G. Then X is automatically good. I don't see how this works unless you assume utilitarianism. And most Christians don't.

Thus, while it is good for a fetus to go to heaven, a premature death (I mean being murdered) is not a good thing.

Christians often believe God can bring good about from evil. Does that mean evil is a good thing? Only if you assume utilitarianism, which most Christians hold as a contemptible moral philosophy.
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Envisage
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2/24/2015 6:30:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/23/2015 11:09:07 AM, SNP1 wrote:
How do you justify your pro-life stance with the following:
P1) The greatest possible thing is to go to heaven.
P2) All aborted fetuses go to heaven.
C) The greatest possible thing for a fetus is to get aborted.

Do you object to either of the 2 premises?

One can accept both premises and not be committed to accepting the conclusion, since the syllogism isn't logically valid in structure. I tried rewriting it a few ways on paper to make it valid but they all r equire additional premises,miss like squishing a round peg in a square hole. You need an adapter for the job.
Varrack
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2/24/2015 6:30:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/23/2015 11:09:07 AM, SNP1 wrote:
How do you justify your pro-life stance with the following:
P1) The greatest possible thing is to go to heaven.
P2) All aborted fetuses go to heaven.
C) The greatest possible thing for a fetus is to get aborted.

Do you object to either of the 2 premises?

The fetus can still go to heaven without being aborted. By your logic, if I want my friend to go to heaven, I should murder him.
SNP1
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2/24/2015 6:49:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/24/2015 6:30:14 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 2/23/2015 11:09:07 AM, SNP1 wrote:
How do you justify your pro-life stance with the following:
P1) The greatest possible thing is to go to heaven.
P2) All aborted fetuses go to heaven.
C) The greatest possible thing for a fetus is to get aborted.

Do you object to either of the 2 premises?

One can accept both premises and not be committed to accepting the conclusion, since the syllogism isn't logically valid in structure. I tried rewriting it a few ways on paper to make it valid but they all r equire additional premises,miss like squishing a round peg in a square hole. You need an adapter for the job.

Really? Isn't it in the structure
A=B
B=C
A=C
?
The greatest thing (A) is to go to heaven (B)
All aborted fetuses (C) go to heaven (B)
The greatest thing (A) for a fetus is to be aborted (C)

Anyways, I literally took this argument from a friend when I posted it.
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Moroni23
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3/5/2015 5:59:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/23/2015 11:09:07 AM, SNP1 wrote:
How do you justify your pro-life stance with the following:
P1) The greatest possible thing is to go to heaven.
P2) All aborted fetuses go to heaven.
C) The greatest possible thing for a fetus is to get aborted.

Do you object to either of the 2 premises?

I do not object to either of those points. But it is not so much the fetus as the person killing the fetus. Murder is the second absolute worst sin you can commit. There are some scriptures in the bible that suggest that murder is actually outside the scope of the atonment of Jesus Christ. The point being that even though the young pregnant and hormonal Mom might not understand what she is doing, from a Theists point of view she is commiting Murder and is condeming herself to hell. Most Theists feel a moral obligation to try and stop that from happening.

Your question might as well be "Why is it not ok to kill a Christain? They believe that heaven is the ultimate and greatest goal. And I am helping them achieve that goal."

Also even though it is the ultimate goal. An existence on this earth is one of the greatest gifts God has given us and you are robbing the child of that right.

Just to give you my point of view as a pro-life Theist.