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3/5/2015 1:45:28 AM
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Panpsychism is the belief that all things have a will, soul, mind, and/or consciousness. What are your thoughts on this idea?

For more info, see: http://en.wikipedia.org... and http://plato.stanford.edu...
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3/5/2015 2:36:21 AM
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At 3/5/2015 1:45:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Panpsychism is the belief that all things have a will, soul, mind, and/or consciousness. What are your thoughts on this idea?

For more info, see: http://en.wikipedia.org... and http://plato.stanford.edu...

It has a degree of explanatory power, and that our current configuration is an exaggeration of consciousness being a fundamental part of things. Thus, there is no dichotimy of "has consciousness" and "doesn't have consciousness", which is a problem if you accept that consciousness works like that.

So, I am sympathetic to the idea that consciousness as *we* have it is emergent and incremental, I am not persuaded that panpsychism goes about it in the correct manner however.
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3/5/2015 2:54:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/5/2015 1:45:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Panpsychism is the belief that all things have a will, soul, mind, and/or consciousness. What are your thoughts on this idea?

For more info, see: http://en.wikipedia.org... and http://plato.stanford.edu...

It's hard to say that such a belief is valid and/or sound since it's impossible to truly experience life as any kind of object other than ourselves - human. With that said, I subscribe to a belief somewhat similar, but much more focused in scope. I believe that plants have consciousness, will, and mind. I think consciousness and mind go hand in hand, so essentially I believe that plants have both a consciousness and a will.

I've been following developments related to this belief of mine for a few years now, and it seems like the scientific community is making some decent strides in confirming this theory.

http://www.pri.org...
http://www.scientificamerican.com...
https://www.youtube.com...

The last link, a youtube video, seems iffy at first, but if you give it a chance it has some compelling stuff.

To get back to the OP though, it's really hard to accept Panpsychism at face-value. I think plants are a good first step though as an attempt at validating it. There have also been some interesting discoveries in the fields of fungi http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net... and water http://en.wikipedia.org... in regards to 'having consciousness'. Other than that, I do feel as if we are truly all connected on a deeper level. Collective consciousness, etc., but again, it's very difficult to prove as anything concrete.
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3/5/2015 7:16:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/5/2015 1:45:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Panpsychism is the belief that all things have a will, soul, mind, and/or consciousness. What are your thoughts on this idea?

For more info, see: http://en.wikipedia.org... and http://plato.stanford.edu...

I think that it's interesting. It seems that some big-name scientists nowadays like Michu Kaku would agree with this.
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3/5/2015 7:26:27 PM
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At 3/5/2015 7:16:32 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 3/5/2015 1:45:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Panpsychism is the belief that all things have a will, soul, mind, and/or consciousness. What are your thoughts on this idea?

For more info, see: http://en.wikipedia.org... and http://plato.stanford.edu...

I think that it's interesting. It seems that some big-name scientists nowadays like Michu Kaku would agree with this.

That's interesting. Personally, I am inclined to be skeptical of panpsychism, but I haven't read much about it.
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3/5/2015 7:29:35 PM
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At 3/5/2015 7:26:27 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/5/2015 7:16:32 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 3/5/2015 1:45:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Panpsychism is the belief that all things have a will, soul, mind, and/or consciousness. What are your thoughts on this idea?

For more info, see: http://en.wikipedia.org... and http://plato.stanford.edu...

I think that it's interesting. It seems that some big-name scientists nowadays like Michu Kaku would agree with this.

That's interesting. Personally, I am inclined to be skeptical of panpsychism, but I haven't read much about it.

I tend to like it when it's applied to a more analogous type of panentheism.

The idea that any interaction of information causes consciousness seems bogus to me. The idea that me hitting the wall is a very very slight degree of consciousness just seems weird. Besides, if this is the case, then wouldn't the universe as a whole be conscious? It seems that it necessarily entails some sort of pantheism.
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3/6/2015 9:45:18 AM
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At 3/5/2015 7:26:27 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/5/2015 7:16:32 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 3/5/2015 1:45:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Panpsychism is the belief that all things have a will, soul, mind, and/or consciousness. What are your thoughts on this idea?

For more info, see: http://en.wikipedia.org... and http://plato.stanford.edu...

I think that it's interesting. It seems that some big-name scientists nowadays like Michu Kaku would agree with this.

That's interesting. Personally, I am inclined to be skeptical of panpsychism, but I haven't read much about it.

https://www.youtube.com...
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3/6/2015 10:20:29 AM
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I think it's an interesting view and more plausible than physicalism. The combination problem is really difficult though. I like what David Chalmers has to say.

http://consc.net...
http://consc.net...
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3/6/2015 2:29:08 PM
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At 3/5/2015 7:29:35 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 3/5/2015 7:26:27 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/5/2015 7:16:32 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 3/5/2015 1:45:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Panpsychism is the belief that all things have a will, soul, mind, and/or consciousness. What are your thoughts on this idea?

For more info, see: http://en.wikipedia.org... and http://plato.stanford.edu...

I think that it's interesting. It seems that some big-name scientists nowadays like Michu Kaku would agree with this.

That's interesting. Personally, I am inclined to be skeptical of panpsychism, but I haven't read much about it.

I tend to like it when it's applied to a more analogous type of panentheism.

The idea that any interaction of information causes consciousness seems bogus to me. The idea that me hitting the wall is a very very slight degree of consciousness just seems weird. Besides, if this is the case, then wouldn't the universe as a whole be conscious? It seems that it necessarily entails some sort of pantheism.

I am a Panentheist so this resonates perfectly for me.
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3/7/2015 12:47:20 PM
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To whatever extent we can meaningfully refer to reality, it is mental in nature. I.e., it perfectly coincides with our description of it, and any argument to the contrary would necessarily be contradictory. Now, one cannot claim that reality is beyond our understanding, or has unknowable aspects, since in the course of doing so one would have to refer to it, which obviously makes them mental by definition. It follows that "reality" i.e., all only that which is real, is mental in nature, and that anything which could be relevant to reality must also be mental to the extent it could be included in reality's definition.
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3/7/2015 6:41:49 PM
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At 3/6/2015 10:20:29 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
I think it's an interesting view and more plausible than physicalism. The combination problem is really difficult though. I like what David Chalmers has to say.

http://consc.net...
http://consc.net...

I'm a little foggy on the different subsets of philosophy of mind- isnt panpsychism a subset of physicalism?
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3/8/2015 8:09:29 PM
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At 3/7/2015 6:41:49 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 3/6/2015 10:20:29 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
I think it's an interesting view and more plausible than physicalism. The combination problem is really difficult though. I like what David Chalmers has to say.

http://consc.net...
http://consc.net...

I'm a little foggy on the different subsets of philosophy of mind- isnt panpsychism a subset of physicalism?

Nah. Basically panpsychism takes mind as fundamental. Phyicalism is that mind (or the mental) eventually either reduces to or supervenes on a non-mental state of affairs (whatever physics says is the most fundamental level.)
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3/12/2015 7:16:55 PM
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At 3/5/2015 1:45:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Panpsychism is the belief that all things have a will, soul, mind, and/or consciousness. What are your thoughts on this idea?

For more info, see: http://en.wikipedia.org... and http://plato.stanford.edu...

I think it is clearly irreconcilable with materialism. As not all things have the organized material structure capable of causing consciousness.

I like the philosophy though, because it reminds me of shintoism, which has always been the religion I like the most. And when I say I like, I mean it seems to me like a cool background for a fantasy story.
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3/16/2015 12:25:54 AM
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3/16/2015 12:32:15 AM
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At 3/5/2015 1:45:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Panpsychism is the belief that all things have a will, soul, mind, and/or consciousness. What are your thoughts on this idea?

For more info, see: http://en.wikipedia.org... and http://plato.stanford.edu...

I believe that anything that can dream has a soul. And don't say that means that's only 5% of the species populations, because we don't know a lot about other animals dreaming or not. My belief of the soul does revolve around sleep and the unconscious mind, generally.
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3/16/2015 1:02:28 AM
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At 3/5/2015 1:45:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Panpsychism is the belief that all things have a will, soul, mind, and/or consciousness. What are your thoughts on this idea?

For more info, see: http://en.wikipedia.org... and http://plato.stanford.edu...

It is the exact opposite of what I believe, but I'm sure it can be a romantic notion.
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3/20/2015 9:00:10 AM
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It requires a developed brain to evince a consciousness and while I like the idea, I cannot reconcile it with that requirement. I think a Buddhist or one of similar philosophical background would agree with it.