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Skepticalone
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5/5/2015 10:04:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/5/2015 6:46:23 AM, lolamerckx wrote:
Should there be a limit in freedom of speech ?( ex: the Charlie hebdo attack)

No.
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neoryan1
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5/5/2015 3:51:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
No, and a cartoon drawing doesn't equate to violence. One person should not be held accountable for another person's reactions.

"We don't have freedom of speech to talk about the weather. We have the first amendment to say very controversial things."
- Ron Paul
Dazz
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5/6/2015 11:03:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/5/2015 6:46:23 AM, lolamerckx wrote:
Should there be a limit in freedom of speech ?( ex: the Charlie hebdo attack)

I'd vote for its limit, with a sufficient reason to believe so.

P1: Freedom of speech is a form of freedom of expression.
P2: Freedom of expression has to be equal for all, to reach its pure definition.
C1: Thus, Freedom of speech must fall under the genus of "equal-freedom" (which is proposing a limit for it that is for the sake of limitless freedom).

Where Freedom is (based) of "equality-rights" rather than "moral-human-rights".
*It's more logical to reside this freedom over equality than any other right, because definition of human/moral/or so-rights can (argumentatively) become subjective to humans (cultures & thought) but equality can be dealt objectively.

1.Some speeches are for freedom-of-expression.
2. Some are freedom-of-expression+ transgression-over-equality rights

* (1) is already in compliance to freedom (equality).
*whereas (2) has gone out of the genus of freedom (entailed by equality).

For example:
P1:Hate/degrading-speech is against the someone's (equality though also moral/human) rights.
P2:Subjugation of one's right is against freedom.
C1: Thus Hate-speech in-spite of being "freedom of speech" is against (equal) freedom (rights).
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5/6/2015 12:09:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/5/2015 6:46:23 AM, lolamerckx wrote:
Should there be a limit in freedom of speech ?( ex: the Charlie hebdo attack)

Yes. Speech with the intent to harm others (not to be confused with sacrilegious) speech has no reason to be protected, and is generally understood to be an exception to the unlimited speech rule.

In other words, the First Amendment is meant to protect those properties of speech that are uniquely human. Saying "kill that motherf*cker" may as well be a bark.
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neoryan1
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5/11/2015 11:47:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/6/2015 12:09:44 PM, phiLockeraptor wrote:
At 5/5/2015 6:46:23 AM, lolamerckx wrote:
Should there be a limit in freedom of speech ?( ex: the Charlie hebdo attack)

Yes. Speech with the intent to harm others (not to be confused with sacrilegious) speech has no reason to be protected, and is generally understood to be an exception to the unlimited speech rule.

In other words, the First Amendment is meant to protect those properties of speech that are uniquely human. Saying "kill that motherf*cker" may as well be a bark.

How does a photo of Muhammad harm someone? Yes, it may offend them, but virtually everything offends someone. Freedom of speech is meant so we can express unpopular opinions, even if they offend someone.
philochristos
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5/11/2015 4:24:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/5/2015 6:46:23 AM, lolamerckx wrote:
Should there be a limit in freedom of speech ?( ex: the Charlie hebdo attack)

I don't think people should be free to yell "Bomb!" on an airplane if there is no bomb.
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5/14/2015 12:50:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/11/2015 4:24:59 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 5/5/2015 6:46:23 AM, lolamerckx wrote:
Should there be a limit in freedom of speech ?( ex: the Charlie hebdo attack)

I don't think people should be free to yell "Bomb!" on an airplane if there is no bomb.

+1
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Cowboy0108
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5/14/2015 2:58:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
There should be no limit as long as a person's speech does not suggest that there is a clear and present danger. If that is the case, then it is terroristic threats. People should not have to live in fear; but I have no qualms with people being offended.
jkhiggons
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5/16/2015 11:20:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Freedom of speech is determined by the sphere of control. It depends on to what extent power (including you, those at the bottom, all the way to the top) will let you talk.

Should there be, as a personal opinion, no. Ultimate freedom of speech includes things such as hate speeches, and personal insult to a degree that can be more damaging than a physical attack. (I do believe that a person should be able to say whatever they want, but there should be laws that come into effect at a point, if you catch my drift)

But in the end what you can and cant say depends on everyone else, depends on what stage of history you are at, how the future evolves etc etc