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Any flaws in this philosophy?

Mr_Eno_Otu
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5/17/2015 6:11:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
"Do what makes you happy, except for anything that violates anyone else."
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5/17/2015 6:39:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/17/2015 6:11:53 AM, Mr_Eno_Otu wrote:
"Do what makes you happy, except for anything that violates anyone else."

It is formulated categorically.
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5/17/2015 6:50:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago

It is formulated categorically.

In laymen's terms, that would be?
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5/17/2015 7:11:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/17/2015 6:50:47 AM, Mr_Eno_Otu wrote:

It is formulated categorically.

In laymen's terms, that would be?
A categorical imperative claims to be action guiding without regard for personal desires. If one however takes no interest in the needs of others she can always respond with "what's that to me? I don't care."
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5/17/2015 7:24:19 AM
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A categorical imperative claims to be action guiding without regard for personal desires. If one however takes no interest in the needs of others she can always respond with "what's that to me? I don't care."

So you're saying that that philosophy is flawed in that it shows concern for others by saying, "...except for anything that violates anyone else?"...
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5/17/2015 7:29:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/17/2015 7:24:19 AM, Mr_Eno_Otu wrote:
A categorical imperative claims to be action guiding without regard for personal desires. If one however takes no interest in the needs of others she can always respond with "what's that to me? I don't care."

So you're saying that that philosophy is flawed in that it shows concern for others by saying, "...except for anything that violates anyone else?"...
I am saying that there is no reason for anyone to be motivated it if they are not already interested in the needs of others. I admit, I am nitpicking.
Moreover what is meant by "violate"? Is buying a t-shirt from a company that treats its workers badly such a violation?
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5/17/2015 7:39:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/17/2015 6:11:53 AM, Mr_Eno_Otu wrote:
"Do what makes you happy, except for anything that violates anyone else."

It's just a demand, and also it's very vague.
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5/17/2015 7:45:07 AM
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I am saying that there is no reason for anyone to be motivated it if they are not already interested in the needs of others. I admit, I am nitpicking.
Moreover what is meant by "violate"? Is buying a t-shirt from a company that treats its workers badly such a violation?

A person not presently interested in the needs of others could become so...by "violate" I mean it's general definition...what is a violation I guess is up to personal interpretation...a better philosophy then would be "do what makes you happy, except for anything that you know is violating someone else." Flaws in that philosophy?
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5/17/2015 7:53:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
It's just a demand, and also it's very vague.

I see...I was using "philosophy" meaning this definition:

"a set of ideas about how to do something or how to live"

as opposed to this definition:

"the study of ideas about knowledge, truth, the nature and meaning of life, etc."

Sorry about any confusion.
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5/17/2015 8:28:00 AM
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If a violation in this context means an action against another that would be considered criminal, I feel it works (Also if 'what makes you happy' implies anything you do not considered criminal).

If not that exclusively though, I believe the statement is too broad. As others have noted what is considered a violation can differ greatly by person (also what makes one happy).
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5/17/2015 8:37:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/17/2015 8:28:00 AM, jkhiggons wrote:
If a violation in this context means an action against another that would be considered criminal, I feel it works (Also if 'what makes you happy' implies anything you do not considered criminal).

If not that exclusively though, I believe the statement is too broad. As others have noted what is considered a violation can differ greatly by person (also what makes one happy).

I see...thank you.
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5/17/2015 9:55:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/17/2015 7:45:07 AM, Mr_Eno_Otu wrote:
I am saying that there is no reason for anyone to be motivated it if they are not already interested in the needs of others. I admit, I am nitpicking.
Moreover what is meant by "violate"? Is buying a t-shirt from a company that treats its workers badly such a violation?

A person not presently interested in the needs of others could become so...by "violate" I mean it's general definition...what is a violation I guess is up to personal interpretation...a better philosophy then would be "do what makes you happy, except for anything that you know is violating someone else." Flaws in that philosophy?
Depending on your interpretation of violation it is possible for your philosophy to either collapse into direct utilitarianism or egoism or basically the present day commonsense morality.
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5/17/2015 6:36:44 PM
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Depending on your interpretation of violation it is possible for your philosophy to either collapse into direct utilitarianism or egoism or basically the present day commonsense morality.

I see...I was unclear about what I meant by "philosophy" in the OP...sorry for any confusion:).
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5/17/2015 6:40:34 PM
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At 5/17/2015 6:11:53 AM, Mr_Eno_Otu wrote:
"Do what makes you happy, except for anything that violates anyone else."

It implies that other people matter.
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5/17/2015 6:42:51 PM
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It implies that other people matter.

I see...thank you very much for your answer:).
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5/17/2015 6:43:19 PM
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At 5/17/2015 6:42:51 PM, Mr_Eno_Otu wrote:
It implies that other people matter.

I see...thank you very much for your answer:).

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5/17/2015 10:23:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/17/2015 6:11:53 AM, Mr_Eno_Otu wrote:
"Do what makes you happy, except for anything that violates anyone else."

Yes. Sometimes there are injustices in this world and we cannot allow to continue. Violating someone else is frequently the only means available to the end of justice.
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5/19/2015 7:37:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/17/2015 9:39:23 PM, Cowboy0108 wrote:
It seems utilitarian to me. Maximize pleasure and Minimize pain.

Interesting...what would be bad in your opinion about a philosophy of "maximize pleasure and minimize pain?"
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5/19/2015 7:41:37 PM
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Yes. Sometimes there are injustices in this world and we cannot allow to continue. Violating someone else is frequently the only means available to the end of justice.

How would "violating" anyone ever be a form of justice?

I just saw that there are multiple definitions for "violate." I meant this definition:

"to take away, interfere with, or ignore (something, such as a person's rights or privacy) in an unfair or illegal way"
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5/19/2015 7:42:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/19/2015 7:37:02 PM, Mr_Eno_Otu wrote:
At 5/17/2015 9:39:23 PM, Cowboy0108 wrote:
It seems utilitarian to me. Maximize pleasure and Minimize pain.

Interesting...what would be bad in your opinion about a philosophy of "maximize pleasure and minimize pain?"

I do not see any problems that would occur in aggregate. The only problems that I see is that it may negatively influence relationships and offend people. Then again, this is not overly bad either.
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5/19/2015 7:46:49 PM
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I do not see any problems that would occur in aggregate. The only problems that I see is that it may negatively influence relationships and offend people. Then again, this is not overly bad either.

I see...how in your view would it negatively affect a relationship:)...?
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5/19/2015 8:04:10 PM
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At 5/19/2015 7:46:49 PM, Mr_Eno_Otu wrote:
I do not see any problems that would occur in aggregate. The only problems that I see is that it may negatively influence relationships and offend people. Then again, this is not overly bad either.

I see...how in your view would it negatively affect a relationship:)...?

When a person acts only in a way that provides the most utility and the least pain for a total number of people, it loses track of humanity and emotional states of people. I like to say that utilitarianism is the most rational of the major philosophies because it boils everything down to utility. Unfortunately, relationships cannot survive on rationality alone.
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5/19/2015 8:05:18 PM
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At 5/19/2015 7:41:37 PM, Mr_Eno_Otu wrote:
Yes. Sometimes there are injustices in this world and we cannot allow to continue. Violating someone else is frequently the only means available to the end of justice.

How would "violating" anyone ever be a form of justice?

I just saw that there are multiple definitions for "violate." I meant this definition:

"to take away, interfere with, or ignore (something, such as a person's rights or privacy) in an unfair or illegal way"

What you said here:

Do what makes you happy, except for anything that violates anyone else.

It bears a striking resemblance to this:

The Non-Aggression Principle also called the Non-Aggression Axiom is the idea that each person has the right to make his or her own choices in life so long as they do not involve aggression, defined as the initiation of force or fraud, against others. It is considered by many to be the defining principle of libertarianism.

Lots of libertarians think taxation is aggression and therefore illegitimate. I agree that taxes are aggression, but I see them as necessary for social justice. Using the definition you referenced, taxes would seem to be OK.
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5/20/2015 1:23:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/17/2015 6:11:53 AM, Mr_Eno_Otu wrote:
"Do what makes you happy, except for anything that violates anyone else." : :

How do you know what you're doing will make you happy? It's best to be happy before you do anything. Then you will never violate anyone else.