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Pok"mon is immoral and should be banned

Envisage
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5/25/2015 5:52:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Here a few arguments I have just thrown together, have fun!

C1. Pokemon possess a high level of autonomy & intelligence
These two attributes are almost ubiquitously what are regarded when we attribute value to agents. Accordingly, pokemon are capable of a range of human emotions, as evidenced by virtually any of Ash's pokemon, especially Pikachu. Pokemon also possess high levels of intelligence, far in excess of anything within the animal kingdom, with their ability to use language, tools, and reason. An exceptional example is Alakasam, with a reported IQ of 5,000, far in excess of any human.

C2. Training pokemon is hence slavery
The act of catching a pokemon entails beating the living sh*t out of it so that when it is hit with a pokeball - it will be too weak to break free. The physics of such are sketchy here, but without exception - once caught a pokemon is obligated to the trainer, although this obligation is never made explicit to viewers. Pokemon would even remain with their trainers regardless of their treatment under the trainer, for example Paul's Chimchar remained with him regardless of the physical abuse of him which rivalled those of the slave trade, and Ash's Charixard despite clearly wishing to leave Ash.

Catching pokemon forcibly removes them from their habitat, and from their family unit - thus equating to slavery, or at the very least violent kidnapping.

Conclusion
Pokemon promotes behaviour we do not want our children watching.
Fkkize
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5/26/2015 3:45:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 5:52:01 PM, Envisage wrote:
Pretty accurate lol. Altough the actual effects on the viewer are disputable.
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RuvDraba
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5/26/2015 4:31:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
More than that, Envisage. There's ample evidence to show that:

I) Pokemon exist in a mutually-dependent, circular and exceedingly fragile rock/paper/scissors evolutionary balance. Removing any individual from the environment could easily tip the balance of predator and prey so chaotically that entire ecosystems might collapse.

II) Pokemon biodiversity seems to have utterly stagnated for at least two decades, likely due to constant human predation for exceptional examples.

III) What is ignorantly called Pokemon 'evolution' is in all likelihood sexual maturation. Pokemon are being trapped and trained as juveniles before they are adequately socialised among their species, which accounts for an artificially limited range of behaviours, not unlike the dancing bears of China. This is further supported by an imbecilically narrow range of vocalisations, not unlike an axolotl crossed with a mynah bird.

IV) Virtually all domestic Pokemon are trapped in the wild due to repeated failure to breed them in capitivity. This is further evidence of human inability to provide adequate nutrition, stimulation and shelter to allow the organisms to thrive. To date, our attempts to domesticate Pokemon have all been dismal failures.

I too have been very concerned for over a decade, and urge an immediate end to Pokemon bloodsports, and replacing the cruel and cynical trade in Pokemon trapping with the lighter footprint of photographic tourism, perhaps accompanied with the tagline with "Gotta snap them all".
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5/26/2015 9:23:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/26/2015 3:45:55 AM, Fkkize wrote:
At 5/25/2015 5:52:01 PM, Envisage wrote:
Pretty accurate lol. Altough the actual effects on the viewer are disputable.

^This

It seems as if the link from art to real world attitudes is rather difficult to draw.

Spongebob can be said to promote the seven deadly sins, and Mario can be said to be a sociopath, but no effects have been clearly shown.

That said, the case against the morality of the world itself is superb.
tejretics
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5/26/2015 9:29:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 5:52:01 PM, Envisage wrote:
Here a few arguments I have just thrown together, have fun!

C1. Pokemon possess a high level of autonomy & intelligence
These two attributes are almost ubiquitously what are regarded when we attribute value to agents. Accordingly, pokemon are capable of a range of human emotions, as evidenced by virtually any of Ash's pokemon, especially Pikachu. Pokemon also possess high levels of intelligence, far in excess of anything within the animal kingdom, with their ability to use language, tools, and reason. An exceptional example is Alakasam, with a reported IQ of 5,000, far in excess of any human.

C2. Training pokemon is hence slavery
The act of catching a pokemon entails beating the living sh*t out of it so that when it is hit with a pokeball - it will be too weak to break free. The physics of such are sketchy here, but without exception - once caught a pokemon is obligated to the trainer, although this obligation is never made explicit to viewers. Pokemon would even remain with their trainers regardless of their treatment under the trainer, for example Paul's Chimchar remained with him regardless of the physical abuse of him which rivalled those of the slave trade, and Ash's Charixard despite clearly wishing to leave Ash.

Catching pokemon forcibly removes them from their habitat, and from their family unit - thus equating to slavery, or at the very least violent kidnapping.

Conclusion
Pokemon promotes behaviour we do not want our children watching.

Exactly. Completely true XD
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Fkkize
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5/26/2015 9:29:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/26/2015 9:23:28 AM, Nac wrote:
At 5/26/2015 3:45:55 AM, Fkkize wrote:
At 5/25/2015 5:52:01 PM, Envisage wrote:
Pretty accurate lol. Altough the actual effects on the viewer are disputable.

^This

It seems as if the link from art to real world attitudes is rather difficult to draw.

Spongebob can be said to promote the seven deadly sins, and Mario can be said to be a sociopath, but no effects have been clearly shown.

That said, the case against the morality of the world itself is superb.

Not to mention that Pokemon promotes evolutionism and satanism.
: At 7/2/2016 3:05:07 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
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: space contradicts logic
kasmic
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5/26/2015 10:39:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 5:52:01 PM, Envisage wrote:
Here a few arguments I have just thrown together, have fun!

C1. Pokemon possess a high level of autonomy & intelligence
These two attributes are almost ubiquitously what are regarded when we attribute value to agents. Accordingly, pokemon are capable of a range of human emotions, as evidenced by virtually any of Ash's pokemon, especially Pikachu. Pokemon also possess high levels of intelligence, far in excess of anything within the animal kingdom, with their ability to use language, tools, and reason. An exceptional example is Alakasam, with a reported IQ of 5,000, far in excess of any human.

C2. Training pokemon is hence slavery
The act of catching a pokemon entails beating the living sh*t out of it so that when it is hit with a pokeball - it will be too weak to break free. The physics of such are sketchy here, but without exception - once caught a pokemon is obligated to the trainer, although this obligation is never made explicit to viewers. Pokemon would even remain with their trainers regardless of their treatment under the trainer, for example Paul's Chimchar remained with him regardless of the physical abuse of him which rivalled those of the slave trade, and Ash's Charixard despite clearly wishing to leave Ash.

Catching pokemon forcibly removes them from their habitat, and from their family unit - thus equating to slavery, or at the very least violent kidnapping.

Conclusion
Pokemon promotes behaviour we do not want our children watching.

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5/27/2015 12:43:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 5:52:01 PM, Envisage wrote:
Here a few arguments I have just thrown together, have fun!

C1. Pokemon possess a high level of autonomy & intelligence
These two attributes are almost ubiquitously what are regarded when we attribute value to agents. Accordingly, pokemon are capable of a range of human emotions, as evidenced by virtually any of Ash's pokemon, especially Pikachu. Pokemon also possess high levels of intelligence, far in excess of anything within the animal kingdom, with their ability to use language, tools, and reason. An exceptional example is Alakasam, with a reported IQ of 5,000, far in excess of any human.

C2. Training pokemon is hence slavery
The act of catching a pokemon entails beating the living sh*t out of it so that when it is hit with a pokeball - it will be too weak to break free. The physics of such are sketchy here, but without exception - once caught a pokemon is obligated to the trainer, although this obligation is never made explicit to viewers. Pokemon would even remain with their trainers regardless of their treatment under the trainer, for example Paul's Chimchar remained with him regardless of the physical abuse of him which rivalled those of the slave trade, and Ash's Charixard despite clearly wishing to leave Ash.

Catching pokemon forcibly removes them from their habitat, and from their family unit - thus equating to slavery, or at the very least violent kidnapping.

Conclusion
Pokemon promotes behaviour we do not want our children watching.

The uncomfortable parallels with cockfighting are why I never wanted to play Pokemon despite being a big RPG fan.
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Kyle_the_Heretic
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5/27/2015 1:14:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 5:52:01 PM, Envisage wrote:
Here a few arguments I have just thrown together, have fun!

C1. Pokemon possess a high level of autonomy & intelligence
These two attributes are almost ubiquitously what are regarded when we attribute value to agents. Accordingly, pokemon are capable of a range of human emotions, as evidenced by virtually any of Ash's pokemon, especially Pikachu. Pokemon also possess high levels of intelligence, far in excess of anything within the animal kingdom, with their ability to use language, tools, and reason. An exceptional example is Alakasam, with a reported IQ of 5,000, far in excess of any human.

C2. Training pokemon is hence slavery
The act of catching a pokemon entails beating the living sh*t out of it so that when it is hit with a pokeball - it will be too weak to break free. The physics of such are sketchy here, but without exception - once caught a pokemon is obligated to the trainer, although this obligation is never made explicit to viewers. Pokemon would even remain with their trainers regardless of their treatment under the trainer, for example Paul's Chimchar remained with him regardless of the physical abuse of him which rivalled those of the slave trade, and Ash's Charixard despite clearly wishing to leave Ash.

Catching pokemon forcibly removes them from their habitat, and from their family unit - thus equating to slavery, or at the very least violent kidnapping.

Conclusion
Pokemon promotes behaviour we do not want our children watching.

Just make some Dip (Turpentine, Acetone, and Benzene), and spray 'em all down. That should solve the problem.
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