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Vox_Veritas
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7/19/2015 7:55:26 PM
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Neo-Natalism: the idea that the existing energy reserves of the Universe should be used towards having the maximum possible number of sentient life forms (living under fairly comfortable conditions) exist. Not all at one time, though.
In order to achieve this, one must waste as little of the Universe's energy supplies as you can without subjecting yourself to a life of unbearable austerity.

You see, there's a limited amount of energy in the Universe. It should be spent on producing as many people as possible and allowing them to live decent lives. A decent amount stretching across as many generations as possible.
Thoughts?
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7/20/2015 5:57:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/19/2015 7:55:26 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Neo-Natalism: the idea that the existing energy reserves of the Universe should be used towards having the maximum possible number of sentient life forms (living under fairly comfortable conditions) exist. Not all at one time, though.
In order to achieve this, one must waste as little of the Universe's energy supplies as you can without subjecting yourself to a life of unbearable austerity.

You see, there's a limited amount of energy in the Universe. It should be spent on producing as many people as possible and allowing them to live decent lives. A decent amount stretching across as many generations as possible.
Thoughts?

Producing as many people as possible................................why ?
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7/20/2015 6:51:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Producing as many people as possible................................why ?

Because V.V. is 21 years old with operating hormones.

When he gets to my age I suspect he'll feel differently.
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7/20/2015 8:12:42 AM
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At 7/19/2015 7:55:26 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Neo-Natalism: the idea that the existing energy reserves of the Universe should be used towards having the maximum possible number of sentient life forms (living under fairly comfortable conditions) exist. Not all at one time, though.
In order to achieve this, one must waste as little of the Universe's energy supplies as you can without subjecting yourself to a life of unbearable austerity.

You see, there's a limited amount of energy in the Universe. It should be spent on producing as many people as possible and allowing them to live decent lives. A decent amount stretching across as many generations as possible.
Thoughts?
Why not increase the average happiness instead of the total?
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7/20/2015 8:47:04 AM
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At 7/20/2015 5:57:58 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:55:26 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Neo-Natalism: the idea that the existing energy reserves of the Universe should be used towards having the maximum possible number of sentient life forms (living under fairly comfortable conditions) exist. Not all at one time, though.
In order to achieve this, one must waste as little of the Universe's energy supplies as you can without subjecting yourself to a life of unbearable austerity.

You see, there's a limited amount of energy in the Universe. It should be spent on producing as many people as possible and allowing them to live decent lives. A decent amount stretching across as many generations as possible.
Thoughts?

Producing as many people as possible................................why ?

Because it's arguably the best use of the matter in the Universe for the maximum possible number of humans to experience full life.
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7/20/2015 8:47:24 AM
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At 7/20/2015 6:51:00 AM, kp98 wrote:
Producing as many people as possible................................why ?

Because V.V. is 21 years old with operating hormones.

When he gets to my age I suspect he'll feel differently.

lol
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7/20/2015 9:10:14 AM
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At 7/20/2015 8:47:04 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/20/2015 5:57:58 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:55:26 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Neo-Natalism: the idea that the existing energy reserves of the Universe should be used towards having the maximum possible number of sentient life forms (living under fairly comfortable conditions) exist. Not all at one time, though.
In order to achieve this, one must waste as little of the Universe's energy supplies as you can without subjecting yourself to a life of unbearable austerity.

You see, there's a limited amount of energy in the Universe. It should be spent on producing as many people as possible and allowing them to live decent lives. A decent amount stretching across as many generations as possible.
Thoughts?

Producing as many people as possible................................why ?

Because it's arguably the best use of the matter in the Universe for the maximum possible number of humans to experience full life.

That is a subjective statement.
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7/21/2015 2:25:27 AM
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At 7/20/2015 8:47:04 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/20/2015 5:57:58 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 7/19/2015 7:55:26 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Neo-Natalism: the idea that the existing energy reserves of the Universe should be used towards having the maximum possible number of sentient life forms (living under fairly comfortable conditions) exist. Not all at one time, though.
In order to achieve this, one must waste as little of the Universe's energy supplies as you can without subjecting yourself to a life of unbearable austerity.

You see, there's a limited amount of energy in the Universe. It should be spent on producing as many people as possible and allowing them to live decent lives. A decent amount stretching across as many generations as possible.
Thoughts?

Producing as many people as possible................................why ?

Because it's arguably the best use of the matter in the Universe for the maximum possible number of humans to experience full life.

What's the justification for that stance?

Disclaimer: I'm an antinatalist and I don't think that I should care about anything that happens past the moment of my death, so you're going to have to expound upon your framework a bit more.
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7/23/2015 3:01:45 AM
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At 7/21/2015 2:25:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
Disclaimer: I'm an antinatalist and I don't think that I should care about anything that happens past the moment of my death, so you're going to have to expound upon your framework a bit more.

An objectivist antinatalist? Is death your standard of value??
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7/23/2015 3:28:42 AM
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At 7/23/2015 3:01:45 AM, sdavio wrote:
At 7/21/2015 2:25:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
Disclaimer: I'm an antinatalist and I don't think that I should care about anything that happens past the moment of my death, so you're going to have to expound upon your framework a bit more.

An objectivist antinatalist? Is death your standard of value??

Precisely the opposite - I value autonomy so much that I don't see a justification for putting anyone in the position to choose between living and suicide. I don't think that life itself is horrible or not worthwhile, just that putting someone in the position to make that judgement call is an act of unnecessary force.
: At 10/2/2017 3:00:43 AM, YYW wrote:
: Bossy: You are Regina.

:Inferno wrote:
:You sound rather gay.

-- And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

"I believe that my powers of mind are surely such that I would have become in a
certain sense a resolver of all problems. I do not believe that I could have remained in
error anywhere for long. I believe that I would have earned the name of Redeemer,
because I had the nature of a Redeemer. "
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7/23/2015 8:01:29 AM
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At 7/23/2015 3:28:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 7/23/2015 3:01:45 AM, sdavio wrote:
At 7/21/2015 2:25:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
Disclaimer: I'm an antinatalist and I don't think that I should care about anything that happens past the moment of my death, so you're going to have to expound upon your framework a bit more.

An objectivist antinatalist? Is death your standard of value??

Precisely the opposite - I value autonomy so much that I don't see a justification for putting anyone in the position to choose between living and suicide. I don't think that life itself is horrible or not worthwhile, just that putting someone in the position to make that judgement call is an act of unnecessary force.

So it follows from the absolute value of autonomy that we should put an end to the thing that's the precondition for autonomy?