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Dookieman
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7/29/2015 2:33:36 AM
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I've noticed that when philosophy of religion is discussed virtually no one talks about pantheism. What are your thoughts on this religious or philosophical worldview?
bladerunner060
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7/29/2015 2:43:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/29/2015 2:33:36 AM, Dookieman wrote:
I've noticed that when philosophy of religion is discussed virtually no one talks about pantheism. What are your thoughts on this religious or philosophical worldview?

Few people advocate it, hence the lack of discussion on the subject. And of those that advocate it, they tend to push it less than others, though how much of that is just because there's fewer of them, vs. just because they tend to be less pushy, is up for debate.
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n7
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7/29/2015 2:45:27 AM
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It seems to be naturalism with semantics. I don't see any ontological difference in a world where Pantheism is true and another where naturalism is true.
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7/30/2015 4:55:08 AM
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Pantheism is a very inexact term which is why I don't think it should be used. You think God is the universe? Great, but what does that mean?
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7/30/2015 9:04:19 AM
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At 7/29/2015 2:45:27 AM, n7 wrote:
It seems to be naturalism with semantics. I don't see any ontological difference in a world where Pantheism is true and another where naturalism is true.

Spinozan pantheism holds that the universe is an intelligent, conscious, omnipotent, omniscient being.
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7/30/2015 5:24:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/30/2015 9:04:19 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 7/29/2015 2:45:27 AM, n7 wrote:
It seems to be naturalism with semantics. I don't see any ontological difference in a world where Pantheism is true and another where naturalism is true.

Spinozan pantheism holds that the universe is an intelligent, conscious, omnipotent, omniscient being.

Yeah, but that's technically panENtheism.
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tejretics
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7/30/2015 5:49:52 PM
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At 7/30/2015 5:24:45 PM, n7 wrote:
At 7/30/2015 9:04:19 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 7/29/2015 2:45:27 AM, n7 wrote:
It seems to be naturalism with semantics. I don't see any ontological difference in a world where Pantheism is true and another where naturalism is true.

Spinozan pantheism holds that the universe is an intelligent, conscious, omnipotent, omniscient being.

Yeah, but that's technically panENtheism.

Panentheism holds that God is the same as and beyond the universe. Spinozan pantheism says the universe has those attributes, and is all that exists.
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7/30/2015 6:51:27 PM
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At 7/30/2015 5:49:52 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 7/30/2015 5:24:45 PM, n7 wrote:
At 7/30/2015 9:04:19 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 7/29/2015 2:45:27 AM, n7 wrote:
It seems to be naturalism with semantics. I don't see any ontological difference in a world where Pantheism is true and another where naturalism is true.

Spinozan pantheism holds that the universe is an intelligent, conscious, omnipotent, omniscient being.

Yeah, but that's technically panENtheism.

Panentheism holds that God is the same as and beyond the universe. Spinozan pantheism says the universe has those attributes, and is all that exists.

"Spinoza has been described as a pantheist " God is nature " a view identified by many as atheism. But Spinoza denied that he was a pantheist. In a letter to Henry Oldenburg he wrote that "as to the view of certain people that I identify god with nature (taken as a kind of mass or corporeal matter), they are quite mistaken." The confusion is understandable given Spinoza's description of the god he believes in.

By God I understand a being absolutely infinite, i.e., a substance consisting of an infinity of attributes, of which each one expresses an eternal and infinite essence.

There is only one substance in the universe; it is God; and everything else that is, is in God.

The second point above clearly has God and "everything else" as different entities."

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