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Should the great apes be considered persons?

Dookieman
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8/3/2015 2:24:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Here I take the word person to mean a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
tejretics
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8/3/2015 6:41:26 AM
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At 8/3/2015 2:24:54 AM, Dookieman wrote:
Here I take the word person to mean a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Yes.
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8/3/2015 7:00:51 AM
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At 8/3/2015 2:24:54 AM, Dookieman wrote:
Here I take the word person to mean a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

No, considering their violent tendencies and inability to communicate on sufficiently abstract levels.
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8/3/2015 7:07:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/3/2015 6:41:26 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 8/3/2015 2:24:54 AM, Dookieman wrote:
Here I take the word person to mean a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Yes.

I think we just found our debate topic.

THBT great apes should be considered persons (I'd be Con)

As long as the word person means a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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8/3/2015 7:07:52 AM
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At 8/3/2015 7:00:51 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/3/2015 2:24:54 AM, Dookieman wrote:
Here I take the word person to mean a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

No, considering their violent tendencies and inability to communicate on sufficiently abstract levels.

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8/3/2015 8:11:36 AM
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No, considering their violent tendencies and inability to communicate on sufficiently abstract levels.

Are your talking about apes or humans?
Fkkize
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8/3/2015 9:09:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/3/2015 2:24:54 AM, Dookieman wrote:
Here I take the word person to mean a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Yes, definitely.
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8/3/2015 4:47:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/3/2015 8:11:36 AM, kp98 wrote:
No, considering their violent tendencies and inability to communicate on sufficiently abstract levels.

Are your talking about apes or humans?

+1
dylancatlow
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8/3/2015 5:01:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
No, but I think they're advanced enough to be granted some rights.

I don't think they're persons because I don't think that they should be allowed to, for example, roam around on the streets as they wish, as people are allowed to do. I also don't really see any problem with keeping them in zoos, so long as they are well cared for.