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Should the great apes be considered persons?

Dookieman
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8/3/2015 2:24:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Here I take the word person to mean a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
tejretics
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8/3/2015 6:41:26 AM
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At 8/3/2015 2:24:54 AM, Dookieman wrote:
Here I take the word person to mean a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Yes.
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Skepsikyma
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8/3/2015 7:00:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2015 2:24:54 AM, Dookieman wrote:
Here I take the word person to mean a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

No, considering their violent tendencies and inability to communicate on sufficiently abstract levels.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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8/3/2015 7:07:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2015 6:41:26 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 8/3/2015 2:24:54 AM, Dookieman wrote:
Here I take the word person to mean a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Yes.

I think we just found our debate topic.

THBT great apes should be considered persons (I'd be Con)

As long as the word person means a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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8/3/2015 7:07:52 AM
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At 8/3/2015 7:00:51 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/3/2015 2:24:54 AM, Dookieman wrote:
Here I take the word person to mean a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

No, considering their violent tendencies and inability to communicate on sufficiently abstract levels.

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8/3/2015 8:11:36 AM
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No, considering their violent tendencies and inability to communicate on sufficiently abstract levels.

Are your talking about apes or humans?
Fkkize
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8/3/2015 9:09:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2015 2:24:54 AM, Dookieman wrote:
Here I take the word person to mean a being that possess basic rights, e.g. to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Yes, definitely.
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Otokage
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8/3/2015 4:47:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2015 8:11:36 AM, kp98 wrote:
No, considering their violent tendencies and inability to communicate on sufficiently abstract levels.

Are your talking about apes or humans?

+1
dylancatlow
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8/3/2015 5:01:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
No, but I think they're advanced enough to be granted some rights.

I don't think they're persons because I don't think that they should be allowed to, for example, roam around on the streets as they wish, as people are allowed to do. I also don't really see any problem with keeping them in zoos, so long as they are well cared for.