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Noam Chomsky and CTMU

tejretics
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8/4/2015 11:21:56 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Apparently, CTMU borrows a lot of phrases from Noam Chomsky. That's why Diqiucun_Cunmin, who doesn't understand my God debates, understands CTMU.

I'd like to remind the CTMU that there's no difference between it and the furious sleep of colorless green ideas.
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8/4/2015 12:26:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 11:21:56 AM, tejretics wrote:
Apparently, CTMU borrows a lot of phrases from Noam Chomsky. That's why Diqiucun_Cunmin, who doesn't understand my God debates, understands CTMU.
I don't understand the CTMU, lol. The dummy guy happened to quote portions of the CTMU that borrowed most heavily from Chomsky, so I think I've understood enough to refute the text presented. I don't have to understand the whole paper to refute them, especially not in a one-round debate. Apparently, the universe creates itself using the 'Self-Configuring Self-Processing Language', which is a generative grammar that provides 'syntactic covering' for 'human cognitive syntax', which in turn provides 'syntactic covering' for the laws of maths and physics.
I'd like to remind the CTMU that there's no difference between it and the furious sleep of colorless green ideas.
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8/4/2015 12:28:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 12:26:23 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:

Colorless green ideas just woke up.
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass
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8/4/2015 12:29:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 12:28:23 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 8/4/2015 12:26:23 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:

Colorless green ideas just woke up.

Do you want me to go into a rant about how the quote is so often misunderstood? :P
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
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Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
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8/4/2015 12:30:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 12:29:22 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 8/4/2015 12:28:23 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 8/4/2015 12:26:23 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:

Colorless green ideas just woke up.

Do you want me to go into a rant about how the quote is so often misunderstood? :P

All I care is that it's a perfect statement for me to show that the statement "God exists" is grammatically correct, but incoherent.
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass
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8/4/2015 12:33:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 12:29:22 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 8/4/2015 12:28:23 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 8/4/2015 12:26:23 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:

Colorless green ideas just woke up.

Do you want me to go into a rant about how the quote is so often misunderstood? :P

Many people think it's a statement coined to be meaningless, but that is wrong, I think. Chomsky coined it to show a grammatically correct sentence that has never been used before.
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass
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8/4/2015 12:33:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 12:30:11 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 8/4/2015 12:29:22 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 8/4/2015 12:28:23 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 8/4/2015 12:26:23 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:

Colorless green ideas just woke up.

Do you want me to go into a rant about how the quote is so often misunderstood? :P

All I care is that it's a perfect statement for me to show that the statement "God exists" is grammatically correct, but incoherent.

That was certainly not Chomsky's point, lol.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
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8/4/2015 12:36:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 12:33:11 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 8/4/2015 12:29:22 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 8/4/2015 12:28:23 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 8/4/2015 12:26:23 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:

Colorless green ideas just woke up.

Do you want me to go into a rant about how the quote is so often misunderstood? :P

Many people think it's a statement coined to be meaningless, but that is wrong, I think. Chomsky coined it to show a grammatically correct sentence that has never been used before.

You mean creativity/productivity? That's close - but no cigar. If you combine the two, you're closer to the truth...
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
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8/11/2015 2:47:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
If I remember correctly, when Malcolm Gladwell visited Chris Langan during his book research, Langan was found reading a book by Noam Chomsky.

I wouldn't say that the CTMU "borrows" from Chomsky. It's the wrong phrase. Since it's a linguistically-loaded theory, inclusion of Chomskyan terms is inevitable because the field of linguistics and Chomsky are practically inseparable at this point.
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8/11/2015 3:05:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 2:47:07 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
If I remember correctly, when Malcolm Gladwell visited Chris Langan during his book research, Langan was found reading a book by Noam Chomsky.

I wouldn't say that the CTMU "borrows" from Chomsky. It's the wrong phrase. Since it's a linguistically-loaded theory, inclusion of Chomskyan terms is inevitable because the field of linguistics and Chomsky are practically inseparable at this point.

What's the fascination with Chomsky lol?
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8/11/2015 3:14:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/11/2015 3:05:51 PM, sdavio wrote:
At 8/11/2015 2:47:07 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
If I remember correctly, when Malcolm Gladwell visited Chris Langan during his book research, Langan was found reading a book by Noam Chomsky.

I wouldn't say that the CTMU "borrows" from Chomsky. It's the wrong phrase. Since it's a linguistically-loaded theory, inclusion of Chomskyan terms is inevitable because the field of linguistics and Chomsky are practically inseparable at this point.

What's the fascination with Chomsky lol?

What would give you that impression? :P