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Lewisian Modal Realism

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9/16/2015 10:00:00 AM
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The idea of modal realism seems very intriguing. What good arguments are present for/against it? Since modal realism would entail the existence of any metaphysically possible entity, it means any metaphysically possible form of supernatural entities would exist.
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9/16/2015 4:28:32 PM
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At 9/16/2015 10:00:00 AM, tejretics wrote:
The idea of modal realism seems very intriguing. What good arguments are present for/against it? Since modal realism would entail the existence of any metaphysically possible entity, it means any metaphysically possible form of supernatural entities would exist.

The reason I think it's false is what I call the "Believe It If You Can" objection. It seems rather ludicrous to conclude the existence of countless concrete worlds from your armchair just because it supposedly makes sense of modality. Especially since modal fictionalism has all its pros without its cons (at least as far as I am aware).
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9/16/2015 5:06:30 PM
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At 9/16/2015 10:00:00 AM, tejretics wrote:
The idea of modal realism seems very intriguing. What good arguments are present for/against it? Since modal realism would entail the existence of any metaphysically possible entity, it means any metaphysically possible form of supernatural entities would exist.

What's the justification for believing possible worlds actually exist? I'm not very good at understanding heavy philosophical topics but they still interest me.
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9/17/2015 4:53:33 AM
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At 9/16/2015 10:00:00 AM, tejretics wrote:
The idea of modal realism seems very intriguing. What good arguments are present for/against it? Since modal realism would entail the existence of any metaphysically possible entity, it means any metaphysically possible form of supernatural entities would exist.

I think the only argument remotely convincing for it is that possible worlds have to refer to something for the semantics to be sound. They conclude that the something is other actual worlds.

Recall my debate with Envisage, modal realists have used that as an actual argument for MR.
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9/17/2015 5:30:48 AM
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At 9/16/2015 10:00:00 AM, tejretics wrote:
The idea of modal realism seems very intriguing. What good arguments are present for/against it? Since modal realism would entail the existence of any metaphysically possible entity, it means any metaphysically possible form of supernatural entities would exist.

The PSR necessitates that the only possible world is the one that actually exists.
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9/17/2015 5:31:24 AM
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At 9/17/2015 5:30:48 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 9/16/2015 10:00:00 AM, tejretics wrote:
The idea of modal realism seems very intriguing. What good arguments are present for/against it? Since modal realism would entail the existence of any metaphysically possible entity, it means any metaphysically possible form of supernatural entities would exist.

The PSR necessitates that the only possible world is the one that actually exists.

I don't even buy the PSR, though.
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9/17/2015 5:32:23 AM
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At 9/17/2015 5:31:24 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/17/2015 5:30:48 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 9/16/2015 10:00:00 AM, tejretics wrote:
The idea of modal realism seems very intriguing. What good arguments are present for/against it? Since modal realism would entail the existence of any metaphysically possible entity, it means any metaphysically possible form of supernatural entities would exist.

The PSR necessitates that the only possible world is the one that actually exists.

I don't even buy the PSR, though.

Then why do you demand any justifications at all?
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9/17/2015 5:33:38 AM
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At 9/17/2015 5:32:23 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 9/17/2015 5:31:24 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/17/2015 5:30:48 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 9/16/2015 10:00:00 AM, tejretics wrote:
The idea of modal realism seems very intriguing. What good arguments are present for/against it? Since modal realism would entail the existence of any metaphysically possible entity, it means any metaphysically possible form of supernatural entities would exist.

The PSR necessitates that the only possible world is the one that actually exists.

I don't even buy the PSR, though.

Then why do you demand any justifications at all?

I believe most things require explanations, but some brute facts exist as well.
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9/17/2015 1:32:15 PM
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At 9/17/2015 5:33:38 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/17/2015 5:32:23 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 9/17/2015 5:31:24 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/17/2015 5:30:48 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 9/16/2015 10:00:00 AM, tejretics wrote:
The idea of modal realism seems very intriguing. What good arguments are present for/against it? Since modal realism would entail the existence of any metaphysically possible entity, it means any metaphysically possible form of supernatural entities would exist.

The PSR necessitates that the only possible world is the one that actually exists.

I don't even buy the PSR, though.

Then why do you demand any justifications at all?

I believe most things require explanations, but some brute facts exist as well.

Why are brute facts brute facts? If you don't justify their existence in any way by requiring a cause, how can you explain their existence and their non-nonexistence?
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9/17/2015 3:08:20 PM
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At 9/17/2015 1:32:15 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 9/17/2015 5:33:38 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/17/2015 5:32:23 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 9/17/2015 5:31:24 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/17/2015 5:30:48 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 9/16/2015 10:00:00 AM, tejretics wrote:
The idea of modal realism seems very intriguing. What good arguments are present for/against it? Since modal realism would entail the existence of any metaphysically possible entity, it means any metaphysically possible form of supernatural entities would exist.

The PSR necessitates that the only possible world is the one that actually exists.

I don't even buy the PSR, though.

Then why do you demand any justifications at all?

I believe most things require explanations, but some brute facts exist as well.

Why are brute facts brute facts? If you don't justify their existence in any way by requiring a cause, how can you explain their existence and their non-nonexistence?

You're begging the question -- why does there have to be an explanation for brute facts?
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9/17/2015 3:57:33 PM
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Why are brute facts brute facts? If you don't justify their existence in any way by requiring a cause, how can you explain their existence and their non-nonexistence?
That's why they are called brute facts. You can't explain them. You can only understand them.
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: space contradicts logic