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dattaswami
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11/2/2015 5:14:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
(Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

The scripture says that the fisherman should not catch fish in the river Ganga. By this, the scripture controls the catching of fish in one place at least. The scripture further says that the fisherman should not catch the fish on the days of Divine festivals at least. By this, the scripture is controlling the killing of fish on some days at least. Finally, the scripture says that you should not kill the fish at any place on any day and such stage is called as "Mahavratam", which is irrespective of place and time.

You should not mistake that the scripture encourages the killing of fish on other days and in other rivers. This is the wrong side of the conclusion and this is said to be the misunderstanding of the scripture. The correct side is that the scripture tries to control the sin gradually by restricting in one place and on some days at least. Allowing the sin on other days does not mean encouraging the sin. Control brings the reduction of sin and slowly the sin can be completely eradicated.

Bhavabhooti says in Uttararamacharitam that the cow is killed when the guest comes (Eshagowhmatamatayate"). This is the indication of reduction of sin, which means that you should not kill the cow for your sake on other days. This avoids killing the cow frequently for the sake of your food. The complete control of the sin can be found in the Veda that the person killing a cow should be shot dead (Goghnamseesenaviddhyamah"). Therefore, the scripture always tries to control the sin and never encourages the sin.

The sin comes only if you kill the living being directly or become responsible for its killing indirectly and you have to face the punishment of such a sin. You may find the Veda or the scriptures speaking about the non-vegetarian food and killing of a living being in sacrifice. By this, you should not think that the Veda or the scripture provokes you to kill the animal. In fact, the scripture controls you to kill the animal by suggesting the sacrifice to be done in a specified season like spring only (Vasante Vasantejyotishaayajeta"). The sacrifice called "Jyotishtoma" should be performed only in spring season. By this, you control the killing of animal in other seasons. You cannot totally oppose the killing of animal in the beginning itself.

Instead of killing the animal every day or every week, you can allow the killing of animal once in a year only. This reduces the killing of the animal gradually and finally, you can avoid the killing forever. This is just like running along a running bull for some distance before you control it. We cannot control the running bull in the very first step itself. You have to run along with it for sometime before you control it. Such running of a person should not be misunderstood as encouragement of running. Even if the person does not run, the bull will run.

Even if the scripture does not advise the killing of animal in the sacrifice to be performed once in a year, the killing of the animal for the meat will not be stopped. In fact, the killing of the animal in the absence of such instruction will take place more frequently. Shankara had clarified this point in His commentary by saying that the defective nature of the human being (Pravrutti) is not encouraged by the Veda. Following the defective nature of the human being, the Veda suggests the sacrifice. This does not mean that the Veda initiates the defective nature in the human being. Shankara said, "Shastramjnapakamnatukarakam". This means that the scripture gives the advice based on the naturally existing defective nature in the human being and that the scripture is not the initiator of the defective nature.

posted by: surya (disciple of swamiji)
DPMartin
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11/2/2015 6:46:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I am not familiar with "swamiji" nor the scriptures he speaks of, but the scripture he refers to controls nothing that men don"t agree to without fear of, or love for what the document is for or of. Without the power to make good, or punish the offender without reprisal, the agreement means nothing. And men execute judgement on men by discerning what is for or against what is agreed to. In this case what swamiji refers to as scripture. No one is responsible for what they don"t agree to if given the power to do so or not, but if one is born into slavery, what could he agree to in order to be liberated? Unless it be a power greater then what he is enslaved to.

Hence all effected parties can agree to kill cows to sell for steaks or not kill cows at all, but the only moral or ethical question is, when in the agreement to not kill cows, correct to kill cows, or visa verse. Which has nothing to do with control, unless the writers there of, are corrupt.
tejretics
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11/4/2015 12:38:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
But controlling the sin can be seen as encouragement. The scripture has two solutions: (1) ban cow meat entirely, or (2) allow it in the presence of guests and ban it otherwise. Supporting (2) when (1) is possible is basically endorsing cow meat in the presence of guests. It sets a bad precedent.

[Note: this is just in relevance to the topic at hand; it has nothing to do with my actual beliefs. This post assumes the OP's basic assumptions are true.]
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dattaswami
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11/4/2015 1:36:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
from surya (disciple of Swamiji)

This is a wrong conclusion. Probably, you have not understood the original post. Please read again.

Scripture is slowly slowly imposing sanctions and finally banning the killing of cow. You have understood the other way, which is not correct. If you tell at once to change, nobody will be inclined to do. Change should be gradual. Ofcourse, there are some people who can change in one go also. It is fine but need not be the case with all.

At 11/4/2015 12:38:56 PM, tejretics wrote:
But controlling the sin can be seen as encouragement. The scripture has two solutions: (1) ban cow meat entirely, or (2) allow it in the presence of guests and ban it otherwise. Supporting (2) when (1) is possible is basically endorsing cow meat in the presence of guests. It sets a bad precedent.