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Substance Dualism & Heideggerian Metaphysics

Romanii
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12/1/2015 11:08:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Sargon and I did a debate in which he presented a refutation of substance dualism stemming from the ideas of Martin Heidegger. It's an interesting read, even if there were some problems with communication and articulation involved: http://www.debate.org...

Thoughts?
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12/2/2015 3:48:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/1/2015 11:08:32 PM, Romanii wrote:
Sargon and I did a debate in which he presented a refutation of substance dualism stemming from the ideas of Martin Heidegger. It's an interesting read, even if there were some problems with communication and articulation involved: http://www.debate.org...

Thoughts?

I read round 1 and thought I was following and then I got to round 2...........................
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Romanii
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12/2/2015 3:56:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/2/2015 3:48:53 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 12/1/2015 11:08:32 PM, Romanii wrote:
Sargon and I did a debate in which he presented a refutation of substance dualism stemming from the ideas of Martin Heidegger. It's an interesting read, even if there were some problems with communication and articulation involved: http://www.debate.org...

Thoughts?

I read round 1 and thought I was following and then I got to round 2...........................

I think you meant Round 3 (unless you're implying that you didn't follow anything past the acceptance round lol). But yeah that was really confusing. Too much miscommunication and dissonance between our terminology. Round 4 was much clearer in that sense.
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12/2/2015 4:49:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Cartesianism is literally responsible for the Holocaust. I'll do that debate.
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12/2/2015 5:27:59 AM
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At 12/2/2015 4:49:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
Cartesianism is literally responsible for the Holocaust. I'll do that debate.

go away -_-

I don't really like substance dualism that much, to be honest. There are too many uncertainties associated with it, like the whole "independent existence" thing and the problem of interaction. I don't think that any of those definitively refutes it, but I prefer other philosophies on the basis of parsimony. Idealism, dual-aspect monism, or even your weird Spinozian infinite substance thing all sound pretty cool. I'm open to almost any ontology except physicalism, which I reject primarily for the reasons expressed in that debate.
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12/2/2015 2:42:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/2/2015 5:27:59 AM, Romanii wrote:
At 12/2/2015 4:49:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
Cartesianism is literally responsible for the Holocaust. I'll do that debate.

go away -_-

I don't really like substance dualism that much, to be honest. There are too many uncertainties associated with it, like the whole "independent existence" thing and the problem of interaction. I don't think that any of those definitively refutes it, but I prefer other philosophies on the basis of parsimony. Idealism, dual-aspect monism, or even your weird Spinozian infinite substance thing all sound pretty cool. I'm open to almost any ontology except physicalism, which I reject primarily for the reasons expressed in that debate.

Honestly, Spinoza's argument isn't that far-out - he's basically just establishing that mind, body, etc., must all have some common basis or be conceived through the same substance, which is a very standard argument for neutral monism. The infinite substance is just the neutral substance of Russel & Co.
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12/2/2015 3:31:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
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12/3/2015 11:17:21 PM
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At 12/2/2015 4:49:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
Cartesianism is literally responsible for the Holocaust. I'll do that debate.

Hilter posited two separate modes of race, the Aryan race and the inferior. Sounds a lot like it was inspired by Cartesian dualism to me.
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12/3/2015 11:18:16 PM
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