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DPMartin
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12/3/2015 4:37:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Exactly what does it take to believe? Is experience, and or, trust required? If one turns the door nob, then one expects to be able to open the door. Is belief the reason for the fulfillment of the door opening?
janesix
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12/3/2015 7:53:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/3/2015 4:37:08 PM, DPMartin wrote:
Exactly what does it take to believe? Is experience, and or, trust required? If one turns the door nob, then one expects to be able to open the door. Is belief the reason for the fulfillment of the door opening?

I think most people hold beliefs, even despite evidence to the contrary, to keep their worldview intact.
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12/3/2015 11:41:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/3/2015 7:53:35 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/3/2015 4:37:08 PM, DPMartin wrote:
Exactly what does it take to believe? Is experience, and or, trust required? If one turns the door nob, then one expects to be able to open the door. Is belief the reason for the fulfillment of the door opening?

I think most people hold beliefs, even despite evidence to the contrary, to keep their worldview intact.

So what you"re saying is people believe what they want to believe, correct? Then wouldn"t that be a trust in something other than the Truth? Or maybe belief is souly based on what is valued, or a judgement of what is good for one"s self. Which again would be souly based on what is in the heart, and the heart is where one"s treasures are.

As in, this is what one wants, and he believes this is how to get it. And one acts on that.
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12/4/2015 2:37:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/3/2015 7:53:35 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/3/2015 4:37:08 PM, DPMartin wrote:
Exactly what does it take to believe? Is experience, and or, trust required? If one turns the door nob, then one expects to be able to open the door. Is belief the reason for the fulfillment of the door opening?

I think most people hold beliefs, even despite evidence to the contrary, to keep their worldview intact.

Or they'll just believe what makes the most sense to them. I doubt they continue to believe something just to maintain that belief.
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12/4/2015 2:43:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/3/2015 4:37:08 PM, DPMartin wrote:
Exactly what does it take to believe? Is experience, and or, trust required? If one turns the door nob, then one expects to be able to open the door. Is belief the reason for the fulfillment of the door opening?

Belief comes from many factors, past experiences help yes but that's not all. Common sense and faith are involved to. A human if they have no past experiences will blindly trust others, as seen in babies and infants. As the years go on however they, through experiences and common sense, will no longer do as such.
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12/4/2015 3:44:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/4/2015 2:43:24 PM, Kirigaya-Kazuto wrote:
At 12/3/2015 4:37:08 PM, DPMartin wrote:
Exactly what does it take to believe? Is experience, and or, trust required? If one turns the door nob, then one expects to be able to open the door. Is belief the reason for the fulfillment of the door opening?

Belief comes from many factors, past experiences help yes but that's not all. Common sense and faith are involved to. A human if they have no past experiences will blindly trust others, as seen in babies and infants. As the years go on however they, through experiences and common sense, will no longer do as such.

Yes but it seems all you are saying there, is that belief is based on experience. A puppy will approach someone ready to play unless he experiences reason to do otherwise.

When trust is betrayed, belief is almost never restored. Unless the memory of the betrayal is forgotten.

So "what" to believe maybe based on what to trust, as in source of common sensibilities and persons expressing their experience so that someone else wouldn"t have to experience the same. But that seems to be no change, one believes someone else, to prevent or exploit the same experience. One would be doing that same as the child, only choosing different things and sources to believe, and or trust. And who or what to believe is still chosen based on what is valued.

It seems that it"s a, who or what do you trust, for the fulfillment of expectation, and that expectation is based on the heart that is focused on what is valued the most. And it seems that we are born into a life that requires trust/belief, but what instruction of life to life should be believed, if one values life?
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12/4/2015 4:07:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/4/2015 3:44:25 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 12/4/2015 2:43:24 PM, Kirigaya-Kazuto wrote:
At 12/3/2015 4:37:08 PM, DPMartin wrote:
Exactly what does it take to believe? Is experience, and or, trust required? If one turns the door nob, then one expects to be able to open the door. Is belief the reason for the fulfillment of the door opening?

Belief comes from many factors, past experiences help yes but that's not all. Common sense and faith are involved to. A human if they have no past experiences will blindly trust others, as seen in babies and infants. As the years go on however they, through experiences and common sense, will no longer do as such.

Yes but it seems all you are saying there, is that belief is based on experience. A puppy will approach someone ready to play unless he experiences reason to do otherwise.

When trust is betrayed, belief is almost never restored. Unless the memory of the betrayal is forgotten.

Not true, there are many cases of people having faith in others and repeatedly trusting humans, animals, machines etc.

So "what" to believe maybe based on what to trust, as in source of common sensibilities and persons expressing their experience so that someone else wouldn"t have to experience the same. But that seems to be no change, one believes someone else, to prevent or exploit the same experience. One would be doing that same as the child, only choosing different things and sources to believe, and or trust. And who or what to believe is still chosen based on what is valued.

Again this is also not true.

It seems that it"s a, who or what do you trust, for the fulfillment of expectation, and that expectation is based on the heart that is focused on what is valued the most.

Bye heart I'm assuming what your emotions find the most valued. While most of this is true it is not always the case as many expect nothing from others.

And it seems that we are born into a life that requires trust/belief, but what instruction of life to life should be believed, if one values life?

LIfe does not require trust or belief, I know of people who neither believe in or trust anything.
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12/4/2015 8:43:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/4/2015 4:07:01 PM, Kirigaya-Kazuto wrote:
At 12/4/2015 3:44:25 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 12/4/2015 2:43:24 PM, Kirigaya-Kazuto wrote:
At 12/3/2015 4:37:08 PM, DPMartin wrote:
Exactly what does it take to believe? Is experience, and or, trust required? If one turns the door nob, then one expects to be able to open the door. Is belief the reason for the fulfillment of the door opening?

Belief comes from many factors, past experiences help yes but that's not all. Common sense and faith are involved to. A human if they have no past experiences will blindly trust others, as seen in babies and infants. As the years go on however they, through experiences and common sense, will no longer do as such.

Yes but it seems all you are saying there, is that belief is based on experience. A puppy will approach someone ready to play unless he experiences reason to do otherwise.

When trust is betrayed, belief is almost never restored. Unless the memory of the betrayal is forgotten.

Not true, there are many cases of people having faith in others and repeatedly trusting humans, animals, machines etc.

Having what faith in others? And what cases might that be?

So "what" to believe maybe based on what to trust, as in source of common sensibilities and persons expressing their experience so that someone else wouldn"t have to experience the same. But that seems to be no change, one believes someone else, to prevent or exploit the same experience. One would be doing that same as the child, only choosing different things and sources to believe, and or trust. And who or what to believe is still chosen based on what is valued.

Again this is also not true.

How is it, that it's not true?

It seems that it"s a, who or what do you trust, for the fulfillment of expectation, and that expectation is based on the heart that is focused on what is valued the most.

Bye heart I'm assuming what your emotions find the most valued. While most of this is true it is not always the case as many expect nothing from others.

Emotions are, but one's emotions are toward what is valued the most. Fulfillment and loose in those expectations are experienced all the time. A woman losses a shoe she might be a little disappointed for that day, she losses her child to a car accident and you will see what is valued, as in where the heart is. Which has nothing to do with expectation placed in others.


And it seems that we are born into a life that requires trust/belief, but what instruction of life to life should be believed, if one values life?

LIfe does not require trust or belief, I know of people who neither believe in or trust anything.

You have to trust what you see, to take a step forward, you have to trust that the food you eat is good for consumption. And you have to trust the kitchen in a pizza shop in order to eat the pizza they just made. If you don"t trust in the information you need to cross a busy street, you will not cross it. Planets, and suns don"t trust anything, nor is believing require for them to be and continue to be. But living things must believe and or trust something, to continue to be living.
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12/4/2015 10:15:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/3/2015 4:37:08 PM, DPMartin wrote:
Exactly what does it take to believe? Is experience, and or, trust required? If one turns the door nob, then one expects to be able to open the door. Is belief the reason for the fulfillment of the door opening?

I believe that a number of factor constitute one's belief, inclusive of:
Brain structure (nature)
Brain development (nurture)
-Sub categories:
psychology
politics
style
religion
social placement
academics
profession

All of which are inter-dependent
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12/5/2015 4:59:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/4/2015 10:15:13 PM, ironslippers wrote:
At 12/3/2015 4:37:08 PM, DPMartin wrote:
Exactly what does it take to believe? Is experience, and or, trust required? If one turns the door nob, then one expects to be able to open the door. Is belief the reason for the fulfillment of the door opening?

I believe that a number of factor constitute one's belief, inclusive of:
Brain structure (nature)
Brain development (nurture)
-Sub categories:
psychology
politics
style
religion
social placement
academics
profession

All of which are inter-dependent

Na, it"s more like the other way around, what you have mentioned here is based on, and in many cases the result of what people believe and or trust individually and as a social norm.