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Thought experiment: who's the best person?

Benshapiro
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1/5/2016 11:02:39 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
President: very powerful but has not helped nor hurt anyone. Average looks, salary, and intellect.

Chess grandmaster: Very intelligent but prideful and boastful about it. Average looks. Average salary.

Homeless man: Ugly, poor, unintelligent, weak, but compassionate and generous.

Office secretary: Won 1st place in a state-wide beauty contest but has secretly been unfaithful to her husband for years. Average salary. Average intelligence.

Lottery winner: Very rich. Apathetic and dispassionate towards everyone. Average intellect and average looks.

Who is the best person? I've left the definition of "best" vague on purpose.
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1/6/2016 12:10:51 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/5/2016 11:02:39 PM, Benshapiro wrote:

Might as well frame this question as what it actually is:
What characteristic do you subjectively value most in a person?

President: very powerful but has not helped nor hurt anyone. Average looks, salary, and intellect.
Power

Chess grandmaster: Very intelligent but prideful and boastful about it. Average looks. Average salary.
Intelligence

Homeless man: Ugly, poor, unintelligent, weak, but compassionate and generous.
Compassion

Office secretary: Won 1st place in a state-wide beauty contest but has secretly been unfaithful to her husband for years. Average salary. Average intelligence.
Beauty

Lottery winner: Very rich. Apathetic and dispassionate towards everyone. Average intellect and average looks.
Wealth

Who is the best person? I've left the definition of "best" vague on purpose.

Obviously, most people are going to pick "compassion" i.e. the homeless man, because that's what our society's ideal of a virtuous person is.
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1/6/2016 3:28:47 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/5/2016 11:02:39 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
President: very powerful but has not helped nor hurt anyone. Average looks, salary, and intellect.

Chess grandmaster: Very intelligent but prideful and boastful about it. Average looks. Average salary.

Homeless man: Ugly, poor, unintelligent, weak, but compassionate and generous.

Office secretary: Won 1st place in a state-wide beauty contest but has secretly been unfaithful to her husband for years. Average salary. Average intelligence.

Lottery winner: Very rich. Apathetic and dispassionate towards everyone. Average intellect and average looks.

Who is the best person? I've left the definition of "best" vague on purpose.

Homeless man, hands down. Next would be chess grandmaster and president. The other two are bad people.
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1/6/2016 4:10:33 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/5/2016 11:02:39 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
President: very powerful but has not helped nor hurt anyone. Average looks, salary, and intellect.

Chess grandmaster: Very intelligent but prideful and boastful about it. Average looks. Average salary.

Homeless man: Ugly, poor, unintelligent, weak, but compassionate and generous.

Office secretary: Won 1st place in a state-wide beauty contest but has secretly been unfaithful to her husband for years. Average salary. Average intelligence.

Lottery winner: Very rich. Apathetic and dispassionate towards everyone. Average intellect and average looks.

Who is the best person? I've left the definition of "best" vague on purpose.

I am. Then the person who pays the most tax over there life time. In that order.
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1/6/2016 10:02:06 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
I am going with President "hasn't helped or hurt anyone" Nothing to like or dislike.
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1/8/2016 11:22:51 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/5/2016 11:02:39 PM, Benshapiro wrote:

Who is the best person? I've left the definition of "best" vague on purpose.

A fish in the ocean is better than all of them, because none of those people can breathe underwater or swim for long periods of time. The fish is thus the best.
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1/9/2016 2:43:17 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
There is no one listed with intelligence and compassion. It would be the best of all. I'm more toward the Pres. due to the neutrality.
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1/9/2016 8:53:38 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
No good.

Don't tell us who they are, tell us what they've done or what they've promised to do.
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1/9/2016 11:38:11 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Personally I don't see any of them as the 'best' or 'better' than each other. Obviously, they have *different* things to offer. Even the lottery winner will have at least one redeeming quality.

It's entirely dependant on opinion and perspective.
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1/11/2016 6:07:34 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/9/2016 11:38:11 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Personally I don't see any of them as the 'best' or 'better' than each other. Obviously, they have *different* things to offer. Even the lottery winner will have at least one redeeming quality.

It's entirely dependant on opinion and perspective.
So I'm assuming this means you don't actually have an opinion on people being best or better. The question is asking you personally what your opinion is, there is no wrong answer.
I'm for the cheating wife. Sex without commitment can be best when you are already committed, in a relationship, not an asylum. Of course that would mean I'm a cheater unless we have an agreement....
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1/11/2016 7:44:39 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/11/2016 6:07:34 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 1/9/2016 11:38:11 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Personally I don't see any of them as the 'best' or 'better' than each other. Obviously, they have *different* things to offer. Even the lottery winner will have at least one redeeming quality.

It's entirely dependant on opinion and perspective.
So I'm assuming this means you don't actually have an opinion on people being best or better. The question is asking you personally what your opinion is, there is no wrong answer.
I'm for the cheating wife. Sex without commitment can be best when you are already committed, in a relationship, not an asylum. Of course that would mean I'm a cheater unless we have an agreement....

Wut
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1/11/2016 11:48:34 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/5/2016 11:02:39 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
President: very powerful but has not helped nor hurt anyone. Average looks, salary, and intellect.

Chess grandmaster: Very intelligent but prideful and boastful about it. Average looks. Average salary.

Homeless man: Ugly, poor, unintelligent, weak, but compassionate and generous.

Office secretary: Won 1st place in a state-wide beauty contest but has secretly been unfaithful to her husband for years. Average salary. Average intelligence.

Lottery winner: Very rich. Apathetic and dispassionate towards everyone. Average intellect and average looks.

Who is the best person? I've left the definition of "best" vague on purpose.

Depends on what your criteria for best is.

Sounds like you are playing the virtue card so I guess the homeless guy gets it on the compassionate and generous points.

Also we are only getting a small part of the story, Take that same homeless guy who among other things gets joy torturing small animals and suddenly his virtues don't really matter that much now..............
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1/11/2016 11:53:32 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/5/2016 11:02:39 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
President: very powerful but has not helped nor hurt anyone. Average looks, salary, and intellect.

Chess grandmaster: Very intelligent but prideful and boastful about it. Average looks. Average salary.

Homeless man: Ugly, poor, unintelligent, weak, but compassionate and generous.

Office secretary: Won 1st place in a state-wide beauty contest but has secretly been unfaithful to her husband for years. Average salary. Average intelligence.

Lottery winner: Very rich. Apathetic and dispassionate towards everyone. Average intellect and average looks.

Who is the best person? I've left the definition of "best" vague on purpose.

All you did was state what their underlying personalities were. There was nothing here about what they did. Without action there is no way to comment further.
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1/12/2016 1:53:49 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/11/2016 7:44:39 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 1/11/2016 6:07:34 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 1/9/2016 11:38:11 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Personally I don't see any of them as the 'best' or 'better' than each other. Obviously, they have *different* things to offer. Even the lottery winner will have at least one redeeming quality.

It's entirely dependant on opinion and perspective.
So I'm assuming this means you don't actually have an opinion on people being best or better. The question is asking you personally what your opinion is, there is no wrong answer.
I'm for the cheating wife. Sex without commitment can be best when you are already committed, in a relationship, not an asylum. Of course that would mean I'm a cheater unless we have an agreement....

Wut
Lol, fill in the obvious omissions. Cheating wife, best to me, why?, so I can cheat with her because I have an agreement with my significant other.
You didn't pick an answer so you don't think anyone is best, better, or bestest, lol.....Yet you seem to want to attribute a redeeming quality to one, the lottery winner. Which would negate it being a thought experiment. Claiming someone has something not stated takes away from the experiment. Charles Manson had a redeeming quality, he really loved the people who were his followers....lol I'm joking
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1/12/2016 2:59:47 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/12/2016 1:53:49 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 1/11/2016 7:44:39 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 1/11/2016 6:07:34 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 1/9/2016 11:38:11 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Personally I don't see any of them as the 'best' or 'better' than each other. Obviously, they have *different* things to offer. Even the lottery winner will have at least one redeeming quality.

It's entirely dependant on opinion and perspective.
So I'm assuming this means you don't actually have an opinion on people being best or better. The question is asking you personally what your opinion is, there is no wrong answer.
I'm for the cheating wife. Sex without commitment can be best when you are already committed, in a relationship, not an asylum. Of course that would mean I'm a cheater unless we have an agreement....

Wut
Lol, fill in the obvious omissions. Cheating wife, best to me, why?, so I can cheat with her because I have an agreement with my significant other.
You didn't pick an answer so you don't think anyone is best, better, or bestest, lol.....Yet you seem to want to attribute a redeeming quality to one, the lottery winner. Which would negate it being a thought experiment. Claiming someone has something not stated takes away from the experiment. Charles Manson had a redeeming quality, he really loved the people who were his followers....lol I'm joking

If you're engaging in other sexual relations *with* her agreement, then you're not technically 'cheating'. And I only said that the lottery winner, though they may be apathetic, is bound to have 'at least' one reedeeming quality. It can be argued that even the worst people have.

Once again though, I have no personal feelings on as to who I think is the best.
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1/13/2016 2:57:37 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/12/2016 2:59:47 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 1/12/2016 1:53:49 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 1/11/2016 7:44:39 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 1/11/2016 6:07:34 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 1/9/2016 11:38:11 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Personally I don't see any of them as the 'best' or 'better' than each other. Obviously, they have *different* things to offer. Even the lottery winner will have at least one redeeming quality.

It's entirely dependant on opinion and perspective.
So I'm assuming this means you don't actually have an opinion on people being best or better. The question is asking you personally what your opinion is, there is no wrong answer.
I'm for the cheating wife. Sex without commitment can be best when you are already committed, in a relationship, not an asylum. Of course that would mean I'm a cheater unless we have an agreement....

Wut
Lol, fill in the obvious omissions. Cheating wife, best to me, why?, so I can cheat with her because I have an agreement with my significant other.
You didn't pick an answer so you don't think anyone is best, better, or bestest, lol.....Yet you seem to want to attribute a redeeming quality to one, the lottery winner. Which would negate it being a thought experiment. Claiming someone has something not stated takes away from the experiment. Charles Manson had a redeeming quality, he really loved the people who were his followers....lol I'm joking

If you're engaging in other sexual relations *with* her agreement, then you're not technically 'cheating'. And I only said that the lottery winner, though they may be apathetic, is bound to have 'at least' one reedeeming quality. It can be argued that even the worst people have.
She's cheating, therefore I'm cheating with her. All it takes is one cheater to be a part of cheating..
Once again though, I have no personal feelings on as to who I think is the best.
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1/15/2016 11:18:29 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/5/2016 11:02:39 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
President: very powerful but has not helped nor hurt anyone. Average looks, salary, and intellect.
He doesn't use his power, his only good quality. That's an OK person.
Chess grandmaster: Very intelligent but prideful and boastful about it. Average looks. Average salary.
I highly value intelligence (maybe I'm a bit too prideful), so I think that outweighs his negative qualities.
Homeless man: Ugly, poor, unintelligent, weak, but compassionate and generous.
If he's poor, what good is generosity? He has some potential, but he's not that good of a person.
Office secretary: Won 1st place in a state-wide beauty contest but has secretly been unfaithful to her husband for years. Average salary. Average intelligence.
Looks have nothing to do with how good someone is. She's a bad person.
Lottery winner: Very rich. Apathetic and dispassionate towards everyone. Average intellect and average looks.
Considering how he treats other people, he won't use his money well. He's a bad person.
Who is the best person? I've left the definition of "best" vague on purpose.
I guess the chess grandmaster is the best person.
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2/1/2016 12:57:22 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/5/2016 11:02:39 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
President: very powerful but has not helped nor hurt anyone. Average looks, salary, and intellect.

Chess grandmaster: Very intelligent but prideful and boastful about it. Average looks. Average salary.

Homeless man: Ugly, poor, unintelligent, weak, but compassionate and generous.

Office secretary: Won 1st place in a state-wide beauty contest but has secretly been unfaithful to her husband for years. Average salary. Average intelligence.

Lottery winner: Very rich. Apathetic and dispassionate towards everyone. Average intellect and average looks.

Who is the best person? I've left the definition of "best" vague on purpose.

A president who hasn't helped isn't doing his job.
Chess Grandmaster- Nothing of relevance, not enough info.
Homeless- A generous person with nothing to give is irrelevant. Compassion is irrelevant. Nothing of relevance, not enough info.
Office Secretary- Is a liar and/or cheat.
Lottery Winner- Sounds like the best person here. Or, rather, the least worse person.
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2/11/2016 3:13:08 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/5/2016 11:02:39 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
President: very powerful but has not helped nor hurt anyone. Average looks, salary, and intellect.

Chess grandmaster: Very intelligent but prideful and boastful about it. Average looks. Average salary.

Homeless man: Ugly, poor, unintelligent, weak, but compassionate and generous.

Office secretary: Won 1st place in a state-wide beauty contest but has secretly been unfaithful to her husband for years. Average salary. Average intelligence.

Lottery winner: Very rich. Apathetic and dispassionate towards everyone. Average intellect and average looks.

Who is the best person? I've left the definition of "best" vague on purpose.

Ben , it's been over 1 month now . Who was the best person , for what and why?
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2/11/2016 10:09:40 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 3:13:08 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 1/5/2016 11:02:39 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
President: very powerful but has not helped nor hurt anyone. Average looks, salary, and intellect.

Chess grandmaster: Very intelligent but prideful and boastful about it. Average looks. Average salary.

Homeless man: Ugly, poor, unintelligent, weak, but compassionate and generous.

Office secretary: Won 1st place in a state-wide beauty contest but has secretly been unfaithful to her husband for years. Average salary. Average intelligence.

Lottery winner: Very rich. Apathetic and dispassionate towards everyone. Average intellect and average looks.

Who is the best person? I've left the definition of "best" vague on purpose.

Ben , it's been over 1 month now . Who was the best person , for what and why?

There's not really a correct answer. It depends on which virtue you hold in highest regard. I think most of us recognize that an accomplished life isn't based on worldly achievements. That gets rid of the president, lottery winner, and office secretary. So it's left between the bum and the chess grandmaster. Raw intellect vs moral character. The bum obviously has better moral character and the grandmaster is much smarter. What makes a person great? If you were to die and look back on everything you considered to be worthwhile or good what are you left looking at? What would be best? Despite a deficit in every other area, true greatness is a measure of moral character in my opinion. I'd choose the bum.