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Cody_Franklin
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2/21/2016 12:44:37 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
In this thread, I want to focus specifically on non-western philosophers, scientists, or other prominent intellectual figures. Much of our discourse, for fairly obvious reasons, hinges on our total immersion in the thought of American and European intellectuals. A comparative pittance in attention is paid to e.g., Asian and African thought, and certainly to Arab thought--indeed, exposure to these traditions is often mediated in academia by the establishment of distinct departments and programs. I myself can admit to possessing a pathetic background knowledge on the subject. Instead of integrating influential non-western thinkers directly into a department's set of curricula, they instead are often quietly relegated to a handful of courses in the various ___________ Studies departments.

But this is neither the time nor the place for politics or social justice. In this thread, we pay our respects to those non-western thinkers we admire (or who, at any rate, have had any kind of influence on us).

Immediately springing to my mind are Frantz Fanon, Ibn Khaldun, and Zhuangzi.
R0b1Billion
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2/21/2016 1:13:31 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
"Earth, moon, and stars revolve inside of me."
- Baba Muktananda

""I am" is the name of God. God is none other than the self."
- Ramana Maharshi
Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.
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2/25/2016 4:34:56 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Wow Cody this post is red hot. Lol maybe these new guys don't care about us old timers to the site! Anyway I got one more, sorry they are not more in depth but I haven't studies many Eastern philosophers either.

God sleeps in the rock, dreams in the plant, stirs in the animal, and awakens in man.
-Ibn al'Arabi
Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.
Skepsikyma
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2/25/2016 5:50:50 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 2/21/2016 12:44:37 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
In this thread, I want to focus specifically on non-western philosophers, scientists, or other prominent intellectual figures. Much of our discourse, for fairly obvious reasons, hinges on our total immersion in the thought of American and European intellectuals. A comparative pittance in attention is paid to e.g., Asian and African thought, and certainly to Arab thought--indeed, exposure to these traditions is often mediated in academia by the establishment of distinct departments and programs. I myself can admit to possessing a pathetic background knowledge on the subject. Instead of integrating influential non-western thinkers directly into a department's set of curricula, they instead are often quietly relegated to a handful of courses in the various ___________ Studies departments.

But this is neither the time nor the place for politics or social justice. In this thread, we pay our respects to those non-western thinkers we admire (or who, at any rate, have had any kind of influence on us).

Immediately springing to my mind are Frantz Fanon, Ibn Khaldun, and Zhuangzi.

Khalil Gibran, Ibn Khaldun, Attar of Nishapur, Rabia Basri, Rumi, Yamamoto Tsunetomo, Miyamoto Musashi, Muhammad, Sun Tzu, Laozi, Mozi, Bodhidharma, Siddhartha Gautama, and Chanakya.
"Whatever else is evil, the pride of a good mother in the beauty of her daughter is good. It is one of those adamantine tendernesses which are the touchstones of every age and race. If other things are against it, other things must go down. If landlords and laws and sciences are against it, landlords and laws and sciences must go down. With the red hair of one she-urchin in the gutter I will set fire to all modern civilization."
- G. K. Chesterton -
Bob13
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2/27/2016 5:31:07 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/21/2016 12:44:37 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
In this thread, I want to focus specifically on non-western philosophers, scientists, or other prominent intellectual figures. Much of our discourse, for fairly obvious reasons, hinges on our total immersion in the thought of American and European intellectuals. A comparative pittance in attention is paid to e.g., Asian and African thought, and certainly to Arab thought--indeed, exposure to these traditions is often mediated in academia by the establishment of distinct departments and programs. I myself can admit to possessing a pathetic background knowledge on the subject. Instead of integrating influential non-western thinkers directly into a department's set of curricula, they instead are often quietly relegated to a handful of courses in the various ___________ Studies departments.

But this is neither the time nor the place for politics or social justice. In this thread, we pay our respects to those non-western thinkers we admire (or who, at any rate, have had any kind of influence on us).

Immediately springing to my mind are Frantz Fanon, Ibn Khaldun, and Zhuangzi.

Confucius, Al-Kindi, Al-Ghazali, Muhammad Iqbal.
I don't have a signature. :-)
Bob13
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2/28/2016 5:10:29 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/28/2016 12:17:35 AM, BlueDreams wrote:
Nietzsche, Camus, , Russel, James, Quentin Smith, Shelly Kagan

These are western philosophers.
I don't have a signature. :-)
BlueDreams
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2/28/2016 5:23:39 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/28/2016 5:10:29 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/28/2016 12:17:35 AM, BlueDreams wrote:
Nietzsche, Camus, , Russel, James, Quentin Smith, Shelly Kagan

These are western philosophers.

I know.
Bob13
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2/28/2016 5:39:07 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/28/2016 5:23:39 PM, BlueDreams wrote:
At 2/28/2016 5:10:29 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/28/2016 12:17:35 AM, BlueDreams wrote:
Nietzsche, Camus, , Russel, James, Quentin Smith, Shelly Kagan

These are western philosophers.

I know.

This thread is focusing on non-western thinkers.
I don't have a signature. :-)
BlueDreams
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2/28/2016 6:00:07 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/28/2016 5:39:07 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/28/2016 5:23:39 PM, BlueDreams wrote:
At 2/28/2016 5:10:29 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/28/2016 12:17:35 AM, BlueDreams wrote:
Nietzsche, Camus, , Russel, James, Quentin Smith, Shelly Kagan

These are western philosophers.

I know.

This thread is focusing on non-western thinkers.

I know. I'm making a point.
UtherPenguin
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2/28/2016 6:11:28 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
AL Ghazali, Sunzi, Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibnul Qayyim (I swear I'm not a Salafi), Confucius.
"Arms are weak, mom's spaghetti"
-Plato
Bob13
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2/28/2016 6:14:02 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/28/2016 6:00:07 PM, BlueDreams wrote:
At 2/28/2016 5:39:07 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/28/2016 5:23:39 PM, BlueDreams wrote:
At 2/28/2016 5:10:29 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/28/2016 12:17:35 AM, BlueDreams wrote:
Nietzsche, Camus, , Russel, James, Quentin Smith, Shelly Kagan

These are western philosophers.

I know.

This thread is focusing on non-western thinkers.

I know. I'm making a point.

What point are you trying to make?
I don't have a signature. :-)
BlueDreams
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2/28/2016 7:23:35 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/28/2016 6:14:02 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:00:07 PM, BlueDreams wrote:
At 2/28/2016 5:39:07 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/28/2016 5:23:39 PM, BlueDreams wrote:
At 2/28/2016 5:10:29 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/28/2016 12:17:35 AM, BlueDreams wrote:
Nietzsche, Camus, , Russel, James, Quentin Smith, Shelly Kagan

These are western philosophers.

I know.

This thread is focusing on non-western thinkers.

I know. I'm making a point.

What point are you trying to make?

That I don't really care for Eastern philosophy too much.
Fkkize
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2/28/2016 9:24:58 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/28/2016 7:23:35 PM, BlueDreams wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:14:02 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/28/2016 6:00:07 PM, BlueDreams wrote:
At 2/28/2016 5:39:07 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/28/2016 5:23:39 PM, BlueDreams wrote:
At 2/28/2016 5:10:29 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/28/2016 12:17:35 AM, BlueDreams wrote:
Nietzsche, Camus, , Russel, James, Quentin Smith, Shelly Kagan

These are western philosophers.

I know.

This thread is focusing on non-western thinkers.

I know. I'm making a point.

What point are you trying to make?

That I don't really care for Eastern philosophy too much.

I mean, I get that western philosophy is, well, focused on western thought, but at least I have not got much out of non-western thinkers.
It seems to me that it's either some nice life advice or esotericism.

However I just might be a total shitlord.
ShabShoral
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3/9/2016 11:56:32 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/25/2016 5:50:50 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 2/21/2016 12:44:37 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
In this thread, I want to focus specifically on non-western philosophers, scientists, or other prominent intellectual figures. Much of our discourse, for fairly obvious reasons, hinges on our total immersion in the thought of American and European intellectuals. A comparative pittance in attention is paid to e.g., Asian and African thought, and certainly to Arab thought--indeed, exposure to these traditions is often mediated in academia by the establishment of distinct departments and programs. I myself can admit to possessing a pathetic background knowledge on the subject. Instead of integrating influential non-western thinkers directly into a department's set of curricula, they instead are often quietly relegated to a handful of courses in the various ___________ Studies departments.

But this is neither the time nor the place for politics or social justice. In this thread, we pay our respects to those non-western thinkers we admire (or who, at any rate, have had any kind of influence on us).

Immediately springing to my mind are Frantz Fanon, Ibn Khaldun, and Zhuangzi.

Khalil Gibran

DUDE

A month or so ago I was in a Starbucks and this guy struck up a conversation about philosophy. He went on for TWO HOURS about the most stereotypically woo-stoner-mystic-conspiracy type stuff and he constantly recited Khalil Gibran quotes. He had like 30. EVERY TIME he would introduce him as "Khalil Gibran, Lebanese savant," without fail. I cannot hear that name without thinking of him.
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Skepsikyma
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3/9/2016 11:59:05 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 3/9/2016 11:56:32 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 2/25/2016 5:50:50 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 2/21/2016 12:44:37 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
In this thread, I want to focus specifically on non-western philosophers, scientists, or other prominent intellectual figures. Much of our discourse, for fairly obvious reasons, hinges on our total immersion in the thought of American and European intellectuals. A comparative pittance in attention is paid to e.g., Asian and African thought, and certainly to Arab thought--indeed, exposure to these traditions is often mediated in academia by the establishment of distinct departments and programs. I myself can admit to possessing a pathetic background knowledge on the subject. Instead of integrating influential non-western thinkers directly into a department's set of curricula, they instead are often quietly relegated to a handful of courses in the various ___________ Studies departments.

But this is neither the time nor the place for politics or social justice. In this thread, we pay our respects to those non-western thinkers we admire (or who, at any rate, have had any kind of influence on us).

Immediately springing to my mind are Frantz Fanon, Ibn Khaldun, and Zhuangzi.

Khalil Gibran

DUDE

A month or so ago I was in a Starbucks and this guy struck up a conversation about philosophy. He went on for TWO HOURS about the most stereotypically woo-stoner-mystic-conspiracy type stuff and he constantly recited Khalil Gibran quotes. He had like 30. EVERY TIME he would introduce him as "Khalil Gibran, Lebanese savant," without fail. I cannot hear that name without thinking of him.

LOL, 'Lebanese savant'? He was a good poet, but that's a bit excessive.
"Whatever else is evil, the pride of a good mother in the beauty of her daughter is good. It is one of those adamantine tendernesses which are the touchstones of every age and race. If other things are against it, other things must go down. If landlords and laws and sciences are against it, landlords and laws and sciences must go down. With the red hair of one she-urchin in the gutter I will set fire to all modern civilization."
- G. K. Chesterton -
ShabShoral
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3/10/2016 1:14:57 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 3/9/2016 11:59:05 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/9/2016 11:56:32 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 2/25/2016 5:50:50 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 2/21/2016 12:44:37 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
In this thread, I want to focus specifically on non-western philosophers, scientists, or other prominent intellectual figures. Much of our discourse, for fairly obvious reasons, hinges on our total immersion in the thought of American and European intellectuals. A comparative pittance in attention is paid to e.g., Asian and African thought, and certainly to Arab thought--indeed, exposure to these traditions is often mediated in academia by the establishment of distinct departments and programs. I myself can admit to possessing a pathetic background knowledge on the subject. Instead of integrating influential non-western thinkers directly into a department's set of curricula, they instead are often quietly relegated to a handful of courses in the various ___________ Studies departments.

But this is neither the time nor the place for politics or social justice. In this thread, we pay our respects to those non-western thinkers we admire (or who, at any rate, have had any kind of influence on us).

Immediately springing to my mind are Frantz Fanon, Ibn Khaldun, and Zhuangzi.

Khalil Gibran

DUDE

A month or so ago I was in a Starbucks and this guy struck up a conversation about philosophy. He went on for TWO HOURS about the most stereotypically woo-stoner-mystic-conspiracy type stuff and he constantly recited Khalil Gibran quotes. He had like 30. EVERY TIME he would introduce him as "Khalil Gibran, Lebanese savant," without fail. I cannot hear that name without thinking of him.

LOL, 'Lebanese savant'? He was a good poet, but that's a bit excessive.

This is the guy's blog... he is, by definition, an excessive person.

I dig his taste in fountain pens though.

http://tinyurl.com...
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"Your idea of good writing is like Spinoza mixed with Heidegger."

~ Dylly Dylly Cat Cat

"You seem to aspire to be a cross between a Jewish hipster, an old school WASP aristocrat, and a political iconoclast"

~ Thett the Mighty

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~ SardonicPerson
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3/12/2016 1:52:26 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 3/9/2016 11:59:05 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
LOL, 'Lebanese savant'? He was a good poet, but that's a bit excessive.

He was excessive.

https://youtu.be...
"Still rock my khakis with a cuff and a crease"

~ Dr. Dre

"This site is trash as a debate site. It's club penguin for dysfunctional adults."

~ Skepsikyma <3

"Your idea of good writing is like Spinoza mixed with Heidegger."

~ Dylly Dylly Cat Cat

"You seem to aspire to be a cross between a Jewish hipster, an old school WASP aristocrat, and a political iconoclast"

~ Thett the Mighty

"I don't think you'll have children anyway, Shab"

~ SardonicPerson
Skepsikyma
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3/12/2016 1:57:40 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 3/12/2016 1:52:26 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 3/9/2016 11:59:05 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
LOL, 'Lebanese savant'? He was a good poet, but that's a bit excessive.

He was excessive.

https://youtu.be...

I liked the part where he said 'you know'.

LOL, I could see you cringing when he said that he wanted to have his cake and eat it too.
"Whatever else is evil, the pride of a good mother in the beauty of her daughter is good. It is one of those adamantine tendernesses which are the touchstones of every age and race. If other things are against it, other things must go down. If landlords and laws and sciences are against it, landlords and laws and sciences must go down. With the red hair of one she-urchin in the gutter I will set fire to all modern civilization."
- G. K. Chesterton -
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3/12/2016 2:09:55 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 3/9/2016 11:56:32 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 2/25/2016 5:50:50 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 2/21/2016 12:44:37 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
In this thread, I want to focus specifically on non-western philosophers, scientists, or other prominent intellectual figures. Much of our discourse, for fairly obvious reasons, hinges on our total immersion in the thought of American and European intellectuals. A comparative pittance in attention is paid to e.g., Asian and African thought, and certainly to Arab thought--indeed, exposure to these traditions is often mediated in academia by the establishment of distinct departments and programs. I myself can admit to possessing a pathetic background knowledge on the subject. Instead of integrating influential non-western thinkers directly into a department's set of curricula, they instead are often quietly relegated to a handful of courses in the various ___________ Studies departments.

But this is neither the time nor the place for politics or social justice. In this thread, we pay our respects to those non-western thinkers we admire (or who, at any rate, have had any kind of influence on us).

Immediately springing to my mind are Frantz Fanon, Ibn Khaldun, and Zhuangzi.

Khalil Gibran

DUDE

A month or so ago I was in a Starbucks and this guy struck up a conversation about philosophy. He went on for TWO HOURS about the most stereotypically woo-stoner-mystic-conspiracy type stuff and he constantly recited Khalil Gibran quotes. He had like 30. EVERY TIME he would introduce him as "Khalil Gibran, Lebanese savant," without fail. I cannot hear that name without thinking of him.

He's like Johhny Asia's less intelligent, more crazy cousin.
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3/12/2016 2:17:56 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 3/12/2016 1:57:40 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/12/2016 1:52:26 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 3/9/2016 11:59:05 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
LOL, 'Lebanese savant'? He was a good poet, but that's a bit excessive.

He was excessive.

https://youtu.be...

I liked the part where he said 'you know'.

LOL, I could see you cringing when he said that he wanted to have his cake and eat it too.

I was totally speechless for the length of this... I just wanted him to keep talking to see what else he could come up with.
"Still rock my khakis with a cuff and a crease"

~ Dr. Dre

"This site is trash as a debate site. It's club penguin for dysfunctional adults."

~ Skepsikyma <3

"Your idea of good writing is like Spinoza mixed with Heidegger."

~ Dylly Dylly Cat Cat

"You seem to aspire to be a cross between a Jewish hipster, an old school WASP aristocrat, and a political iconoclast"

~ Thett the Mighty

"I don't think you'll have children anyway, Shab"

~ SardonicPerson
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3/12/2016 4:42:09 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Jose Rizal.
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I have a 10-0-0 debate record with an ELO ranking of 2,814. From 610th during my first two-week stay, I am now 326th in the Debates Leaderboard: http://www.debate.org...
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3/13/2016 11:18:50 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/21/2016 12:44:37 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
In this thread, I want to focus specifically on non-western philosophers, scientists, or other prominent intellectual figures. Much of our discourse, for fairly obvious reasons, hinges on our total immersion in the thought of American and European intellectuals. A comparative pittance in attention is paid to e.g., Asian and African thought, and certainly to Arab thought--indeed, exposure to these traditions is often mediated in academia by the establishment of distinct departments and programs. I myself can admit to possessing a pathetic background knowledge on the subject. Instead of integrating influential non-western thinkers directly into a department's set of curricula, they instead are often quietly relegated to a handful of courses in the various ___________ Studies departments.

But this is neither the time nor the place for politics or social justice. In this thread, we pay our respects to those non-western thinkers we admire (or who, at any rate, have had any kind of influence on us).

Immediately springing to my mind are Frantz Fanon, Ibn Khaldun, and Zhuangzi.

I like Nassim Taleb.