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4/1/2016 6:59:09 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

I dont know how someone would disprove something like that
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4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 6:59:09 PM, difference wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

I dont know how someone would disprove something like that

There are hundreds and hundreds of religions around the world.

Christianity is just one of man's inventions.

Logic is how.
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4/1/2016 8:52:21 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:59:09 PM, difference wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

I dont know how someone would disprove something like that

There are hundreds and hundreds of religions around the world.

Christianity is just one of man's inventions.

Logic is how.

Then how about no religion?
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: space contradicts logic
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4/1/2016 8:53:11 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
Logic is how.
Cool. Care to demonstrate?
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4/1/2016 9:03:46 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:59:09 PM, difference wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

I dont know how someone would disprove something like that

There are hundreds and hundreds of religions around the world.

Christianity is just one of man's inventions.

Logic is how.

Logic is feeble at best, computers are logic, and they are simply garbage in garbage out systems. If you but bogus info in it, it will spit out bogus info. Human"s views and uses of logic are the same way, and the computer is the proof of that because computers are man made according to man"s logic. That is the true essence of logic. Why so many want to make logic their god I have no idea, unless they want to make their own god according to themselves like the many generations of man before who had everything under the sun as a god of some sort. Now it"s the way man likes to process logic is now god for some.

The true Living God isn"t proved by anything, especially man"s notions on logic. What supersedes Almighty that would prove God? It is the true and Living Almighty that proves men. Is there evidence sure but note both sides of the argument use, what is that? oh yea logic and their own reasoning to assess the validity of their thinking, in the light or darkness of their own views. No God involved there is there? the only way there would be proof that there is a God is that He would reveal Himself in a manner that the person would believe.
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4/2/2016 12:06:11 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 8:52:21 PM, Fkkize wrote:
At 4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:59:09 PM, difference wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

I dont know how someone would disprove something like that

There are hundreds and hundreds of religions around the world.

Christianity is just one of man's inventions.

Logic is how.

Then how about no religion?

Wat?
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4/2/2016 12:07:29 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 8:53:11 PM, someloser wrote:
At 4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
Logic is how.
Cool. Care to demonstrate?

Read post #3.

Btw i can disprove it in 2 seconds.
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4/2/2016 12:14:32 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 9:03:46 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:59:09 PM, difference wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

I dont know how someone would disprove something like that

There are hundreds and hundreds of religions around the world.

Christianity is just one of man's inventions.

Logic is how.


Logic is feeble at best, computers are logic, and they are simply garbage in garbage out systems. If you but bogus info in it, it will spit out bogus info. Human"s views and uses of logic are the same way, and the computer is the proof of that because computers are man made according to man"s logic. That is the true essence of logic. Why so many want to make logic their god I have no idea, unless they want to make their own god according to themselves like the many generations of man before who had everything under the sun as a god of some sort. Now it"s the way man likes to process logic is now god for some.

The true Living God isn"t proved by anything, especially man"s notions on logic. What supersedes Almighty that would prove God? It is the true and Living Almighty that proves men. Is there evidence sure but note both sides of the argument use, what is that? oh yea logic and their own reasoning to assess the validity of their thinking, in the light or darkness of their own views. No God involved there is there? the only way there would be proof that there is a God is that He would reveal Himself in a manner that the person would believe.

Or you could use logic which is reason.

Any logic if sound is 100% certain.

I am working on a logical argument
proving god's existense.

I am studing the "dark arts" like Cecil in FF4.

Metal must be met with metal.

Logic with logic.
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4/2/2016 12:17:07 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/2/2016 12:07:29 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:53:11 PM, someloser wrote:
At 4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
Logic is how.
Cool. Care to demonstrate?

Read post #3.
OK, done. What about it?
Btw i can disprove it in 2 seconds.
Do it
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4/2/2016 12:58:20 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:59:09 PM, difference wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

I dont know how someone would disprove something like that

There are hundreds and hundreds of religions around the world.

Christianity is just one of man's inventions.

Logic is how.

The hundreds of religions don't disprove each other though or really discredit each other.
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4/2/2016 3:08:04 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/2/2016 12:14:32 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 9:03:46 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:59:09 PM, difference wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

I dont know how someone would disprove something like that

There are hundreds and hundreds of religions around the world.

Christianity is just one of man's inventions.

Logic is how.


Logic is feeble at best, computers are logic, and they are simply garbage in garbage out systems. If you but bogus info in it, it will spit out bogus info. Human"s views and uses of logic are the same way, and the computer is the proof of that because computers are man made according to man"s logic. That is the true essence of logic. Why so many want to make logic their god I have no idea, unless they want to make their own god according to themselves like the many generations of man before who had everything under the sun as a god of some sort. Now it"s the way man likes to process logic is now god for some.

The true Living God isn"t proved by anything, especially man"s notions on logic. What supersedes Almighty that would prove God? It is the true and Living Almighty that proves men. Is there evidence sure but note both sides of the argument use, what is that? oh yea logic and their own reasoning to assess the validity of their thinking, in the light or darkness of their own views. No God involved there is there? the only way there would be proof that there is a God is that He would reveal Himself in a manner that the person would believe.

Or you could use logic which is reason.

Any logic if sound is 100% certain.

I am working on a logical argument
proving god's existense.

I am studing the "dark arts" like Cecil in FF4.

Metal must be met with metal.
Prove it
Logic with logic.
Prove it
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4/2/2016 5:27:09 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/2/2016 12:17:07 AM, someloser wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:07:29 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:53:11 PM, someloser wrote:
At 4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
Logic is how.
Cool. Care to demonstrate?

Read post #3.
OK, done. What about it?
Btw i can disprove it in 2 seconds.
Do it

It is a logical argument attacking christianity.

If unopposed, in an argument you would lose.

Yes it can be disproved but you have to do it.

That hurts the chance of god's existense.

Ok, to disprove it.

The christian god is the only one with perfect morals.

Btw the jewish god and christian god are the same god.

I can support my point but don't feel like it right now.
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4/2/2016 5:30:17 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/2/2016 3:08:04 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:14:32 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 9:03:46 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:59:09 PM, difference wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

I dont know how someone would disprove something like that

There are hundreds and hundreds of religions around the world.

Christianity is just one of man's inventions.

Logic is how.


Logic is feeble at best, computers are logic, and they are simply garbage in garbage out systems. If you but bogus info in it, it will spit out bogus info. Human"s views and uses of logic are the same way, and the computer is the proof of that because computers are man made according to man"s logic. That is the true essence of logic. Why so many want to make logic their god I have no idea, unless they want to make their own god according to themselves like the many generations of man before who had everything under the sun as a god of some sort. Now it"s the way man likes to process logic is now god for some.

The true Living God isn"t proved by anything, especially man"s notions on logic. What supersedes Almighty that would prove God? It is the true and Living Almighty that proves men. Is there evidence sure but note both sides of the argument use, what is that? oh yea logic and their own reasoning to assess the validity of their thinking, in the light or darkness of their own views. No God involved there is there? the only way there would be proof that there is a God is that He would reveal Himself in a manner that the person would believe.

Or you could use logic which is reason.

Any logic if sound is 100% certain.

I am working on a logical argument
proving god's existense.

I am studing the "dark arts" like Cecil in FF4.

Metal must be met with metal.
Prove it
Logic with logic.
Prove it

When the spanish conquered the Aztecs
it was because the Aztecs were no match
for the armor and swords.

In the same way pathos is no match for reason.
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4/2/2016 5:51:23 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/2/2016 5:30:17 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/2/2016 3:08:04 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:14:32 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 9:03:46 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 4/1/2016 7:14:47 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:59:09 PM, difference wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

I dont know how someone would disprove something like that

There are hundreds and hundreds of religions around the world.

Christianity is just one of man's inventions.

Logic is how.


Logic is feeble at best, computers are logic, and they are simply garbage in garbage out systems. If you but bogus info in it, it will spit out bogus info. Human"s views and uses of logic are the same way, and the computer is the proof of that because computers are man made according to man"s logic. That is the true essence of logic. Why so many want to make logic their god I have no idea, unless they want to make their own god according to themselves like the many generations of man before who had everything under the sun as a god of some sort. Now it"s the way man likes to process logic is now god for some.

The true Living God isn"t proved by anything, especially man"s notions on logic. What supersedes Almighty that would prove God? It is the true and Living Almighty that proves men. Is there evidence sure but note both sides of the argument use, what is that? oh yea logic and their own reasoning to assess the validity of their thinking, in the light or darkness of their own views. No God involved there is there? the only way there would be proof that there is a God is that He would reveal Himself in a manner that the person would believe.

Or you could use logic which is reason.

Any logic if sound is 100% certain.

I am working on a logical argument
proving god's existense.

I am studing the "dark arts" like Cecil in FF4.

Metal must be met with metal.
Prove it
Logic with logic.
Prove it

When the spanish conquered the Aztecs
it was because the Aztecs were no match
for the armor and swords.
Biased sample fallacy...confusing cause and effect. Simply put, if the Aztecs had 10 times more people it is possible they would have won so their population might be why they lost. You just can't prove that the armor and swords are the only reason for winning.
In the same way pathos is no match for reason.
So you have no proof, just ad nauseam fallacies, gotcha.
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4/3/2016 7:54:55 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

You would need to establish your particular interpretation of the Bible before an argument could be formed against it. Is the Christian god benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or perfect? Does the Christian god allow free will? Is Hell a place of eternal torment, a place absent god, or an alternative term for oblivion? Are stories such as the great flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Exodus, or creation to be taken literally? I'll be happy to participate if you'll answer these questions.
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4/3/2016 8:44:25 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/3/2016 7:54:55 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

You would need to establish your particular interpretation of the Bible before an argument could be formed against it. Is the Christian god benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or perfect? Does the Christian god allow free will? Is Hell a place of eternal torment, a place absent god, or an alternative term for oblivion? Are stories such as the great flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Exodus, or creation to be taken literally? I'll be happy to participate if you'll answer these questions.

Has infinite and perfect traits.

Perfect morality.
Infinite power.

Pretty much yes to all of those.

Humans have free will.

Hell is eternal torment.

About litterally, note that the translation
of a word might be slightly different yet
mess it up a little.

Who really knows but i believe in all that the bible contains.

To be specific i would trust the KJV more.

To go to heaven you must believe
Jesus died on the cross for your sins.
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4/3/2016 4:42:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/3/2016 8:44:25 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 7:54:55 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

You would need to establish your particular interpretation of the Bible before an argument could be formed against it. Is the Christian god benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or perfect? Does the Christian god allow free will? Is Hell a place of eternal torment, a place absent god, or an alternative term for oblivion? Are stories such as the great flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Exodus, or creation to be taken literally? I'll be happy to participate if you'll answer these questions.

Has infinite and perfect traits.

Perfect morality.

I take it you mean his moral code never changes, and if so, why do we not allow rapists to marry their victims anymore? Why do we not condone slavery anymore? Additionally, how does a being with 'perfect morality' ever condone such things? Either the Christian god is not perfectly moral, someone was using his name to condone these things, and/or he doesn't exist.

Infinite power.

Pretty much yes to all of those.

Omnipotence: "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?" - Homer Simpson
Omniscience + omnipotence paradox: If god is all-knowing then god can't change his mind.

Humans have free will.

If god knows what we will do before we decide, then are we really free to decide or are we simply making predestined 'choices'?


Hell is eternal torment.

Hell as an eternal torment is an absurdity when the creator of it (and its victims) is said to be just, benevolent, and omniscient. Infinite punishment for finite crime is not just. What's worse, when the 'merciful/benevolent' creator knows who will be punished for eternity and creates them anyway. Hell, as a place of eternal torture) is a completely incoherent concept when coupled with a benevolent and just (all-knowing) creator.

About litterally, note that the translation
of a word might be slightly different yet
mess it up a little.

Okay, I'll take that as a 'yes'. A literal understanding of Sodom and Gomorrah, the Exodus, and the great flood all provide a reasonable expectation for evidence. In regards to Sodom and Gomorrah, we would expect contemporary writings about the destruction of two cities. No such thing. The Bible tells us these cities were destroyed with fire and brimstone. Brimstone is another name for sulfur, and it is quite easy to spot due to its yellow color. So is there evidence for the existence of cities destroyed in this manner? Nope. How about the Exodus? We would expect to find Egyptian records mentioning the death of a pharaoh or the death of every first born in the land. There are none. We would expect to find a lot of evidence for millions people living in the desert for 40 years, but again there is no evidence. How about the great flood? We would expect to find a relatively recent fossil layer which included modern animals (zebras, lions, tigers, wolves, giraffes, etc.) and modern humans. This fossil layer should be worldwide. In addition to this we, should expect to find a worldwide layer of pebbles, boulders, and sludge moved about by the flood. What do we find? Nothing like this - there is no fossil layer with 100,000's of modern fossils, and there is no sludge layer. So again, we have struck out.

These stories (in which God is said to have participated) either didn't happen as described by the Bible, or ...they just didn't happen.

Who really knows but i believe in all that the bible contains.

To be specific i would trust the KJV more.

To go to heaven you must believe
Jesus died on the cross for your sins
.

That sounds like a claim to me ...I thought you didn't want any burden ;-)
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4/3/2016 6:34:05 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/3/2016 4:42:56 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/3/2016 8:44:25 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 7:54:55 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

You would need to establish your particular interpretation of the Bible before an argument could be formed against it. Is the Christian god benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or perfect? Does the Christian god allow free will? Is Hell a place of eternal torment, a place absent god, or an alternative term for oblivion? Are stories such as the great flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Exodus, or creation to be taken literally? I'll be happy to participate if you'll answer these questions.

Has infinite and perfect traits.

Perfect morality.

I take it you mean his moral code never changes, and if so, why do we not allow rapists to marry their victims anymore? Why do we not condone slavery anymore? Additionally, how does a being with 'perfect morality' ever condone such things? Either the Christian god is not perfectly moral, someone was using his name to condone these things, and/or he doesn't exist.

Infinite power.

Pretty much yes to all of those.

Omnipotence: "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?" - Homer Simpson
Omniscience + omnipotence paradox: If god is all-knowing then god can't change his mind.

Humans have free will.

If god knows what we will do before we decide, then are we really free to decide or are we simply making predestined 'choices'?


Hell is eternal torment.

Hell as an eternal torment is an absurdity when the creator of it (and its victims) is said to be just, benevolent, and omniscient. Infinite punishment for finite crime is not just. What's worse, when the 'merciful/benevolent' creator knows who will be punished for eternity and creates them anyway. Hell, as a place of eternal torture) is a completely incoherent concept when coupled with a benevolent and just (all-knowing) creator.

About litterally, note that the translation
of a word might be slightly different yet
mess it up a little.

Okay, I'll take that as a 'yes'. A literal understanding of Sodom and Gomorrah, the Exodus, and the great flood all provide a reasonable expectation for evidence. In regards to Sodom and Gomorrah, we would expect contemporary writings about the destruction of two cities. No such thing. The Bible tells us these cities were destroyed with fire and brimstone. Brimstone is another name for sulfur, and it is quite easy to spot due to its yellow color. So is there evidence for the existence of cities destroyed in this manner? Nope. How about the Exodus? We would expect to find Egyptian records mentioning the death of a pharaoh or the death of every first born in the land. There are none. We would expect to find a lot of evidence for millions people living in the desert for 40 years, but again there is no evidence. How about the great flood? We would expect to find a relatively recent fossil layer which included modern animals (zebras, lions, tigers, wolves, giraffes, etc.) and modern humans. This fossil layer should be worldwide. In addition to this we, should expect to find a worldwide layer of pebbles, boulders, and sludge moved about by the flood. What do we find? Nothing like this - there is no fossil layer with 100,000's of modern fossils, and there is no sludge layer. So again, we have struck out.

These stories (in which God is said to have participated) either didn't happen as described by the Bible, or ...they just didn't happen.

Who really knows but i believe in all that the bible contains.

To be specific i would trust the KJV more.

To go to heaven you must believe
Jesus died on the cross for your sins
.

That sounds like a claim to me ...I thought you didn't want any burden ;-)

He doesn't, he isn't affecting it directly.

Also, stopping evil things would show he definately exists.

He doesn't want definately, he wants us to think maybe.

If not he would be kinda forcing us to follow him.

No matter how hot the burrito is made
he will still be able to eat it because
he can eat it no matter how hot it is.

This doesn't prove he is limited because
he can eat absolutely everything.

Why would he change his mind?

A perfect entity wouldn't.

He already knows all that will happen.

Also, just because he knows doesn't mean we know.

Everthing will happen according to his plan
but it is limited by the whole free will thing.

We don't know, we are still making choices.

He doesn't affect this.

Hell- Free will. We don't know god's will.

Over however long wouldn't all evidence be altered?

And fossils worn down?

My claim = my belieif.

You asked for it so you could disprove it.

Disprove the claim.
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4/3/2016 8:16:07 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/3/2016 6:34:05 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 4:42:56 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/3/2016 8:44:25 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 7:54:55 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

You would need to establish your particular interpretation of the Bible before an argument could be formed against it. Is the Christian god benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or perfect? Does the Christian god allow free will? Is Hell a place of eternal torment, a place absent god, or an alternative term for oblivion? Are stories such as the great flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Exodus, or creation to be taken literally? I'll be happy to participate if you'll answer these questions.

Has infinite and perfect traits.

Perfect morality.

I take it you mean his moral code never changes, and if so, why do we not allow rapists to marry their victims anymore? Why do we not condone slavery anymore? Additionally, how does a being with 'perfect morality' ever condone such things? Either the Christian god is not perfectly moral, someone was using his name to condone these things, and/or he doesn't exist.

Infinite power.

Pretty much yes to all of those.

Omnipotence: "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?" - Homer Simpson
Omniscience + omnipotence paradox: If god is all-knowing then god can't change his mind.

Humans have free will.

If god knows what we will do before we decide, then are we really free to decide or are we simply making predestined 'choices'?


Hell is eternal torment.

Hell as an eternal torment is an absurdity when the creator of it (and its victims) is said to be just, benevolent, and omniscient. Infinite punishment for finite crime is not just. What's worse, when the 'merciful/benevolent' creator knows who will be punished for eternity and creates them anyway. Hell, as a place of eternal torture) is a completely incoherent concept when coupled with a benevolent and just (all-knowing) creator.

About litterally, note that the translation
of a word might be slightly different yet
mess it up a little.

Okay, I'll take that as a 'yes'. A literal understanding of Sodom and Gomorrah, the Exodus, and the great flood all provide a reasonable expectation for evidence. In regards to Sodom and Gomorrah, we would expect contemporary writings about the destruction of two cities. No such thing. The Bible tells us these cities were destroyed with fire and brimstone. Brimstone is another name for sulfur, and it is quite easy to spot due to its yellow color. So is there evidence for the existence of cities destroyed in this manner? Nope. How about the Exodus? We would expect to find Egyptian records mentioning the death of a pharaoh or the death of every first born in the land. There are none. We would expect to find a lot of evidence for millions people living in the desert for 40 years, but again there is no evidence. How about the great flood? We would expect to find a relatively recent fossil layer which included modern animals (zebras, lions, tigers, wolves, giraffes, etc.) and modern humans. This fossil layer should be worldwide. In addition to this we, should expect to find a worldwide layer of pebbles, boulders, and sludge moved about by the flood. What do we find? Nothing like this - there is no fossil layer with 100,000's of modern fossils, and there is no sludge layer. So again, we have struck out.

These stories (in which God is said to have participated) either didn't happen as described by the Bible, or ...they just didn't happen.

Who really knows but i believe in all that the bible contains.

To be specific i would trust the KJV more.

To go to heaven you must believe
Jesus died on the cross for your sins
.

That sounds like a claim to me ...I thought you didn't want any burden ;-)

He doesn't, he isn't affecting it directly.

Also, stopping evil things would show he definately exists.

He doesn't want definately, he wants us to think maybe.

If not he would be kinda forcing us to follow him.

No matter how hot the burrito is made
he will still be able to eat it because
he can eat it no matter how hot it is.

This doesn't prove he is limited because
he can eat absolutely everything.

Why would he change his mind?

A perfect entity wouldn't.

He already knows all that will happen.

Also, just because he knows doesn't mean we know.

Everthing will happen according to his plan
but it is limited by the whole free will thing.

We don't know, we are still making choices.

He doesn't affect this.

Hell- Free will. We don't know god's will.

Over however long wouldn't all evidence be altered?

And fossils worn down?

My claim = my belieif.

You asked for it so you could disprove it.

Disprove the claim.

It is difficult for me to tell what you're responding to since you've thrown it all at the end. Plus, from what I can tell, it does not appear you made any serious dent in the arguments I provided.
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4/4/2016 12:30:46 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/3/2016 8:16:07 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/3/2016 6:34:05 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 4:42:56 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/3/2016 8:44:25 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 7:54:55 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

You would need to establish your particular interpretation of the Bible before an argument could be formed against it. Is the Christian god benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or perfect? Does the Christian god allow free will? Is Hell a place of eternal torment, a place absent god, or an alternative term for oblivion? Are stories such as the great flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Exodus, or creation to be taken literally? I'll be happy to participate if you'll answer these questions.

Has infinite and perfect traits.

Perfect morality.

I take it you mean his moral code never changes, and if so, why do we not allow rapists to marry their victims anymore? Why do we not condone slavery anymore? Additionally, how does a being with 'perfect morality' ever condone such things? Either the Christian god is not perfectly moral, someone was using his name to condone these things, and/or he doesn't exist.

Infinite power.

Pretty much yes to all of those.

Omnipotence: "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?" - Homer Simpson
Omniscience + omnipotence paradox: If god is all-knowing then god can't change his mind.

Humans have free will.

If god knows what we will do before we decide, then are we really free to decide or are we simply making predestined 'choices'?


Hell is eternal torment.

Hell as an eternal torment is an absurdity when the creator of it (and its victims) is said to be just, benevolent, and omniscient. Infinite punishment for finite crime is not just. What's worse, when the 'merciful/benevolent' creator knows who will be punished for eternity and creates them anyway. Hell, as a place of eternal torture) is a completely incoherent concept when coupled with a benevolent and just (all-knowing) creator.

About litterally, note that the translation
of a word might be slightly different yet
mess it up a little.

Okay, I'll take that as a 'yes'. A literal understanding of Sodom and Gomorrah, the Exodus, and the great flood all provide a reasonable expectation for evidence. In regards to Sodom and Gomorrah, we would expect contemporary writings about the destruction of two cities. No such thing. The Bible tells us these cities were destroyed with fire and brimstone. Brimstone is another name for sulfur, and it is quite easy to spot due to its yellow color. So is there evidence for the existence of cities destroyed in this manner? Nope. How about the Exodus? We would expect to find Egyptian records mentioning the death of a pharaoh or the death of every first born in the land. There are none. We would expect to find a lot of evidence for millions people living in the desert for 40 years, but again there is no evidence. How about the great flood? We would expect to find a relatively recent fossil layer which included modern animals (zebras, lions, tigers, wolves, giraffes, etc.) and modern humans. This fossil layer should be worldwide. In addition to this we, should expect to find a worldwide layer of pebbles, boulders, and sludge moved about by the flood. What do we find? Nothing like this - there is no fossil layer with 100,000's of modern fossils, and there is no sludge layer. So again, we have struck out.

These stories (in which God is said to have participated) either didn't happen as described by the Bible, or ...they just didn't happen.

Who really knows but i believe in all that the bible contains.

To be specific i would trust the KJV more.

To go to heaven you must believe
Jesus died on the cross for your sins
.

That sounds like a claim to me ...I thought you didn't want any burden ;-)

He doesn't, he isn't affecting it directly.

Also, stopping evil things would show he definately exists.

He doesn't want definately, he wants us to think maybe.

If not he would be kinda forcing us to follow him.

No matter how hot the burrito is made
he will still be able to eat it because
he can eat it no matter how hot it is.

This doesn't prove he is limited because
he can eat absolutely everything.

Why would he change his mind?

A perfect entity wouldn't.

He already knows all that will happen.

Also, just because he knows doesn't mean we know.

Everthing will happen according to his plan
but it is limited by the whole free will thing.

We don't know, we are still making choices.

He doesn't affect this.

Hell- Free will. We don't know god's will.

Over however long wouldn't all evidence be altered?

And fossils worn down?

My claim = my belieif.

You asked for it so you could disprove it.

Disprove the claim.

It is difficult for me to tell what you're responding to since you've thrown it all at the end. Plus, from what I can tell, it does not appear you made any serious dent in the arguments I provided.

I have beenplaying defense and
this is my way of responding.
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4/4/2016 2:00:38 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/4/2016 12:30:46 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 8:16:07 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/3/2016 6:34:05 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 4:42:56 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/3/2016 8:44:25 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 7:54:55 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

You would need to establish your particular interpretation of the Bible before an argument could be formed against it. Is the Christian god benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or perfect? Does the Christian god allow free will? Is Hell a place of eternal torment, a place absent god, or an alternative term for oblivion? Are stories such as the great flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Exodus, or creation to be taken literally? I'll be happy to participate if you'll answer these questions.

Has infinite and perfect traits.

Perfect morality.

I take it you mean his moral code never changes, and if so, why do we not allow rapists to marry their victims anymore? Why do we not condone slavery anymore? Additionally, how does a being with 'perfect morality' ever condone such things? Either the Christian god is not perfectly moral, someone was using his name to condone these things, and/or he doesn't exist.

Infinite power.

Pretty much yes to all of those.

Omnipotence: "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?" - Homer Simpson
Omniscience + omnipotence paradox: If god is all-knowing then god can't change his mind.

Humans have free will.

If god knows what we will do before we decide, then are we really free to decide or are we simply making predestined 'choices'?


Hell is eternal torment.

Hell as an eternal torment is an absurdity when the creator of it (and its victims) is said to be just, benevolent, and omniscient. Infinite punishment for finite crime is not just. What's worse, when the 'merciful/benevolent' creator knows who will be punished for eternity and creates them anyway. Hell, as a place of eternal torture) is a completely incoherent concept when coupled with a benevolent and just (all-knowing) creator.

About litterally, note that the translation
of a word might be slightly different yet
mess it up a little.

Okay, I'll take that as a 'yes'. A literal understanding of Sodom and Gomorrah, the Exodus, and the great flood all provide a reasonable expectation for evidence. In regards to Sodom and Gomorrah, we would expect contemporary writings about the destruction of two cities. No such thing. The Bible tells us these cities were destroyed with fire and brimstone. Brimstone is another name for sulfur, and it is quite easy to spot due to its yellow color. So is there evidence for the existence of cities destroyed in this manner? Nope. How about the Exodus? We would expect to find Egyptian records mentioning the death of a pharaoh or the death of every first born in the land. There are none. We would expect to find a lot of evidence for millions people living in the desert for 40 years, but again there is no evidence. How about the great flood? We would expect to find a relatively recent fossil layer which included modern animals (zebras, lions, tigers, wolves, giraffes, etc.) and modern humans. This fossil layer should be worldwide. In addition to this we, should expect to find a worldwide layer of pebbles, boulders, and sludge moved about by the flood. What do we find? Nothing like this - there is no fossil layer with 100,000's of modern fossils, and there is no sludge layer. So again, we have struck out.

These stories (in which God is said to have participated) either didn't happen as described by the Bible, or ...they just didn't happen.

Who really knows but i believe in all that the bible contains.

To be specific i would trust the KJV more.

To go to heaven you must believe
Jesus died on the cross for your sins
.

That sounds like a claim to me ...I thought you didn't want any burden ;-)

He doesn't, he isn't affecting it directly.

Also, stopping evil things would show he definately exists.

He doesn't want definately, he wants us to think maybe.

If not he would be kinda forcing us to follow him.

No matter how hot the burrito is made
he will still be able to eat it because
he can eat it no matter how hot it is.

This doesn't prove he is limited because
he can eat absolutely everything.

Why would he change his mind?

A perfect entity wouldn't.

He already knows all that will happen.

Also, just because he knows doesn't mean we know.

Everthing will happen according to his plan
but it is limited by the whole free will thing.

We don't know, we are still making choices.

He doesn't affect this.

Hell- Free will. We don't know god's will.

Over however long wouldn't all evidence be altered?

And fossils worn down?

My claim = my belieif.

You asked for it so you could disprove it.

Disprove the claim.

It is difficult for me to tell what you're responding to since you've thrown it all at the end. Plus, from what I can tell, it does not appear you made any serious dent in the arguments I provided.

I have beenplaying defense and
this is my way of responding.

No!
Wisdom is found where the wise seek it.
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4/5/2016 2:57:53 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/3/2016 4:42:56 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/3/2016 8:44:25 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 7:54:55 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

You would need to establish your particular interpretation of the Bible before an argument could be formed against it. Is the Christian god benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or perfect? Does the Christian god allow free will? Is Hell a place of eternal torment, a place absent god, or an alternative term for oblivion? Are stories such as the great flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Exodus, or creation to be taken literally? I'll be happy to participate if you'll answer these questions.

Has infinite and perfect traits.

Perfect morality.

I take it you mean his moral code never changes, and if so, why do we not allow rapists to marry their victims anymore? Why do we not condone slavery anymore? Additionally, how does a being with 'perfect morality' ever condone such things? Either the Christian god is not perfectly moral, someone was using his name to condone these things, and/or he doesn't exist.

Infinite power.

Pretty much yes to all of those.

Omnipotence: "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?" - Homer Simpson
Homer Simpson is apparently logically inept. Omnipotence is all powerful, the ability to DO anything. Within this moronic quote are two actions to be done. Not being able to do something wouldn't be logically consistent with proving the ability to do anything. Even a rudimentary understanding of grammar exposes the idiocy of the logic in this quote. Essentially the quote defines omnipotence as the ability to make yourself incapable of being able to do something...lmfao. I.e. cannot eat the burrito would be the not doing of something. Pure illogical BS. Not sure what someone who can't see that and would post it is......
Omniscience + omnipotence paradox: If god is all-knowing then god can't change his mind.
Fallacy of ambiguity. The phrase "change the mind" has no concise explanatory value not to mention anyone who would even propose to know what is in another ones mind might want to think twice about their understanding of logic.
Humans have free will.

If god knows what we will do before we decide, then are we really free to decide or are we simply making predestined 'choices'?
Having many choices presented and being free to chose one isn't contradictory with the foreknowledge of which one will be chosen. Knowing what the choice will be doesn't necessarily mean forcing the choice. It's a matter of differing perspectives, that of God's and the person's. Free will doesn't necessarily mean the inability of God to know what choice will be made. Free will might be a human perspective not a universal "state of being".

Hell is eternal torment.

Hell as an eternal torment is an absurdity when the creator of it (and its victims) is said to be just, benevolent, and omniscient. Infinite punishment for finite crime is not just. What's worse, when the 'merciful/benevolent' creator knows who will be punished for eternity and creates them anyway. Hell, as a place of eternal torture) is a completely incoherent concept when coupled with a benevolent and just (all-knowing) creator.
Appeal to popular belief. Only Satan and the one he chooses to deceive the whole world will suffer eternal damnation, and their "spirits" were specifically created for it, so noting contradictory in God's nature there.
About litterally, note that the translation
of a word might be slightly different yet
mess it up a little.

Okay, I'll take that as a 'yes'. A literal understanding of Sodom and Gomorrah, the Exodus, and the great flood all provide a reasonable expectation for evidence. In regards to Sodom and Gomorrah, we would expect contemporary writings about the destruction of two cities. No such thing. The Bible tells us these cities were destroyed with fire and brimstone. Brimstone is another name for sulfur, and it is quite easy to spot due to its yellow color. So is there evidence for the existence of cities destroyed in this manner? Nope. How about the Exodus? We would expect to find Egyptian records mentioning the death of a pharaoh or the death of every first born in the land. There are none. We would expect to find a lot of evidence for millions people living in the desert for 40 years, but again there is no evidence. How about the great flood? We would expect to find a relatively recent fossil layer which included modern animals (zebras, lions, tigers, wolves, giraffes, etc.) and modern humans. This fossil layer should be worldwide. In addition to this we, should expect to find a worldwide layer of pebbles, boulders, and sludge moved about by the flood. What do we find? Nothing like this - there is no fossil layer with 100,000's of modern fossils, and there is no sludge layer. So again, we have struck out.

These stories (in which God is said to have participated) either didn't happen as described by the Bible, or ...they just didn't happen.

Who really knows but i believe in all that the bible contains.

To be specific i would trust the KJV more.

To go to heaven you must believe
Jesus died on the cross for your sins
.

That sounds like a claim to me ...I thought you didn't want any burden ;-)
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4/5/2016 3:11:52 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/4/2016 2:00:38 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/4/2016 12:30:46 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 8:16:07 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/3/2016 6:34:05 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 4:42:56 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/3/2016 8:44:25 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 7:54:55 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

You would need to establish your particular interpretation of the Bible before an argument could be formed against it. Is the Christian god benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or perfect? Does the Christian god allow free will? Is Hell a place of eternal torment, a place absent god, or an alternative term for oblivion? Are stories such as the great flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Exodus, or creation to be taken literally? I'll be happy to participate if you'll answer these questions.

Has infinite and perfect traits.

Perfect morality.

I take it you mean his moral code never changes, and if so, why do we not allow rapists to marry their victims anymore? Why do we not condone slavery anymore? Additionally, how does a being with 'perfect morality' ever condone such things? Either the Christian god is not perfectly moral, someone was using his name to condone these things, and/or he doesn't exist.

Infinite power.

Pretty much yes to all of those.

Omnipotence: "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?" - Homer Simpson
Omniscience + omnipotence paradox: If god is all-knowing then god can't change his mind.

Humans have free will.

If god knows what we will do before we decide, then are we really free to decide or are we simply making predestined 'choices'?


Hell is eternal torment.

Hell as an eternal torment is an absurdity when the creator of it (and its victims) is said to be just, benevolent, and omniscient. Infinite punishment for finite crime is not just. What's worse, when the 'merciful/benevolent' creator knows who will be punished for eternity and creates them anyway. Hell, as a place of eternal torture) is a completely incoherent concept when coupled with a benevolent and just (all-knowing) creator.

About litterally, note that the translation
of a word might be slightly different yet
mess it up a little.

Okay, I'll take that as a 'yes'. A literal understanding of Sodom and Gomorrah, the Exodus, and the great flood all provide a reasonable expectation for evidence. In regards to Sodom and Gomorrah, we would expect contemporary writings about the destruction of two cities. No such thing. The Bible tells us these cities were destroyed with fire and brimstone. Brimstone is another name for sulfur, and it is quite easy to spot due to its yellow color. So is there evidence for the existence of cities destroyed in this manner? Nope. How about the Exodus? We would expect to find Egyptian records mentioning the death of a pharaoh or the death of every first born in the land. There are none. We would expect to find a lot of evidence for millions people living in the desert for 40 years, but again there is no evidence. How about the great flood? We would expect to find a relatively recent fossil layer which included modern animals (zebras, lions, tigers, wolves, giraffes, etc.) and modern humans. This fossil layer should be worldwide. In addition to this we, should expect to find a worldwide layer of pebbles, boulders, and sludge moved about by the flood. What do we find? Nothing like this - there is no fossil layer with 100,000's of modern fossils, and there is no sludge layer. So again, we have struck out.

These stories (in which God is said to have participated) either didn't happen as described by the Bible, or ...they just didn't happen.

Who really knows but i believe in all that the bible contains.

To be specific i would trust the KJV more.

To go to heaven you must believe
Jesus died on the cross for your sins
.

That sounds like a claim to me ...I thought you didn't want any burden ;-)

He doesn't, he isn't affecting it directly.

Also, stopping evil things would show he definately exists.

He doesn't want definately, he wants us to think maybe.

If not he would be kinda forcing us to follow him.

No matter how hot the burrito is made
he will still be able to eat it because
he can eat it no matter how hot it is.

This doesn't prove he is limited because
he can eat absolutely everything.

Why would he change his mind?

A perfect entity wouldn't.

He already knows all that will happen.

Also, just because he knows doesn't mean we know.

Everthing will happen according to his plan
but it is limited by the whole free will thing.

We don't know, we are still making choices.

He doesn't affect this.

Hell- Free will. We don't know god's will.

Over however long wouldn't all evidence be altered?

And fossils worn down?

My claim = my belieif.

You asked for it so you could disprove it.

Disprove the claim.

It is difficult for me to tell what you're responding to since you've thrown it all at the end. Plus, from what I can tell, it does not appear you made any serious dent in the arguments I provided.

I have beenplaying defense and
this is my way of responding.

No!

Yes!
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4/5/2016 3:14:54 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/5/2016 2:57:53 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 4/3/2016 4:42:56 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/3/2016 8:44:25 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 7:54:55 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/1/2016 6:30:42 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
You get burden of proof this time.

Also propose an alternative to christianity.

You would need to establish your particular interpretation of the Bible before an argument could be formed against it. Is the Christian god benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or perfect? Does the Christian god allow free will? Is Hell a place of eternal torment, a place absent god, or an alternative term for oblivion? Are stories such as the great flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Exodus, or creation to be taken literally? I'll be happy to participate if you'll answer these questions.

Has infinite and perfect traits.

Perfect morality.

I take it you mean his moral code never changes, and if so, why do we not allow rapists to marry their victims anymore? Why do we not condone slavery anymore? Additionally, how does a being with 'perfect morality' ever condone such things? Either the Christian god is not perfectly moral, someone was using his name to condone these things, and/or he doesn't exist.

Infinite power.

Pretty much yes to all of those.

Omnipotence: "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?" - Homer Simpson
Homer Simpson is apparently logically inept. Omnipotence is all powerful, the ability to DO anything. Within this moronic quote are two actions to be done. Not being able to do something wouldn't be logically consistent with proving the ability to do anything. Even a rudimentary understanding of grammar exposes the idiocy of the logic in this quote. Essentially the quote defines omnipotence as the ability to make yourself incapable of being able to do something...lmfao. I.e. cannot eat the burrito would be the not doing of something. Pure illogical BS. Not sure what someone who can't see that and would post it is......
Omniscience + omnipotence paradox: If god is all-knowing then god can't change his mind.
Fallacy of ambiguity. The phrase "change the mind" has no concise explanatory value not to mention anyone who would even propose to know what is in another ones mind might want to think twice about their understanding of logic.
Humans have free will.

If god knows what we will do before we decide, then are we really free to decide or are we simply making predestined 'choices'?
Having many choices presented and being free to chose one isn't contradictory with the foreknowledge of which one will be chosen. Knowing what the choice will be doesn't necessarily mean forcing the choice. It's a matter of differing perspectives, that of God's and the person's. Free will doesn't necessarily mean the inability of God to know what choice will be made. Free will might be a human perspective not a universal "state of being".

Hell is eternal torment.

Hell as an eternal torment is an absurdity when the creator of it (and its victims) is said to be just, benevolent, and omniscient. Infinite punishment for finite crime is not just. What's worse, when the 'merciful/benevolent' creator knows who will be punished for eternity and creates them anyway. Hell, as a place of eternal torture) is a completely incoherent concept when coupled with a benevolent and just (all-knowing) creator.
Appeal to popular belief. Only Satan and the one he chooses to deceive the whole world will suffer eternal damnation, and their "spirits" were specifically created for it, so noting contradictory in God's nature there.
About litterally, note that the translation
of a word might be slightly different yet
mess it up a little.

Okay, I'll take that as a 'yes'. A literal understanding of Sodom and Gomorrah, the Exodus, and the great flood all provide a reasonable expectation for evidence. In regards to Sodom and Gomorrah, we would expect contemporary writings about the destruction of two cities. No such thing. The Bible tells us these cities were destroyed with fire and brimstone. Brimstone is another name for sulfur, and it is quite easy to spot due to its yellow color. So is there evidence for the existence of cities destroyed in this manner? Nope. How about the Exodus? We would expect to find Egyptian records mentioning the death of a pharaoh or the death of every first born in the land. There are none. We would expect to find a lot of evidence for millions people living in the desert for 40 years, but again there is no evidence. How about the great flood? We would expect to find a relatively recent fossil layer which included modern animals (zebras, lions, tigers, wolves, giraffes, etc.) and modern humans. This fossil layer should be worldwide. In addition to this we, should expect to find a worldwide layer of pebbles, boulders, and sludge moved about by the flood. What do we find? Nothing like this - there is no fossil layer with 100,000's of modern fossils, and there is no sludge layer. So again, we have struck out.

These stories (in which God is said to have participated) either didn't happen as described by the Bible, or ...they just didn't happen.

Who really knows but i believe in all that the bible contains.

To be specific i would trust the KJV more.

To go to heaven you must believe
Jesus died on the cross for your sins
.

That sounds like a claim to me ...I thought you didn't want any burden ;-)

The burrito thing was a parody of
the can god make a stone so large
he cannot lift it?

And i thought you were one of the atheists Skip.