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dattaswami
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4/17/2016 2:56:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Devotee:
The moral values are failing in every walk of life of all categories of humanity. How to control this and bring a perfect set up?

Shri Swami Replied:
At the outset, I am answering your question in a straight way before its further elaboration. The single sentence of answer here is that unless an inbuilt resistance to sin in each individual is developed based on fear for sin due to the unavoidable punishment from God, no practical solution is possible and you have to brood over like this forever! Of course, if the situation is not improving and instead, is proceeding towards negative side day by day, the only solution leftover for God is to destroy this world and create it once again after strongly reforming the souls to great extent in a specially created hell. The punishments create lot of inbuilt fear to control the sin even though total and permanent reformation is not possible. If the medical treatment fails, the only way leftover is surgery.

The anger of God towards the humanity affects the nature. The natural calamities indicate the tension of God regarding the reformation of humanity. Various deities and deities of planets etc., enter into action giving frequent warning bells to the humanity. The warning bells exist in the visible-imaginable domain like earthquakes, Tsunamis, decrease of thickness of ozone layer etc. The mechanisms of the warning bells exist in invisible-imaginable domain, which are the scientific phenomena. The root source of these warning bells exists in the unimaginable domain called God, which is the unimaginable will.

The same unimaginable will becomes imaginable will in the case of Divine Father, who is unimaginable God in imaginable energetic form. Both these unimaginable and imaginable will can be called as will of God in general. Scientists try to bring the unimaginable domain into invisible-imaginable domain since unimaginable domain is not touched by them. By this, the scientists try to find the source of these warning bells in the imaginable nature itself, which is termed as environmental pollution. The reasons for this environmental pollution is fixed to certain mistakes like industrialization, use of plastics, liberation of smokes etc., about which the humanity is warned by scientists for rectification. The whole path and goal of science is in the visible and invisible regions of imaginable domain only called as scientific reason. Even if we confine ourselves to this scientific domain only, the psychology of humanity to commit such mistakes is not changing due to its ignorance and ambition, which could not be controlled by scientists.

Even the psychiatrists are unable to do this control of ambition in humanity. Even though science tries to remove these mistakes by smashing the ignorance through scientific explanations, the ambition is continuing the mistakes even in the absence of ignorance. For example, science proves that industrialization is the cause of pollution. Even though the reason is known, control of industrialization is not implemented due to ambition since mere removal of ignorance and establishing truth by science (regarding industrialization leading to pollution) fail to remove ambition. Forests may be developed as sinks for absorption of carbon dioxide, but throwing plastics has no sink except to control psychology through the concept of sin and God. Science fails to control the ambition even though it can remove the ignorance. Even though science says that ambition should be controlled to control the industrialization, such advice is not effective since it is not cared by the public. Every fellow starts an industry to become rich and preaches simultaneously that all the other human beings should control ambition- based industrialization. He pours a cup of water in the drum expecting all the other people should contribute milk through cups.

The destruction going to come through pollution is neglected and is not seriously thought of in the mind of everybody. All this proves that science is a total failure in controlling the root cause, which is ambition. The reason is that science neglected the unimaginable domain limiting itself to visible and invisible regions of imaginable domain only. A cause of the pollution is industry and this point is perfectly scientific and agreed by all. The cause of Industry, the ambition, is non-controlled by science. Science is unable to enter this internal background (ambition) of study of external physical rationalism. This background is purely controlled by spiritual knowledge.
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4/18/2016 3:34:23 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:56:08 AM, dattaswami wrote:
Devotee:
The moral values are failing in every walk of life of all categories of humanity. How to control this and bring a perfect set up?

Shri Swami Replied:
At the outset, I am answering your question in a straight way before its further elaboration. The single sentence of answer here is that unless an inbuilt resistance to sin in each individual is developed based on fear for sin due to the unavoidable punishment from God, no practical solution is possible and you have to brood over like this forever! Of course, if the situation is not improving and instead, is proceeding towards negative side day by day, the only solution leftover for God is to destroy this world and create it once again after strongly reforming the souls to great extent in a specially created hell. The punishments create lot of inbuilt fear to control the sin even though total and permanent reformation is not possible. If the medical treatment fails, the only way leftover is surgery.

The anger of God towards the humanity affects the nature. The natural calamities indicate the tension of God regarding the reformation of humanity. Various deities and deities of planets etc., enter into action giving frequent warning bells to the humanity. The warning bells exist in the visible-imaginable domain like earthquakes, Tsunamis, decrease of thickness of ozone layer etc. The mechanisms of the warning bells exist in invisible-imaginable domain, which are the scientific phenomena. The root source of these warning bells exists in the unimaginable domain called God, which is the unimaginable will.

The same unimaginable will becomes imaginable will in the case of Divine Father, who is unimaginable God in imaginable energetic form. Both these unimaginable and imaginable will can be called as will of God in general. Scientists try to bring the unimaginable domain into invisible-imaginable domain since unimaginable domain is not touched by them. By this, the scientists try to find the source of these warning bells in the imaginable nature itself, which is termed as environmental pollution. The reasons for this environmental pollution is fixed to certain mistakes like industrialization, use of plastics, liberation of smokes etc., about which the humanity is warned by scientists for rectification. The whole path and goal of science is in the visible and invisible regions of imaginable domain only called as scientific reason. Even if we confine ourselves to this scientific domain only, the psychology of humanity to commit such mistakes is not changing due to its ignorance and ambition, which could not be controlled by scientists.

Even the psychiatrists are unable to do this control of ambition in humanity. Even though science tries to remove these mistakes by smashing the ignorance through scientific explanations, the ambition is continuing the mistakes even in the absence of ignorance. For example, science proves that industrialization is the cause of pollution. Even though the reason is known, control of industrialization is not implemented due to ambition since mere removal of ignorance and establishing truth by science (regarding industrialization leading to pollution) fail to remove ambition. Forests may be developed as sinks for absorption of carbon dioxide, but throwing plastics has no sink except to control psychology through the concept of sin and God. Science fails to control the ambition even though it can remove the ignorance. Even though science says that ambition should be controlled to control the industrialization, such advice is not effective since it is not cared by the public. Every fellow starts an industry to become rich and preaches simultaneously that all the other human beings should control ambition- based industrialization. He pours a cup of water in the drum expecting all the other people should contribute milk through cups.

The destruction going to come through pollution is neglected and is not seriously thought of in the mind of everybody. All this proves that science is a total failure in controlling the root cause, which is ambition. The reason is that science neglected the unimaginable domain limiting itself to visible and invisible regions of imaginable domain only. A cause of the pollution is industry and this point is perfectly scientific and agreed by all. The cause of Industry, the ambition, is non-controlled by science. Science is unable to enter this internal background (ambition) of study of external physical rationalism. This background is purely controlled by spiritual knowledge.

From moderns" manic phobias about socialism and communism it is patent that this is a civilization of paralytic egologism, of psychotic proprietarism: the American aborigines who were genocidally extinguished by waves of whites saw most sharply the truth about modernity"s manias""The love of possessions is a disease with them." In moderns" culture of abstracted ego and intensified but destitute "consciousness," the aristic ethos not just of sharing and generosity but also of open communication, forthrightness, honesty, and candor has demonstrably perished. There are utterly not enough aristic personalities surviving to make a commonality of culture feasible any longer: "politics" has become a dark euphemism for organized deception, hi-tech manipulation, and Olympian Machiavellian intrigues, and "democracy" in that world-order is so moribund it can be little more than a pious verbalism, a rhetorical fraud.

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4/18/2016 3:45:58 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/18/2016 3:34:23 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
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It has to be understood that, even though the infinite or intrinsic or essential must be grasped in an "exclusionary" way (cleft apart or distinguished from the finite or extrinsic or accidental), ultimately the two domains belong together as a whole: it is only for the propadeutic purpose of self-clarification or enlightenment that the infinite must be grasped in its relative purity from the finite, a relation of opposition that may mistakenly make the infinite look as finite (oppositional, exclusionary) as the finite (since it is of the essence of the finite to stand in a relation of repellency to its other). The finite excludes everything other, but the infinite HAS no "other." The essential trait of the infinite is its INCLUSIVENESS, its power to embrace all particulars within an organismic whole.

Kenneth Smith

Nothing in the matter-of-fact or finite order of experience is directly or obviously grounded in actual authoritative principles; phenomena do not permit us to see through them to their infinite preconditions, and certainly not even to comprehend or conceptualize what kinds of things those preconditions may be. It is only through holistic and variably stressed principles that we can see the formation or architectonics of finite realities, in accordance with those lawful and ordering forces. There is no empirical path to principles, no psychological route to values or ultimate duties or essential character: hundreds of millions of human beings may despair of not having "salvation" who do not and cannot ever comprehend what the issue even is, i.e. the onslaught of the finite order that threatens to make our ambiguously finite/infinite spirit into just another finite particle within the finite world. We have to be always carrying out our self-education dialectically, with one eye on each domain, the finite and the infinite, each of which demands its own peculiar modus of intelligence and insight from us.

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4/19/2016 11:23:10 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
thank you for the reply. the true divine knowledge is the only means to establish justice in the world.

Divine knowledge only changes a criminal to good... (Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

The knowledge of God avoids " crime and corruption in devotee.
If individuals are transformed " the society is perfectly peaceful.
You cannot control crime and corruption " by employing controllers.
Controllers become criminal and corrupt, " no end to your effort.

Ancient kings supported " the propagation of spiritual knowledge.
It could control the sin, " crime and corruption are the two halves of
The sin, you are spending ten times " on employing controllers, but
There is no trace of control, - spend a small part of it on scholars
To propagate spiritual knowledge, " the sin is controlled fully.

Similarly the devotee will not be corrupt " by knowing God"s nature.
God will give you whatever is necessary " at the appropriate time.
You are His devotee, why to worry? " no need of corruption.

Even if you accumulate wealth, " it may harm your family.
Your child may be spoiled due to wealth, " then wealth is harmful.
Yes, the wealth is terrible poison, " if it is earned by corruption.
God may bless your child directly " to earn infinite wealth here,
If He is pleased with your selfless service, - which is better?

If somebody beats you, " keep silent and do not even curse him.
You might have beaten him " in the previous birth and now
It is compensated with interest, " the case is now closed forever.
In this case you cannot expect God " to punish him at anytime.
Your long observation about him " will discourage you thoroughly.

However, if he has beaten you " without this back ground,
God will certainly punish him, " you will beat him with interest.
But the time gap is uncertain, " may be now or may be next birth.

The reason is that God punishes anybody " only for transformation.
God might have punished him already " in some other angle,
Which is unknown to you and God is " waiting for the change in him.
If change is not observed " God will use the pending punishments.

Punishment due to you is somewhere " in the list of his cycle.
You are eager to punish him " just to pacify your revenge.
Your aim of punishment differs " from the aim of punishment by God.

If you realize the administration of God " or the cycle of deeds here,
You are not anxious to punish him, - law and order in God"s hands only.
Now the criminal nature is put off, " society becomes peaceful.

Posted by: surya (disciple of Swamiji)
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

At 4/18/2016 3:34:23 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
From moderns" manic phobias about socialism and communism it is patent that this is a civilization of paralytic egologism, of psychotic proprietarism: the American aborigines who were genocidally extinguished by waves of whites saw most sharply the truth about modernity"s manias""The love of possessions is a disease with them." In moderns" culture of abstracted ego and intensified but destitute "consciousness," the aristic ethos not just of sharing and generosity but also of open communication, forthrightness, honesty, and candor has demonstrably perished. There are utterly not enough aristic personalities surviving to make a commonality of culture feasible any longer: "politics" has become a dark euphemism for organized deception, hi-tech manipulation, and Olympian Machiavellian intrigues, and "democracy" in that world-order is so moribund it can be little more than a pious verbalism, a rhetorical fraud.

Kenneth Smith
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4/19/2016 12:26:03 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:56:08 AM, dattaswami wrote:
Devotee:
The moral values are failing in every walk of life of all categories of humanity. How to control this and bring a perfect set up?

Shri Swami Replied:
At the outset, I am answering your question in a straight way before its further elaboration. The single sentence of answer here is that unless an inbuilt resistance to sin in each individual is developed based on fear for sin due to the unavoidable punishment from God, no practical solution is possible and you have to brood over like this forever! Of course, if the situation is not improving and instead, is proceeding towards negative side day by day, the only solution leftover for God is to destroy this world and create it once again after strongly reforming the souls to great extent in a specially created hell. The punishments create lot of inbuilt fear to control the sin even though total and permanent reformation is not possible. If the medical treatment fails, the only way leftover is surgery.

The anger of God towards the humanity affects the nature. The natural calamities indicate the tension of God regarding the reformation of humanity. Various deities and deities of planets etc., enter into action giving frequent warning bells to the humanity. The warning bells exist in the visible-imaginable domain like earthquakes, Tsunamis, decrease of thickness of ozone layer etc. The mechanisms of the warning bells exist in invisible-imaginable domain, which are the scientific phenomena. The root source of these warning bells exists in the unimaginable domain called God, which is the unimaginable will.

The same unimaginable will becomes imaginable will in the case of Divine Father, who is unimaginable God in imaginable energetic form. Both these unimaginable and imaginable will can be called as will of God in general. Scientists try to bring the unimaginable domain into invisible-imaginable domain since unimaginable domain is not touched by them. By this, the scientists try to find the source of these warning bells in the imaginable nature itself, which is termed as environmental pollution. The reasons for this environmental pollution is fixed to certain mistakes like industrialization, use of plastics, liberation of smokes etc., about which the humanity is warned by scientists for rectification. The whole path and goal of science is in the visible and invisible regions of imaginable domain only called as scientific reason. Even if we confine ourselves to this scientific domain only, the psychology of humanity to commit such mistakes is not changing due to its ignorance and ambition, which could not be controlled by scientists.

Even the psychiatrists are unable to do this control of ambition in humanity. Even though science tries to remove these mistakes by smashing the ignorance through scientific explanations, the ambition is continuing the mistakes even in the absence of ignorance. For example, science proves that industrialization is the cause of pollution. Even though the reason is known, control of industrialization is not implemented due to ambition since mere removal of ignorance and establishing truth by science (regarding industrialization leading to pollution) fail to remove ambition. Forests may be developed as sinks for absorption of carbon dioxide, but throwing plastics has no sink except to control psychology through the concept of sin and God. Science fails to control the ambition even though it can remove the ignorance. Even though science says that ambition should be controlled to control the industrialization, such advice is not effective since it is not cared by the public. Every fellow starts an industry to become rich and preaches simultaneously that all the other human beings should control ambition- based industrialization. He pours a cup of water in the drum expecting all the other people should contribute milk through cups.

The destruction going to come through pollution is neglected and is not seriously thought of in the mind of everybody. All this proves that science is a total failure in controlling the root cause, which is ambition. The reason is that science neglected the unimaginable domain limiting itself to visible and invisible regions of imaginable domain only. A cause of the pollution is industry and this point is perfectly scientific and agreed by all. The cause of Industry, the ambition, is non-controlled by science. Science is unable to enter this internal background (ambition) of study of external physical rationalism. This background is purely controlled by spiritual knowledge.

Because humans are imperfect moral values fail and always will.
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4/19/2016 5:48:51 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:56:08 AM, dattaswami wrote:
Devotee:
The moral values are failing in every walk of life of all categories of humanity. How to control this and bring a perfect set up?


dattaswami you need a nature not human to replace human nature, you can't take the nature of a cat and make it live the live of a mouse. though one could argue nothing is imposable the nature of the cat isn't for the life of a mouse. hence human nature will be what it will be even when it is aware of a nature greater then itself.

the nature of the true Creator and Judge is much greater then the nature of men, nor is human nature at all, so why do men understand that they are to walk in the Creator and Judge's nature?