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Government leaders don't have to be moral

Hayd
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6/26/2016 3:38:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/25/2016 10:31:05 PM, imperialchimp wrote:
So stop expecting them to be moral.

Regardless of where a being's employment is, they still abide by the same moral standards as an individual. And so does the government, as an acting entity
n7
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6/26/2016 4:04:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/25/2016 10:31:05 PM, imperialchimp wrote:
So stop expecting them to be moral.

Dismantle government. REVOLUTION!!!!
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imperialchimp
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6/26/2016 6:28:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2016 12:22:53 AM, rross wrote:
Why not?

They won't get their job done. It's a Machiavellian thing.
Funny, some leaders display themselves as moral and trustworthy just so they can be elected. This is quite devious.
imperialchimp
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6/26/2016 6:31:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
oh and don't forget manipulation!

Such as "freedom", it obviously keeps public order (even though we don't have much freedom).
rross
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6/27/2016 12:07:21 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 6/26/2016 6:28:30 PM, imperialchimp wrote:
At 6/26/2016 12:22:53 AM, rross wrote:
Why not?

They won't get their job done. It's a Machiavellian thing.
Funny, some leaders display themselves as moral and trustworthy just so they can be elected. This is quite devious.

If they can't do their job effectively without being Machiavellian, then maybe it's moral to be Machiavellian.
imperialchimp
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6/27/2016 8:35:40 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 6/27/2016 12:07:21 PM, rross wrote:
At 6/26/2016 6:28:30 PM, imperialchimp wrote:
At 6/26/2016 12:22:53 AM, rross wrote:
Why not?

They won't get their job done. It's a Machiavellian thing.
Funny, some leaders display themselves as moral and trustworthy just so they can be elected. This is quite devious.

If they can't do their job effectively without being Machiavellian, then maybe it's moral to be Machiavellian.

If the leaders think it is the right thing to do then yes, it is moral. It's just a different type of morality.
rross
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6/27/2016 9:22:01 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 6/27/2016 8:35:40 PM, imperialchimp wrote:
At 6/27/2016 12:07:21 PM, rross wrote:
At 6/26/2016 6:28:30 PM, imperialchimp wrote:
At 6/26/2016 12:22:53 AM, rross wrote:
Why not?

They won't get their job done. It's a Machiavellian thing.
Funny, some leaders display themselves as moral and trustworthy just so they can be elected. This is quite devious.

If they can't do their job effectively without being Machiavellian, then maybe it's moral to be Machiavellian.

If the leaders think it is the right thing to do then yes, it is moral. It's just a different type of morality.

So we should keep on expecting morality from them then. :p
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6/27/2016 9:24:27 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 6/27/2016 9:22:01 PM, rross wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:35:40 PM, imperialchimp wrote:
At 6/27/2016 12:07:21 PM, rross wrote:
At 6/26/2016 6:28:30 PM, imperialchimp wrote:
At 6/26/2016 12:22:53 AM, rross wrote:
Why not?

They won't get their job done. It's a Machiavellian thing.
Funny, some leaders display themselves as moral and trustworthy just so they can be elected. This is quite devious.

If they can't do their job effectively without being Machiavellian, then maybe it's moral to be Machiavellian.

If the leaders think it is the right thing to do then yes, it is moral. It's just a different type of morality.

So we should keep on expecting morality from them then. :p

Doesn't this show that morality is subjective?
rross
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6/27/2016 9:31:35 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 6/27/2016 9:24:27 PM, imperialchimp wrote:
At 6/27/2016 9:22:01 PM, rross wrote:
At 6/27/2016 8:35:40 PM, imperialchimp wrote:
At 6/27/2016 12:07:21 PM, rross wrote:
At 6/26/2016 6:28:30 PM, imperialchimp wrote:
At 6/26/2016 12:22:53 AM, rross wrote:
Why not?

They won't get their job done. It's a Machiavellian thing.
Funny, some leaders display themselves as moral and trustworthy just so they can be elected. This is quite devious.

If they can't do their job effectively without being Machiavellian, then maybe it's moral to be Machiavellian.

If the leaders think it is the right thing to do then yes, it is moral. It's just a different type of morality.

So we should keep on expecting morality from them then. :p

Doesn't this show that morality is subjective?

Maybe?
keithprosser
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6/28/2016 9:51:17 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
Are we talking about leaders having affairs or leaders taking bribes and robbing the national treasury?
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6/28/2016 10:36:06 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 6/28/2016 9:51:17 PM, keithprosser wrote:
Are we talking about leaders having affairs or leaders taking bribes and robbing the national treasury?
The title of the thread and op should be government leaders are morally responsible when caught......the rest of the time nobody leads a government per say, they exploit established self delusions to convince the masses into believing they are. Haha