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The Theory of Ducks

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7/10/2016 8:39:29 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
What came first, the duck or the egg?

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7/10/2016 10:57:04 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/10/2016 10:15:53 PM, Hayd wrote:
dont you mean the chicken and the egg?

No I meant duck.
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7/11/2016 11:16:41 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
The egg. There's a point at which you have to draw a line between a duck and a very recent duck ancestor.

Either way, we didn't have ducks once upon a time, but now we do. Where you draw the line is irrelevant so long as the duck's ancestor laid eggs too.
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7/12/2016 1:54:26 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/11/2016 11:16:41 PM, someloser wrote:
The egg. There's a point at which you have to draw a line between a duck and a very recent duck ancestor.

Either way, we didn't have ducks once upon a time, but now we do. Where you draw the line is irrelevant so long as the duck's ancestor laid eggs too.
Did the ancestors of the ducks ancestor lay eggs too? How far back until egg laying magically popped out of an animal?
So basically you worship the dirt and rock of duckology.
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7/12/2016 1:55:31 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/10/2016 8:39:29 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
What came first, the duck or the egg?

If someone could give a shout out to a user named sadolite that would be much appreciated. Just give or mail sadolite the link.
Omg, this thread quacks me up....
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7/12/2016 2:02:39 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
So an egg just randomly popped into existence? That's like the Big Bang theory and we all know how credible that theory is.
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7/12/2016 12:37:20 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/10/2016 8:39:29 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
What came first, the duck or the egg?

There goes the theory of evolution.

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7/13/2016 2:32:13 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/10/2016 8:39:29 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
What came first, the duck or the egg?

Unlike our invented definitions are labels, the universe is an infinite gradient of change. When we observe different, distinguishable points of a gradient, its easy for us to assign labels to the observed instances. For example, consider the descriptions: "young", "middle-aged", and "elderly". If given a photograph of a person, it's typically easy to assign one of these. Now, regarding the gradual process of aging, can it be pinpointed, objectively, the exact moment when a person transitions from young to middle-aged? No, because our limited language and definitions cannot accurately represent the gradient.

If we consider the gradual and slow evolution of life, we would similarly never be able to tell when exactly the organisms of the lineage in question can be objectively determined to be a "duck", as we define it. This is the same with the "egg", as we define it, because that also underwent evolutionary changes. Thus, the conceptual question in the OP is not really applicable.
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7/13/2016 9:35:28 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
The Religious Answer

Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and a duck. Scratch that, he made two ducks. (Because when a mommy duck and a daddy duck love each other very much...) and God saw that it was good...

And there you have it folks. The religious answer to what came first.

The Scientific Answer

The Theory of Evolution

Man evolved from a bunch of stupid apes. Somehow some of these apes were too stupid to evolve and therefore we have monkeys.

Ducks evolved from something. Maybe dinosaurs. But some dinosaurs where too dumb to survive whatever happened that wiped them all out and therefore we have no dinosaurs.

Therefore ducks evolved from something and therefore technically it is a duck ancestor.

My Duck Theory Answer

A duck cannot exist itself into existence and nor can an egg. But something else can exist a duck into existence therefore resulting in an egg. Therefore something existed the duck into existence and therefore my answer is a third option. Something else existed the duck into existence.

The sadolite Answer

sadolite absolutely refuses to accept these two convoluted options. And sadolite will not offer a third option. Therefore sadolite believes that ducks and eggs do not exist. I wonder what he eats for breakfast most days? sadolite is now grumpy since he does not like this convoluted theory but he still refuses to give a third option. Therefore sadolite STILL believes that neither the duck nor egg exists. sadolite does not like you all because you have all participated in this convoluted theory. Concluded, sadolite believes that ducks and eggs do not exist.

The Magic Answer

It was the duck or the egg. Either way they magicked themselves into existence. Therefore ducks are magical beings.
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7/14/2016 10:37:26 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/10/2016 8:39:29 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
What came first, the duck or the egg?

As always, it a matter of how you define your terms. specifically It depends on how you define a duck egg. If a duck egg is defined as the egg that a duck lays, then it was the duck, if it is defined as the egg that a duck hatches from, then it was the egg.

In the evolution of the species, ducks evolved from birds that were not ducks, let's call them proto-ducks. At some point in the evolutionary process, the genes of a male and female proto-duck combined to create an offspring that was slightly different enough to be defined as the first duck. A proto-duck laid the egg, and a duck hatched from it.

So, if you define the egg as something a duck lays, then the duck came first, if you define it as the egg that a duck hatches from, the egg came first.

Problem solved, and as always, it's a matter of definition.
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7/15/2016 6:28:32 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/10/2016 8:39:29 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
What came first, the duck or the egg?

If someone could give a shout out to a user named sadolite that would be much appreciated. Just give or mail sadolite the link.

Oviparous animals predate the earliest birds by over one hundred million years. So I will say egg.
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7/15/2016 10:39:24 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/15/2016 6:28:32 AM, Tokamak wrote:
At 7/10/2016 8:39:29 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
What came first, the duck or the egg?

If someone could give a shout out to a user named sadolite that would be much appreciated. Just give or mail sadolite the link.

Oviparous animals predate the earliest birds by over one hundred million years. So I will say egg.

What about my Religious Answer or my sadolite answer?
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