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12/23/2010 6:36:25 PM
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Best case scenario: Caramel. Worst case scenario: Charleslb. IF you do get someone to accept, it won't be a regular user -- it'll be some n00b with no philosophical background who won't even be able to comprehend your arguments let alone argue against them. I guess that's nice to hope for if you don't like the other two options lol :)
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12/23/2010 6:38:49 PM
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At 12/23/2010 6:29:43 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
...is an unjustified ethical doctrine.

Looking for an opponent, any takers?

It depends in what sense you are using the word. For example, I support universal human rights (i.e., all people should be afforded the same basic human rights.)
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12/23/2010 6:43:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/23/2010 6:36:25 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Best case scenario: Caramel.

That wouldn't be so bad.

Worst case scenario: Charleslb.

Lmfao...

IF you do get someone to accept, it won't be a regular user -- it'll be some n00b with no philosophical background who won't even be able to comprehend your arguments let alone argue against them. I guess that's nice to hope for if you don't like the other two options lol :)

That's why I'm posting here; to see if anyone good wants to take it. But yeah, I'm definitely not getting my hopes up.
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12/23/2010 6:44:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/23/2010 6:38:49 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:29:43 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
...is an unjustified ethical doctrine.

Looking for an opponent, any takers?

It depends in what sense you are using the word. For example, I support universal human rights (i.e., all people should be afforded the same basic human rights.)

So do I, so no disagreement there.
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12/23/2010 6:46:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/23/2010 6:44:36 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:38:49 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:29:43 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
...is an unjustified ethical doctrine.

Looking for an opponent, any takers?

It depends in what sense you are using the word. For example, I support universal human rights (i.e., all people should be afforded the same basic human rights.)

So do I, so no disagreement there.

How exactly do you define egalitarianism, then? Is it more along the lines of altruism?
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12/23/2010 6:49:14 PM
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At 12/23/2010 6:46:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
How exactly do you define egalitarianism, then? Is it more along the lines of altruism?

Mises.org defines egalitarianism as the "belief that all men are biologically equal and that all inequalities in income, wealth and opportunity are the results of unscrupulous usurpation and expropriation of the masses by the capitalists. Egalitarians contend that governments should use their coercive powers to restore and maintain the equality with which all men are supposed to be born."
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12/23/2010 7:00:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/23/2010 6:49:14 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:46:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
How exactly do you define egalitarianism, then? Is it more along the lines of altruism?

Mises.org defines egalitarianism as the "belief that all men are biologically equal and that all inequalities in income, wealth and opportunity are the results of unscrupulous usurpation and expropriation of the masses by the capitalists. Egalitarians contend that governments should use their coercive powers to restore and maintain the equality with which all men are supposed to be born."

I'd argue that men are more equal than Hoppe thinks and that much income inequality is the result of exploitation. Of course, I think government is the cause of the problem, not the cure.
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12/23/2010 7:01:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/23/2010 7:00:24 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:49:14 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:46:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
How exactly do you define egalitarianism, then? Is it more along the lines of altruism?

Mises.org defines egalitarianism as the "belief that all men are biologically equal and that all inequalities in income, wealth and opportunity are the results of unscrupulous usurpation and expropriation of the masses by the capitalists. Egalitarians contend that governments should use their coercive powers to restore and maintain the equality with which all men are supposed to be born."

I'd argue that men are more equal than Hoppe thinks and that much income inequality is the result of exploitation. Of course, I think government is the cause of the problem, not the cure.

Plus you're a nihilist, so you think all ethical beliefs are unjustified anyway...
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12/23/2010 7:03:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/23/2010 7:01:59 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 12/23/2010 7:00:24 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:49:14 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:46:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
How exactly do you define egalitarianism, then? Is it more along the lines of altruism?

Mises.org defines egalitarianism as the "belief that all men are biologically equal and that all inequalities in income, wealth and opportunity are the results of unscrupulous usurpation and expropriation of the masses by the capitalists. Egalitarians contend that governments should use their coercive powers to restore and maintain the equality with which all men are supposed to be born."

I'd argue that men are more equal than Hoppe thinks and that much income inequality is the result of exploitation. Of course, I think government is the cause of the problem, not the cure.

Plus you're a nihilist, so you think all ethical beliefs are unjustified anyway...

Right.
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12/23/2010 7:22:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/23/2010 6:49:14 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:46:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
How exactly do you define egalitarianism, then? Is it more along the lines of altruism?

Mises.org defines egalitarianism as the "belief that all men are biologically equal and that all inequalities in income, wealth and opportunity are the results of unscrupulous usurpation and expropriation of the masses by the capitalists. Egalitarians contend that governments should use their coercive powers to restore and maintain the equality with which all men are supposed to be born."

I've never met a single egalitarian.
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12/23/2010 7:22:50 PM
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Gotta agree with theLwerd, J.Kenyon. Only thing you'll get is a n00b or someone who jerks off to the sound of their voice. Good luck! :P
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12/23/2010 7:25:23 PM
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At 12/23/2010 7:22:42 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:49:14 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:46:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
How exactly do you define egalitarianism, then? Is it more along the lines of altruism?

Mises.org defines egalitarianism as the "belief that all men are biologically equal and that all inequalities in income, wealth and opportunity are the results of unscrupulous usurpation and expropriation of the masses by the capitalists. Egalitarians contend that governments should use their coercive powers to restore and maintain the equality with which all men are supposed to be born."

I've never met a single egalitarian.

I've never met someone who has described themselves as an egalitarian but I have noticed that many subscribe to what it entails. Like, they never say, "Yeah, I'm an egalitarian." but many on this site agree with the above quote.
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12/23/2010 7:58:26 PM
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I've never heard of "Egalitarianism"?
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12/23/2010 8:00:10 PM
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At 12/23/2010 7:58:26 PM, vardas0antras wrote:
I've never heard of "Egalitarianism"?

Why are you asking us? You should know the answer.
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12/23/2010 8:01:58 PM
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At 12/23/2010 7:25:23 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 7:22:42 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:49:14 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:46:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
How exactly do you define egalitarianism, then? Is it more along the lines of altruism?

Mises.org defines egalitarianism as the "belief that all men are biologically equal and that all inequalities in income, wealth and opportunity are the results of unscrupulous usurpation and expropriation of the masses by the capitalists. Egalitarians contend that governments should use their coercive powers to restore and maintain the equality with which all men are supposed to be born."

I've never met a single egalitarian.

I've never met someone who has described themselves as an egalitarian but I have noticed that many subscribe to what it entails. Like, they never say, "Yeah, I'm an egalitarian." but many on this site agree with the above quote.

Really? Many people on this site believe that all men (and women) are "biologically equal"?
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12/23/2010 8:04:29 PM
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At 12/23/2010 8:01:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/23/2010 7:25:23 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 7:22:42 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:49:14 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:46:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
How exactly do you define egalitarianism, then? Is it more along the lines of altruism?

Mises.org defines egalitarianism as the "belief that all men are biologically equal and that all inequalities in income, wealth and opportunity are the results of unscrupulous usurpation and expropriation of the masses by the capitalists. Egalitarians contend that governments should use their coercive powers to restore and maintain the equality with which all men are supposed to be born."

I've never met a single egalitarian.

I've never met someone who has described themselves as an egalitarian but I have noticed that many subscribe to what it entails. Like, they never say, "Yeah, I'm an egalitarian." but many on this site agree with the above quote.

Really? Many people on this site believe that all men (and women) are "biologically equal"?

Actually yes. Well, maybe not 'many' but a considerable amount. There are obvious exceptions however.
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12/23/2010 8:05:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/23/2010 8:00:10 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 7:58:26 PM, vardas0antras wrote:
I've never heard of "Egalitarianism"?

Why are you asking us? You should know the answer.

Very helpful
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12/23/2010 8:06:08 PM
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At 12/23/2010 8:04:29 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:01:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/23/2010 7:25:23 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 7:22:42 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:49:14 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:46:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
How exactly do you define egalitarianism, then? Is it more along the lines of altruism?

Mises.org defines egalitarianism as the "belief that all men are biologically equal and that all inequalities in income, wealth and opportunity are the results of unscrupulous usurpation and expropriation of the masses by the capitalists. Egalitarians contend that governments should use their coercive powers to restore and maintain the equality with which all men are supposed to be born."

I've never met a single egalitarian.

I've never met someone who has described themselves as an egalitarian but I have noticed that many subscribe to what it entails. Like, they never say, "Yeah, I'm an egalitarian." but many on this site agree with the above quote.

Really? Many people on this site believe that all men (and women) are "biologically equal"?

Actually yes. Well, maybe not 'many' but a considerable amount. There are obvious exceptions however.

Can you name any names? This is actually surprising news to me.
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12/23/2010 8:06:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/23/2010 8:04:29 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:01:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/23/2010 7:25:23 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 7:22:42 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:49:14 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:46:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
How exactly do you define egalitarianism, then? Is it more along the lines of altruism?

Mises.org defines egalitarianism as the "belief that all men are biologically equal and that all inequalities in income, wealth and opportunity are the results of unscrupulous usurpation and expropriation of the masses by the capitalists. Egalitarians contend that governments should use their coercive powers to restore and maintain the equality with which all men are supposed to be born."

I've never met a single egalitarian.

I've never met someone who has described themselves as an egalitarian but I have noticed that many subscribe to what it entails. Like, they never say, "Yeah, I'm an egalitarian." but many on this site agree with the above quote.

Really? Many people on this site believe that all men (and women) are "biologically equal"?

Actually yes. Well, maybe not 'many' but a considerable amount. There are obvious exceptions however.

For clarification, they are not the ones active in the forums. They are usually n00bs pissed off at me for saying that women are not inherently equal to men and vice versa.
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12/23/2010 8:07:58 PM
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At 12/23/2010 8:06:08 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:04:29 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:01:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/23/2010 7:25:23 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 7:22:42 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:49:14 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 12/23/2010 6:46:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
How exactly do you define egalitarianism, then? Is it more along the lines of altruism?

Mises.org defines egalitarianism as the "belief that all men are biologically equal and that all inequalities in income, wealth and opportunity are the results of unscrupulous usurpation and expropriation of the masses by the capitalists. Egalitarians contend that governments should use their coercive powers to restore and maintain the equality with which all men are supposed to be born."

I've never met a single egalitarian.

I've never met someone who has described themselves as an egalitarian but I have noticed that many subscribe to what it entails. Like, they never say, "Yeah, I'm an egalitarian." but many on this site agree with the above quote.

Really? Many people on this site believe that all men (and women) are "biologically equal"?

Actually yes. Well, maybe not 'many' but a considerable amount. There are obvious exceptions however.

Can you name any names? This is actually surprising news to me.

I don't think you'd know them, really. They aren't actually active in the forums and stay in formal debates. I made a comment on a debate once that was against Egalitarianism and got scathing remarks. :P
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12/23/2010 8:12:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/23/2010 8:07:58 PM, annhasle wrote:

I don't think you'd know them, really. They aren't actually active in the forums and stay in formal debates. I made a comment on a debate once that was against Egalitarianism and got scathing remarks. :P

Oh, okay. Because I was trying to figure out who the closet egalitarians were out of the usual suspects on the forum. XD
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12/23/2010 8:14:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/23/2010 8:12:06 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:07:58 PM, annhasle wrote:

I don't think you'd know them, really. They aren't actually active in the forums and stay in formal debates. I made a comment on a debate once that was against Egalitarianism and got scathing remarks. :P

Oh, okay. Because I was trying to figure out who the closet egalitarians were out of the usual suspects on the forum. XD

Haha! Yeah, I realized that after I posted it... Funny thing is, about 95% started off by saying, "I'm a feminist and I believe that you are wrong... blah blah blah" And it always ended with, "You're a woman! How could you say this?!" I love the n00bs... They make me laugh. xD
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12/23/2010 8:44:34 PM
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At 12/23/2010 8:36:24 PM, laleona89 wrote:
I do agree with SOME of egalitarianism's beliefs.

Which ones...?
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12/23/2010 8:59:22 PM
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At 12/23/2010 8:44:34 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:36:24 PM, laleona89 wrote:
I do agree with SOME of egalitarianism's beliefs.

Which ones...?

For example legal egalitarianism, luck egalitarianism, political egalitarianism, and racial equality.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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12/23/2010 9:04:50 PM
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At 12/23/2010 8:59:22 PM, laleona89 wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:44:34 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:36:24 PM, laleona89 wrote:
I do agree with SOME of egalitarianism's beliefs.

Which ones...?

For example legal egalitarianism,

Within the current system, that is EXTREMELY hard to come by.

luck egalitarianism,

This seems like a joke to me for some reason...

political egalitarianism,

There will never be an equal distribution of power within a government.

and racial equality.

Do you believe people (men and women, white and black) are biologically equal?

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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12/23/2010 9:08:53 PM
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At 12/23/2010 9:04:50 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:59:22 PM, laleona89 wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:44:34 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:36:24 PM, laleona89 wrote:
I do agree with SOME of egalitarianism's beliefs.

Which ones...?

For example legal egalitarianism,

Within the current system, that is EXTREMELY hard to come by.
I knoe but still
luck egalitarianism,

This seems like a joke to me for some reason...
I know, but when I read what it ment it seemed alright
political egalitarianism,

There will never be an equal distribution of power within a government.

and racial equality.

Do you believe people (men and women, white and black) are biologically equal?
racial like white and black, or russian, etc, but not men and women thath would be gender egalitarianism.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

I know it will never be equal but still I agree with this.
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12/23/2010 9:10:21 PM
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At 12/23/2010 9:08:53 PM, laleona89 wrote:
At 12/23/2010 9:04:50 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:59:22 PM, laleona89 wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:44:34 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 12/23/2010 8:36:24 PM, laleona89 wrote:

I know it will never be equal but still I agree with this.

That's fair, I guess. Would you be willing to debate it?
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