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lovelife
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12/24/2010 9:25:46 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 6:02:16 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
in objective reality and we are all brains in vats. Discuss.

If it exists as a thought it exists.
Brains in vats think.
What you think is a noun.
Because thoughts are nouns, created by the brains, which are all that exist, then thoughts too exist.
Since this forum is just a thought, it too exists.

(not sure if that actually made any sense)
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GodSands
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12/24/2010 10:27:18 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
: At 12/24/2010 10:23:35 AM, GodSands wrote:
What context is the word 'exist' used in? Or rather define the word.

...So the word exist is related to what? Things that we know are real, so do hallucinations exist, even though, speaking in particulars here, hallucinations do not exist. They are not real. But do we relate the word exist with them? Are we using the word exist in terms of what we know is real or what we believe to be real, for example, God or evolution?

This could turn out to be a good forum of thought.
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12/24/2010 10:31:22 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 9:25:46 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 12/24/2010 6:02:16 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
in objective reality and we are all brains in vats. Discuss.

If it exists as a thought it exists.
Brains in vats think.
What you think is a noun.
Because thoughts are nouns, created by the brains, which are all that exist, then thoughts too exist.
Since this forum is just a thought, it too exists.

(not sure if that actually made any sense)
Correct, if he considers entities(cognitioned nouns) a part of objective reality. I doubt he does.

If you're interested in following up on the toopic Cartesian metaphysics explains the topic of "Existence" well, it's worth the reasearch.
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Ragnar_Rahl
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12/24/2010 12:41:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:31:22 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 12/24/2010 9:25:46 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 12/24/2010 6:02:16 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
in objective reality and we are all brains in vats. Discuss.

If it exists as a thought it exists.
Brains in vats think.
What you think is a noun.
Because thoughts are nouns, created by the brains, which are all that exist, then thoughts too exist.
Since this forum is just a thought, it too exists.

(not sure if that actually made any sense)
Correct, if he considers entities(cognitioned nouns)
Entities have very little to do with that.
However, entities as things with a distinct and specific existence-- a scripted object or application in a vat certainly is something with a specific existence, and distinct from that of each bit of code the scripted object or application has, for it has properties which cease to be present if it is divided (it is individual)
Thus, if we are brains in a vat, the monitor I see may instead be describable as a scripted object, but it still is what I see within the context and level of analysis I happen to be at-- just as a shamrock's greenness may instead be describable as a frequency of light it reflects, but it is still green.
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lovelife
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12/24/2010 1:37:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 10:31:22 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 12/24/2010 9:25:46 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 12/24/2010 6:02:16 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
in objective reality and we are all brains in vats. Discuss.

If it exists as a thought it exists.
Brains in vats think.
What you think is a noun.
Because thoughts are nouns, created by the brains, which are all that exist, then thoughts too exist.
Since this forum is just a thought, it too exists.

(not sure if that actually made any sense)
Correct, if he considers entities(cognitioned nouns) a part of objective reality. I doubt he does.

If you're interested in following up on the toopic Cartesian metaphysics explains the topic of "Existence" well, it's worth the reasearch.

I shall when I have time (most likely in the summer)
I'm not too knowledgeable on such things, and I think I should change that :/
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FREEDO
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12/27/2010 5:00:10 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 6:02:16 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
in objective reality and we are all brains in vats. Discuss.

No, not all of us. Just you.
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12/27/2010 10:30:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 6:02:16 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
in objective reality and we are all brains in vats. Discuss.

why do you think this is the case?
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m93samman
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12/27/2010 10:36:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/27/2010 5:00:10 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/24/2010 6:02:16 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
in objective reality and we are all brains in vats. Discuss.

No, not all of us. Just you.

Only you.
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
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: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
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: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
badger
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12/27/2010 10:40:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/27/2010 10:30:50 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/24/2010 6:02:16 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
in objective reality and we are all brains in vats. Discuss.

why do you think this is the case?

you're so depressing..
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Illegalcombatant
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1/7/2011 5:05:12 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
in objective reality and we are all brains in vats. Discuss.

No, in objective reality we are all brains in the matrix, who think they are brains in vats, who think they are live in the real world.
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Ogan
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1/7/2011 7:21:47 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 6:02:16 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
in objective reality and we are all brains in vats. Discuss.

Objective reality is only a realisation of electro-chemical messages received along limited senses into the brain, and are poor witnesses of the things that truly ARE. So I agree with you! As for ‘vats' – do you mean skulls?
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1/7/2011 7:36:51 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/24/2010 6:02:16 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
in objective reality and we are all brains in vats. Discuss.:

If it doesn't exist, then there is nothing to discuss. Pwned.
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