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7/31/2016 11:21:54 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
I go to church every week, because my family is Catholic. I don't know more than one person in my family who is openly atheistic (first cousin once removed). So, I don't quite speak often on the matters of god(s) or assumed lack thereof. I zone out for most of mass, but always listen to the sermon given. I particularly like the pastor at my church (as well as the one who retired a couple years ago). I've taken a few lessons out of listening to priests despite my irreligion, so I will ask this question:

If you are an agnostic or atheist, and you go to church or used to (probably because of family), did you listen to the sermons and did you gain anything from them?
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7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Sometimes, and not really.
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8/1/2016 3:44:44 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 11:21:54 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I go to church every week, because my family is Catholic. I don't know more than one person in my family who is openly atheistic (first cousin once removed). So, I don't quite speak often on the matters of god(s) or assumed lack thereof. I zone out for most of mass, but always listen to the sermon given. I particularly like the pastor at my church (as well as the one who retired a couple years ago). I've taken a few lessons out of listening to priests despite my irreligion, so I will ask this question:

If you are an agnostic or atheist, and you go to church or used to (probably because of family), did you listen to the sermons and did you gain anything from them?

Why do you like him and what does he say?
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8/1/2016 4:27:19 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/1/2016 3:44:44 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:21:54 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I go to church every week, because my family is Catholic. I don't know more than one person in my family who is openly atheistic (first cousin once removed). So, I don't quite speak often on the matters of god(s) or assumed lack thereof. I zone out for most of mass, but always listen to the sermon given. I particularly like the pastor at my church (as well as the one who retired a couple years ago). I've taken a few lessons out of listening to priests despite my irreligion, so I will ask this question:

If you are an agnostic or atheist, and you go to church or used to (probably because of family), did you listen to the sermons and did you gain anything from them?

Why do you like him and what does he say?

He often gives more philosophical rather than spirituality-dominated speeches based on his day-to-day experiences and readings from the Bible.
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8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.
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8/1/2016 4:31:18 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.

I would agree with that. But, I have to say, I always found the church experience to be utterly unfulfilling in virtually every respect, no matter who gave the sermon. It didn't sit right with me. I get more spiritual fulfillment walking in nature.
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8/1/2016 4:40:24 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 11:21:54 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I go to church every week, because my family is Catholic. I don't know more than one person in my family who is openly atheistic (first cousin once removed). So, I don't quite speak often on the matters of god(s) or assumed lack thereof. I zone out for most of mass, but always listen to the sermon given. I particularly like the pastor at my church (as well as the one who retired a couple years ago). I've taken a few lessons out of listening to priests despite my irreligion, so I will ask this question:

If you are an agnostic or atheist, and you go to church or used to (probably because of family), did you listen to the sermons and did you gain anything from them?

Very good question.

When I get invited to go to some of my co-workers churches I usually listen to the sermons. I try to take away something that could possibly enrich my life.
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8/1/2016 4:41:16 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/1/2016 4:31:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.

I would agree with that. But, I have to say, I always found the church experience to be utterly unfulfilling in virtually every respect, no matter who gave the sermon. It didn't sit right with me. I get more spiritual fulfillment walking in nature.

One of the best philosophical lectures I've ever heard was an hour long speech from a missionary.
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And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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8/1/2016 4:43:36 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/1/2016 4:41:16 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:31:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.

I would agree with that. But, I have to say, I always found the church experience to be utterly unfulfilling in virtually every respect, no matter who gave the sermon. It didn't sit right with me. I get more spiritual fulfillment walking in nature.

One of the best philosophical lectures I've ever heard was an hour long speech from a missionary.

But, was he philosophical because he was a missionary? IDK, maybe it's just me, but I think a lot of the really good priests/deacons/etc would have deep things to say even if they hadn't joined the church. I am not sure the church is additive, in that way.
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8/1/2016 4:48:58 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/1/2016 4:43:36 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:41:16 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:31:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.

I would agree with that. But, I have to say, I always found the church experience to be utterly unfulfilling in virtually every respect, no matter who gave the sermon. It didn't sit right with me. I get more spiritual fulfillment walking in nature.

One of the best philosophical lectures I've ever heard was an hour long speech from a missionary.

But, was he philosophical because he was a missionary? IDK, maybe it's just me, but I think a lot of the really good priests/deacons/etc would have deep things to say even if they hadn't joined the church. I am not sure the church is additive, in that way.

I'm just saying I think there's something that can be learned from going to church regardless of irreligion (not that I'll continue after I leave where I live now)
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And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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8/1/2016 4:50:13 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/1/2016 4:48:58 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:43:36 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:41:16 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:31:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.

I would agree with that. But, I have to say, I always found the church experience to be utterly unfulfilling in virtually every respect, no matter who gave the sermon. It didn't sit right with me. I get more spiritual fulfillment walking in nature.

One of the best philosophical lectures I've ever heard was an hour long speech from a missionary.

But, was he philosophical because he was a missionary? IDK, maybe it's just me, but I think a lot of the really good priests/deacons/etc would have deep things to say even if they hadn't joined the church. I am not sure the church is additive, in that way.

I'm just saying I think there's something that can be learned from going to church regardless of irreligion (not that I'll continue after I leave where I live now)

That's possible, but I am content to have stopped, and I don't intend to go in the future. However, if people want to go--if they genuinely get something out of it--then the cost-benefit assessment for them is different, and they should go.
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8/1/2016 6:05:08 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/1/2016 4:31:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.

I would agree with that. But, I have to say, I always found the church experience to be utterly unfulfilling in virtually every respect, no matter who gave the sermon. It didn't sit right with me. I get more spiritual fulfillment walking in nature.
Well if you knew how to get laid they would have some value. Geez, peeing on a tree isn't spiritually fulfilling. Seeing (whatever your flavor) is naked, now that's spiritual.
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8/1/2016 6:17:15 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/1/2016 6:05:08 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:31:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.

I would agree with that. But, I have to say, I always found the church experience to be utterly unfulfilling in virtually every respect, no matter who gave the sermon. It didn't sit right with me. I get more spiritual fulfillment walking in nature.
Well if you knew how to get laid they would have some value. Geez, peeing on a tree isn't spiritually fulfilling. Seeing (whatever your flavor) is naked, now that's spiritual.

What you just said was literally incoherent jibberish.
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8/1/2016 6:59:42 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/1/2016 6:17:15 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 6:05:08 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:31:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.

I would agree with that. But, I have to say, I always found the church experience to be utterly unfulfilling in virtually every respect, no matter who gave the sermon. It didn't sit right with me. I get more spiritual fulfillment walking in nature.
Well if you knew how to get laid they would have some value. Geez, peeing on a tree isn't spiritually fulfilling. Seeing (whatever your flavor) is naked, now that's spiritual.

What you just said was literally incoherent jibberish.
Well if you knew how to get laid at sermons then they would have some value. Peeing on a tree isn't spiritually fulfilling. Seeing (whatever it is you like to see) naked , now that's spiritual. I forget people can't fill in my comments with their last comments applicable subject matter.
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8/1/2016 7:08:29 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 11:21:54 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I go to church every week, because my family is Catholic. I don't know more than one person in my family who is openly atheistic (first cousin once removed). So, I don't quite speak often on the matters of god(s) or assumed lack thereof. I zone out for most of mass, but always listen to the sermon given. I particularly like the pastor at my church (as well as the one who retired a couple years ago). I've taken a few lessons out of listening to priests despite my irreligion, so I will ask this question:

If you are an agnostic or atheist, and you go to church or used to (probably because of family), did you listen to the sermons and did you gain anything from them?
I'm assuming it's equivalent to reading your post with a deep feeling of pity and apathy. Btw. I noticed you didn't assume an atheist or agnostic went to church to meet women. It's no wonder the atheists on this site have a homophobic bent to their profiles. Seems like most of them have to proclaim their interests "include women". I kid.
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8/1/2016 7:22:41 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/1/2016 6:17:15 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 6:05:08 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:31:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.

I would agree with that. But, I have to say, I always found the church experience to be utterly unfulfilling in virtually every respect, no matter who gave the sermon. It didn't sit right with me. I get more spiritual fulfillment walking in nature.
Well if you knew how to get laid they would have some value. Geez, peeing on a tree isn't spiritually fulfilling. Seeing (whatever your flavor) is naked, now that's spiritual.

What you just said was literally incoherent jibberish.
Btw, sure would like an example of coherent jibberish since you seem it apropos to modify jibberish and be redundant. Usually a grammaticality judgement demonstrates a grasp of grammar.
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8/1/2016 6:31:20 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 11:21:54 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I go to church every week, because my family is Catholic. I don't know more than one person in my family who is openly atheistic (first cousin once removed). So, I don't quite speak often on the matters of god(s) or assumed lack thereof. I zone out for most of mass, but always listen to the sermon given. I particularly like the pastor at my church (as well as the one who retired a couple years ago). I've taken a few lessons out of listening to priests despite my irreligion, so I will ask this question:

If you are an agnostic or atheist, and you go to church or used to (probably because of family), did you listen to the sermons and did you gain anything from them?

I don't really get anything from the sermons, probably because my dad is the pastor and I've already heard much of what he thinks to begin with. The sermon is just packaging it.
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8/1/2016 10:36:28 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/1/2016 4:31:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.

I would agree with that. But, I have to say, I always found the church experience to be utterly unfulfilling in virtually every respect, no matter who gave the sermon. It didn't sit right with me. I get more spiritual fulfillment walking in nature.

Lol.
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8/2/2016 5:26:36 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/1/2016 10:36:28 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:31:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.

I would agree with that. But, I have to say, I always found the church experience to be utterly unfulfilling in virtually every respect, no matter who gave the sermon. It didn't sit right with me. I get more spiritual fulfillment walking in nature.

Lol.

???
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8/2/2016 9:58:44 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 11:21:54 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I go to church every week, because my family is Catholic. I don't know more than one person in my family who is openly atheistic (first cousin once removed). So, I don't quite speak often on the matters of god(s) or assumed lack thereof. I zone out for most of mass, but always listen to the sermon given. I particularly like the pastor at my church (as well as the one who retired a couple years ago). I've taken a few lessons out of listening to priests despite my irreligion, so I will ask this question:

If you are an agnostic or atheist, and you go to church or used to (probably because of family), did you listen to the sermons and did you gain anything from them?

My uncle is also openly agnostic and my grandparents are staunch Protestants, previously Roman Catholics. I sometimes go on Saturdays to church dinner. What we do is we go to the Community place and bring dinner for everyone and we talk before the pastor's sermon and then we discuss what he had to say. There is also prayer for personal problems. I like the social aspect of it so it has a lot of gain, I don't think I can go back to a traditional church though. For HS I attended a Protestant Christian school and I'd have Chapel every Monday and I had Religious Studies/Bible. in Religious Studies I was introduced to the works of Plato, St. Augustus, and St. Aquinas. We learned about the teachings of Jesus about how to behave, which benefited the lives of me and those who I am close to. In short, I like the social aspect of Christianity and its teachings on how to treat others, as for my faith I teeter between Christianity and agnosticism. Sorry for the rambling, I'm writing this early in the morning.
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8/2/2016 11:07:05 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 5:26:36 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 10:36:28 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:31:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/1/2016 4:29:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:28:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Sometimes, and not really.

It often depends on the priest. The pastor at the church I go to is good. My least favorite sermons have come from the bishop of the diocese I live in - I viscerally despise him.

I would agree with that. But, I have to say, I always found the church experience to be utterly unfulfilling in virtually every respect, no matter who gave the sermon. It didn't sit right with me. I get more spiritual fulfillment walking in nature.

Lol.

???

The spiritual fulfillment part from walking in nature just sounds silly to me.
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"primal man had the habit, when he came into contact with fire, of satisfying the infantile desire connected with it, by putting it out with a stream of his urine... Putting out the fire by micturating was therefore a kind of sexual act with a male, an enjoyment of sexual potency in a homosexual competition."
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8/2/2016 5:17:19 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/2/2016 9:58:44 AM, That1User wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:21:54 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I go to church every week, because my family is Catholic. I don't know more than one person in my family who is openly atheistic (first cousin once removed). So, I don't quite speak often on the matters of god(s) or assumed lack thereof. I zone out for most of mass, but always listen to the sermon given. I particularly like the pastor at my church (as well as the one who retired a couple years ago). I've taken a few lessons out of listening to priests despite my irreligion, so I will ask this question:

If you are an agnostic or atheist, and you go to church or used to (probably because of family), did you listen to the sermons and did you gain anything from them?

My uncle is also openly agnostic and my grandparents are staunch Protestants, previously Roman Catholics. I sometimes go on Saturdays to church dinner. What we do is we go to the Community place and bring dinner for everyone and we talk before the pastor's sermon and then we discuss what he had to say. There is also prayer for personal problems. I like the social aspect of it so it has a lot of gain, I don't think I can go back to a traditional church though. For HS I attended a Protestant Christian school and I'd have Chapel every Monday and I had Religious Studies/Bible. in Religious Studies I was introduced to the works of Plato, St. Augustus, and St. Aquinas. We learned about the teachings of Jesus about how to behave, which benefited the lives of me and those who I am close to. In short, I like the social aspect of Christianity and its teachings on how to treat others, as for my faith I teeter between Christianity and agnosticism. Sorry for the rambling, I'm writing this early in the morning.

All good. It seems pretty fair.
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