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8/13/2016 11:57:21 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Information transcends space, time, and energy. Does it not?

Does information exist? How would you define information or information-richness?

Do you believe that information is only the product of mind?
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8/14/2016 8:30:09 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 11:57:21 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Information transcends space, time, and energy. Does it not?

Does information exist? How would you define information or information-richness?

Do you believe that information is only the product of mind? : :

God's thoughts are amazing, aren't they?

Psalm 92
5: How great are thy works, O LORD! Thy thoughts are very deep!
6: The dull man cannot know, the stupid cannot understand this:

Psalm 139
17: How precious to me are thy thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them!

Where do you think you get your thoughts from? Your brain? LOL !!!!!
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8/14/2016 11:20:25 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 11:57:21 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Information transcends space, time, and energy. Does it not?

Does information exist? How would you define information or information-richness?

Do you believe that information is only the product of mind?

Last year Finnish researchers converted the information of electron charges into useful energy without expending any energy in the process. Its as if they had merely waved a magic wand over their remarkably humble and otherwise ordinary nanoscopic copper transistor and box empowering it to convince electrons to work out their own differences.

Without a context information is merely gibberish or noise and in extreme contexts the two will always transform into one another because metaphysical extremes are always excluded in our universe. Information is juxtapositions which have no demonstrable meaning outside of specific contexts. Whether even something like a black hole contains any information becomes context dependent and, for example, a black hole on the other side of the universe is too far away and conveys no meaningful information to us.

Whether anything possesses any intrinsic meaning or information becomes debatable when, like energy, information is apparently neither created nor destroyed and either just gets around or it doesn't. Using this Contextual perspective you could say information is the metaphorical content of the greater context of the universe or existence.
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8/16/2016 1:33:07 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 11:20:25 PM, wuliheron wrote:
At 8/13/2016 11:57:21 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Information transcends space, time, and energy. Does it not?

Does information exist? How would you define information or information-richness?

Do you believe that information is only the product of mind?

Last year Finnish researchers converted the information of electron charges into useful energy without expending any energy in the process. Its as if they had merely waved a magic wand over their remarkably humble and otherwise ordinary nanoscopic copper transistor and box empowering it to convince electrons to work out their own differences.

Without a context information is merely gibberish or noise and in extreme contexts the two will always transform into one another because metaphysical extremes are always excluded in our universe. Information is juxtapositions which have no demonstrable meaning outside of specific contexts. Whether even something like a black hole contains any information becomes context dependent and, for example, a black hole on the other side of the universe is too far away and conveys no meaningful information to us.

Whether anything possesses any intrinsic meaning or information becomes debatable when, like energy, information is apparently neither created nor destroyed and either just gets around or it doesn't. Using this Contextual perspective you could say information is the metaphorical content of the greater context of the universe or existence. : :

Think about this: A "0" and a "1" have no meaning until they are put into a larger context that can be used to explain what the "0" and the "1" mean. In the context of this phrase; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, .......... a "0" and a "1" have a lot different meaning than in this context ; 011001000110010011001 that makes up computer code that carries the programmer's thoughts ( information ).

We now know that information is carried along in frequencies ( vibrations ) that can be converted into other frequencies ( vibrations ) such as infra-red frequencies carrying a recorded musical song being converted to frequencies that can be carried along a copper wire.. A vibration consists of many wavelengths. One of those wavelengths with a high pitch and a low pitch is meaningless information until put in a bigger context than can be understood. So if you took one wavelength out of that infra-red frequency carrying a recorded song, you wouldn't be able to understand that that particular wavelength belongs to that frequency carrying the recorded song. That recorded song being carried along in that infra-red frequency still won't be understood unless that frequency is converted into a different bigger context that can be heard and understood by a created being such as a human being.

Just like the "0" and a "1" the single wavelength has to be linked with other wavelengths until put in a bigger context such as visible light. Visible light is the bigger context that we can observe with our created sense of sight that converts those wavelengths ( vibrations ) into a bigger context that we can understand within our consciousness.

It was visible light that caused man to search for the cause of that light to appear which led to the discovery of quantum mechanics. This led to them understanding that visible light comes from invisible waves. One of these wavelengths of a light frequency would never be enough information to give off the illusion of visible light. Visible light then is the bigger context needed for us human beings to be able to observe big objects such as our own bodies and every other bigger object we observe in our consciousness.

What I'm getting at is that we all came from nothing but invisible wavelengths where ONE wavelength is the lowest form of information that exists. Like a "0" and a "1" are in computer binary code. A computer processor can't read anything lower than the 0 and a 1 in combined contexts that can be understood by us observers but our consciousness, like a computer processor can take those invisible frequencies of all sorts and convert them into all sorts of understood visible objects, sounds, emotions, senses of touch, smell and taste, etc. Those frequencies are also converted into a bigger context for us to speak words and understand those words. But all these invisible wavelengths are needed together to give us life experiences.
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8/16/2016 3:58:00 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 1:33:07 PM, willbedone wrote:

Think about this: A "0" and a "1" have no meaning until they are put into a larger context that can be used to explain what the "0" and the "1" mean. In the context of this phrase; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, .......... a "0" and a "1" have a lot different meaning than in this context ; 011001000110010011001 that makes up computer code that carries the programmer's thoughts ( information ).

We now know that information is carried along in frequencies ( vibrations ) that can be converted into other frequencies ( vibrations ) such as infra-red frequencies carrying a recorded musical song being converted to frequencies that can be carried along a copper wire.. A vibration consists of many wavelengths. One of those wavelengths with a high pitch and a low pitch is meaningless information until put in a bigger context than can be understood. So if you took one wavelength out of that infra-red frequency carrying a recorded song, you wouldn't be able to understand that that particular wavelength belongs to that frequency carrying the recorded song. That recorded song being carried along in that infra-red frequency still won't be understood unless that frequency is converted into a different bigger context that can be heard and understood by a created being such as a human being.

Just like the "0" and a "1" the single wavelength has to be linked with other wavelengths until put in a bigger context such as visible light. Visible light is the bigger context that we can observe with our created sense of sight that converts those wavelengths ( vibrations ) into a bigger context that we can understand within our consciousness.

It was visible light that caused man to search for the cause of that light to appear which led to the discovery of quantum mechanics. This led to them understanding that visible light comes from invisible waves. One of these wavelengths of a light frequency would never be enough information to give off the illusion of visible light. Visible light then is the bigger context needed for us human beings to be able to observe big objects such as our own bodies and every other bigger object we observe in our consciousness.

What I'm getting at is that we all came from nothing but invisible wavelengths where ONE wavelength is the lowest form of information that exists. Like a "0" and a "1" are in computer binary code. A computer processor can't read anything lower than the 0 and a 1 in combined contexts that can be understood by us observers but our consciousness, like a computer processor can take those invisible frequencies of all sorts and convert them into all sorts of understood visible objects, sounds, emotions, senses of touch, smell and taste, etc. Those frequencies are also converted into a bigger context for us to speak words and understand those words. But all these invisible wavelengths are needed together to give us life experiences.

Zero and One together are a context, something and nothing, just as up and down are the context that defines a dimension. This is known as the law of identity for expressed by Socrates as a barroom joke, "The only thing I know is that I know nothing". The joke being when you can no longer identify that you have just identified nothing you have personal crap to deal with.
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8/16/2016 4:18:58 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 3:58:00 PM, wuliheron wrote:
At 8/16/2016 1:33:07 PM, willbedone wrote:

Think about this: A "0" and a "1" have no meaning until they are put into a larger context that can be used to explain what the "0" and the "1" mean. In the context of this phrase; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, .......... a "0" and a "1" have a lot different meaning than in this context ; 011001000110010011001 that makes up computer code that carries the programmer's thoughts ( information ).

We now know that information is carried along in frequencies ( vibrations ) that can be converted into other frequencies ( vibrations ) such as infra-red frequencies carrying a recorded musical song being converted to frequencies that can be carried along a copper wire.. A vibration consists of many wavelengths. One of those wavelengths with a high pitch and a low pitch is meaningless information until put in a bigger context than can be understood. So if you took one wavelength out of that infra-red frequency carrying a recorded song, you wouldn't be able to understand that that particular wavelength belongs to that frequency carrying the recorded song. That recorded song being carried along in that infra-red frequency still won't be understood unless that frequency is converted into a different bigger context that can be heard and understood by a created being such as a human being.

Just like the "0" and a "1" the single wavelength has to be linked with other wavelengths until put in a bigger context such as visible light. Visible light is the bigger context that we can observe with our created sense of sight that converts those wavelengths ( vibrations ) into a bigger context that we can understand within our consciousness.

It was visible light that caused man to search for the cause of that light to appear which led to the discovery of quantum mechanics. This led to them understanding that visible light comes from invisible waves. One of these wavelengths of a light frequency would never be enough information to give off the illusion of visible light. Visible light then is the bigger context needed for us human beings to be able to observe big objects such as our own bodies and every other bigger object we observe in our consciousness.

What I'm getting at is that we all came from nothing but invisible wavelengths where ONE wavelength is the lowest form of information that exists. Like a "0" and a "1" are in computer binary code. A computer processor can't read anything lower than the 0 and a 1 in combined contexts that can be understood by us observers but our consciousness, like a computer processor can take those invisible frequencies of all sorts and convert them into all sorts of understood visible objects, sounds, emotions, senses of touch, smell and taste, etc. Those frequencies are also converted into a bigger context for us to speak words and understand those words. But all these invisible wavelengths are needed together to give us life experiences.

Zero and One together are a context, something and nothing, just as up and down are the context that defines a dimension. This is known as the law of identity for expressed by Socrates as a barroom joke, "The only thing I know is that I know nothing". The joke being when you can no longer identify that you have just identified nothing you have personal crap to deal with. : :

Are you attempting to agree with me or what is it that you're trying to share with me?
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8/16/2016 4:39:43 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 4:18:58 PM, willbedone wrote:
Are you attempting to agree with me or what is it that you're trying to share with me?

I'm arguing against you. Zero and One together ARE a context, the context of something and nothing which is the foundation of formal logic known as the law of identity. That the symbol for zero can also be used as a place maker in Boolean logic is irrelevant because anything can be used as a variable with no intrinsic value. You could just as easy write Boolean logic using X and Y if you prefer.

Similarly, it was not light that prompted the discovery of quantum mechanics. Nobody was searching for anything remotely like quantum mechanics when it was discovered by Max Planck who begged his colleges to explain the joke. They were all searching for causal metaphysical explanations for everything and Planck was actually studying black body radiation and searching for an explanation for why wood stoves glow red instead of blue as the mathematics suggest they should in a causal universe.
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8/16/2016 4:59:16 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 4:39:43 PM, wuliheron wrote:
At 8/16/2016 4:18:58 PM, willbedone wrote:
Are you attempting to agree with me or what is it that you're trying to share with me?

I'm arguing against you. Zero and One together ARE a context, the context of something and nothing which is the foundation of formal logic known as the law of identity. That the symbol for zero can also be used as a place maker in Boolean logic is irrelevant because anything can be used as a variable with no intrinsic value. You could just as easy write Boolean logic using X and Y if you prefer.

Similarly, it was not light that prompted the discovery of quantum mechanics. Nobody was searching for anything remotely like quantum mechanics when it was discovered by Max Planck who begged his colleges to explain the joke. They were all searching for causal metaphysical explanations for everything and Planck was actually studying black body radiation and searching for an explanation for why wood stoves glow red instead of blue as the mathematics suggest they should in a causal universe. : :

Then you didn't understand anything I wrote in that post. You're clueless to how we're created.
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8/16/2016 10:08:20 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 1:33:07 PM, willbedone wrote:
At 8/14/2016 11:20:25 PM, wuliheron wrote:
At 8/13/2016 11:57:21 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Information transcends space, time, and energy. Does it not?

Does information exist? How would you define information or information-richness?

Do you believe that information is only the product of mind?

Last year Finnish researchers converted the information of electron charges into useful energy without expending any energy in the process. Its as if they had merely waved a magic wand over their remarkably humble and otherwise ordinary nanoscopic copper transistor and box empowering it to convince electrons to work out their own differences.

Without a context information is merely gibberish or noise and in extreme contexts the two will always transform into one another because metaphysical extremes are always excluded in our universe. Information is juxtapositions which have no demonstrable meaning outside of specific contexts. Whether even something like a black hole contains any information becomes context dependent and, for example, a black hole on the other side of the universe is too far away and conveys no meaningful information to us.

Whether anything possesses any intrinsic meaning or information becomes debatable when, like energy, information is apparently neither created nor destroyed and either just gets around or it doesn't. Using this Contextual perspective you could say information is the metaphorical content of the greater context of the universe or existence. : :

Think about this: A "0" and a "1" have no meaning until they are put into a larger context that can be used to explain what the "0" and the "1" mean. In the context of this phrase; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, .......... a "0" and a "1" have a lot different meaning than in this context ; 011001000110010011001 that makes up computer code that carries the programmer's thoughts ( information ).

We now know that information is carried along in frequencies ( vibrations ) that can be converted into other frequencies ( vibrations ) such as infra-red frequencies carrying a recorded musical song being converted to frequencies that can be carried along a copper wire.. A vibration consists of many wavelengths. One of those wavelengths with a high pitch and a low pitch is meaningless information until put in a bigger context than can be understood. So if you took one wavelength out of that infra-red frequency carrying a recorded song, you wouldn't be able to understand that that particular wavelength belongs to that frequency carrying the recorded song. That recorded song being carried along in that infra-red frequency still won't be understood unless that frequency is converted into a different bigger context that can be heard and understood by a created being such as a human being.

Just like the "0" and a "1" the single wavelength has to be linked with other wavelengths until put in a bigger context such as visible light. Visible light is the bigger context that we can observe with our created sense of sight that converts those wavelengths ( vibrations ) into a bigger context that we can understand within our consciousness.

It was visible light that caused man to search for the cause of that light to appear which led to the discovery of quantum mechanics. This led to them understanding that visible light comes from invisible waves. One of these wavelengths of a light frequency would never be enough information to give off the illusion of visible light. Visible light then is the bigger context needed for us human beings to be able to observe big objects such as our own bodies and every other bigger object we observe in our consciousness.

What I'm getting at is that we all came from nothing but invisible wavelengths where ONE wavelength is the lowest form of information that exists. Like a "0" and a "1" are in computer binary code. A computer processor can't read anything lower than the 0 and a 1 in combined contexts that can be understood by us observers but our consciousness, like a computer processor can take those invisible frequencies of all sorts and convert them into all sorts of understood visible objects, sounds, emotions, senses of touch, smell and taste, etc. Those frequencies are also converted into a bigger context for us to speak words and understand those words. But all these invisible wavelengths are needed together to give us life experiences.

Great post and very interesting. I'll need to reflect on this.
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8/19/2016 5:09:03 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 10:08:20 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 8/16/2016 1:33:07 PM, willbedone wrote:
At 8/14/2016 11:20:25 PM, wuliheron wrote:
At 8/13/2016 11:57:21 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Information transcends space, time, and energy. Does it not?

Does information exist? How would you define information or information-richness?

Do you believe that information is only the product of mind?

Last year Finnish researchers converted the information of electron charges into useful energy without expending any energy in the process. Its as if they had merely waved a magic wand over their remarkably humble and otherwise ordinary nanoscopic copper transistor and box empowering it to convince electrons to work out their own differences.

Without a context information is merely gibberish or noise and in extreme contexts the two will always transform into one another because metaphysical extremes are always excluded in our universe. Information is juxtapositions which have no demonstrable meaning outside of specific contexts. Whether even something like a black hole contains any information becomes context dependent and, for example, a black hole on the other side of the universe is too far away and conveys no meaningful information to us.

Whether anything possesses any intrinsic meaning or information becomes debatable when, like energy, information is apparently neither created nor destroyed and either just gets around or it doesn't. Using this Contextual perspective you could say information is the metaphorical content of the greater context of the universe or existence. : :

Think about this: A "0" and a "1" have no meaning until they are put into a larger context that can be used to explain what the "0" and the "1" mean. In the context of this phrase; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, .......... a "0" and a "1" have a lot different meaning than in this context ; 011001000110010011001 that makes up computer code that carries the programmer's thoughts ( information ).

We now know that information is carried along in frequencies ( vibrations ) that can be converted into other frequencies ( vibrations ) such as infra-red frequencies carrying a recorded musical song being converted to frequencies that can be carried along a copper wire.. A vibration consists of many wavelengths. One of those wavelengths with a high pitch and a low pitch is meaningless information until put in a bigger context than can be understood. So if you took one wavelength out of that infra-red frequency carrying a recorded song, you wouldn't be able to understand that that particular wavelength belongs to that frequency carrying the recorded song. That recorded song being carried along in that infra-red frequency still won't be understood unless that frequency is converted into a different bigger context that can be heard and understood by a created being such as a human being.

Just like the "0" and a "1" the single wavelength has to be linked with other wavelengths until put in a bigger context such as visible light. Visible light is the bigger context that we can observe with our created sense of sight that converts those wavelengths ( vibrations ) into a bigger context that we can understand within our consciousness.

It was visible light that caused man to search for the cause of that light to appear which led to the discovery of quantum mechanics. This led to them understanding that visible light comes from invisible waves. One of these wavelengths of a light frequency would never be enough information to give off the illusion of visible light. Visible light then is the bigger context needed for us human beings to be able to observe big objects such as our own bodies and every other bigger object we observe in our consciousness.

What I'm getting at is that we all came from nothing but invisible wavelengths where ONE wavelength is the lowest form of information that exists. Like a "0" and a "1" are in computer binary code. A computer processor can't read anything lower than the 0 and a 1 in combined contexts that can be understood by us observers but our consciousness, like a computer processor can take those invisible frequencies of all sorts and convert them into all sorts of understood visible objects, sounds, emotions, senses of touch, smell and taste, etc. Those frequencies are also converted into a bigger context for us to speak words and understand those words. But all these invisible wavelengths are needed together to give us life experiences.

Great post and very interesting. I'll need to reflect on this. : :

I have a lot of ways to help someone understand how we're created but only if they were chosen to listen.

Ephesians 1
1: Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are also faithful in Christ Jesus:
2: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
4: even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.
5: He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
9: For he has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of his will, according to his purpose which he set forth in Christ
10: as a plan for the fulness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
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8/26/2016 3:41:23 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 11:57:21 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Unlike the commentators above, I have no background in physics, electrical engineering or electronic engineering, but I will attempt a more general answer. Moreover, I will not answer the questions in the order you proposed in the OP, but will rearrange the order as I see fit.
Does information exist?
Yes. 'Information' is a rather vague term whose meaning has evolved over time and passed from philosophical jargon to common parlance. However, in the modern, colloquial sense of the term, I believe 'information' not only exists but also plays a vital role in society and in everyday life.
How would you define information or information-richness?
There are many conceptions of 'information' (http://plato.stanford.edu...) out there. The Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy lists six types:
-Fisher information (i.e. the denominator of the Cramer-Rao lower bound, or in simpler terms, 'how much' unbiased information we can get about a parameter from an estimator)
-Shannon information (i.e. entropy in information theory)
-Kolmogorov complexity (i.e. the shortest programme that can produce a binary string on some Turing machine, or in simpler terms, the amount of information in a binary string depends on how complex a programme will be needed to print it out)
-Quantum information (I don't really know what this means - like I said, no background in physics, so I'll leave this to more knowledgeable users)
-A state of an agent (I think this diverges from our colloquial use of 'information', so I won't go into this here)
-Semantic information (well-formed, meaningful and truthful data)

Obviously, not all of these are helpful in all situations. Surely, when I say to you 'There's a 30% chance of raining tomorrow', the amount of information I convey isn't positively correlated to the length of the programme that can produce this sentence (or its ASCII representation). However, we can see general properties of information from these specific formulations. The Stanford article goes on to list two axiomatic properties of information (http://plato.stanford.edu...):
-Information is extensive
-Information reduces uncertainty

I think the second property can define information. It's said that human minds operate in a Bayesian manner. We have prior probabilities in our minds, and as we perceive reality, we create posterior probabilities. Information exists in information bearers in reality, and as we perceive and decode the bearers, our certainty about certain aspects of the world increases - we are informed.

Naturally, then, information-richness is proportional to the amount of uncertainty that a piece of information can reduce. An unbiased estimator with smaller variance gives us greater certainty, and thus has greater Fisher information. A random variable with greater uncertainty will give us greater certainty when revealed, and thus has greater Shannon information. The sentences 'I met a student yesterday' and 'I met a biology student yesterday' differ in information-richness in that the latter gives us more certainty about the student's major. The list goes on.
Information transcends space, time, and energy. Does it not?
I don't know what it means by transcending energy, but I don't think it transcends space and time. Information needs a bearer, be it spoken language, pictograms, emojis, mathematical symbols or whatnot. To extract information from something, one must decode. We can all decode modern American English and Received Pronunciation. Many of us can decode mathematical symbols and road signs as well. So they convey information: They help us reduce uncertainty about everything from today's lunch to whether U-turns are allowed.

But if someone recorded a Tasmanian recording and brought it to the 21st century, it would convey no information. Tasmanian is an extinct language on which we know almost nothing. We could do a Fourier analysis on the recording and deduce from the waveforms the exact articulatory mechanisms that produced the sounds. If the recording is long enough, we might even discover facts about the phonological structure of the langauge. But the language is still just that - sounds, or at best strings of phonemes, not language we can decode to produce information and reduce uncertainty. (Unless, of course, we begin finding cognates between Tasmanian and the Pama-Nyungan languages, and the decoding process begins.)
Do you believe that information is only the product of mind?
Based on the above, yes.
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9/13/2016 5:57:43 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 8/26/2016 3:41:23 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
But if someone recorded a Tasmanian recording and brought it to the 21st century, it would convey no information. Tasmanian is an extinct language on which we know almost nothing. We could do a Fourier analysis on the recording and deduce from the waveforms the exact articulatory mechanisms that produced the sounds. If the recording is long enough, we might even discover facts about the phonological structure of the langauge. But the language is still just that - sounds, or at best strings of phonemes, not language we can decode to produce information and reduce uncertainty. (Unless, of course, we begin finding cognates between Tasmanian and the Pama-Nyungan languages, and the decoding process begins.)

That's not quite true. The information it would convey would merely relate to its physical structure rather than to arbitrary meaning assigned to it in the case of languages we do understand. Information just means "the ruling out of possibilities"; something is informative when it rules out alternatives representing "what it is not".