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Ayn Rand's Epistemology

ShabShoral
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8/20/2016 9:30:39 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
Is whack and made up and is nonsense and cannot be taken seriously.

(I'll probably come crawling back in six months)
I would prefer not to.
sdavio
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8/20/2016 10:52:35 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 8/20/2016 9:30:39 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
Is whack and made up and is nonsense and cannot be taken seriously.

(I'll probably come crawling back in six months)

Took you long enough, lol.
be humble
dylancatlow
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8/20/2016 3:43:54 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Says the logical positivist.
"In case anyone hasn't noticed it, the West is in extremis. The undertaker is checking his watch at the foot of its bed, and there's a sinister kettle of croaking, money-feathered vultures on the roof."
n7
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8/20/2016 8:57:56 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Rand's epistemology I think is the one of the only redeeming qualities of her work.
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1harderthanyouthink
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8/20/2016 9:30:16 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 8/20/2016 9:30:39 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
Is whack and made up and is nonsense and cannot be taken seriously.

(I'll probably come crawling back in six months)

What are you?
DDO Risk King
Sidewalker
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8/21/2016 12:28:10 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 8/20/2016 9:30:39 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
Is whack and made up and is nonsense and cannot be taken seriously.

You don't appreciate hyperbole?

(I'll probably come crawling back in six months)

Well yeah, she declared that anyone who disagrees with her is irrational, so you pretty much have to come crawling back.
"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
ShabShoral
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8/21/2016 9:24:29 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 8/20/2016 8:57:56 PM, n7 wrote:
Rand's epistemology I think is the one of the only redeeming qualities of her work.

It's just *really, really imprecise*. Her treatment of things like logic and the analytic/synthetic divide read more as arguments against the usefulness of certain positions, rather than arguments against their truth.

I'm still a direct realist and, in general, sympathise 100% with Rand's Aristotelian analysis of concepts and concept-formation, but on a lot of other technical things, she's heavyhanded.
I would prefer not to.
ShabShoral
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8/21/2016 9:25:17 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 8/20/2016 9:30:16 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 8/20/2016 9:30:39 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
Is whack and made up and is nonsense and cannot be taken seriously.

(I'll probably come crawling back in six months)

What are you?

A logical positivist... which is probably worse.
I would prefer not to.
ShabShoral
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8/21/2016 9:26:11 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 8/21/2016 12:28:10 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 8/20/2016 9:30:39 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
Is whack and made up and is nonsense and cannot be taken seriously.

You don't appreciate hyperbole?
Hey, I'm still a fan of her metaphysics and ethics!
(I'll probably come crawling back in six months)

Well yeah, she declared that anyone who disagrees with her is irrational, so you pretty much have to come crawling back.
What can ya do.
I would prefer not to.
Sidewalker
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8/21/2016 11:22:53 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 8/21/2016 9:26:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 8/21/2016 12:28:10 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 8/20/2016 9:30:39 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
Is whack and made up and is nonsense and cannot be taken seriously.

You don't appreciate hyperbole?
Hey, I'm still a fan of her metaphysics and ethics!

Cool...want to buy a bridge?

(I'll probably come crawling back in six months)

Well yeah, she declared that anyone who disagrees with her is irrational, so you pretty much have to come crawling back.
What can ya do.
"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
dylancatlow
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8/21/2016 7:53:53 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Her epistemology really isn't that unique to her. Some parts of it are good, and some parts aren't. An example of a bad part: denying that the human mind is innately wired for language acquisition on purely logical grounds. An example of a good part: accepting that two-valued logic is true.
"In case anyone hasn't noticed it, the West is in extremis. The undertaker is checking his watch at the foot of its bed, and there's a sinister kettle of croaking, money-feathered vultures on the roof."
DetectableNinja
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8/22/2016 1:52:07 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
Her epistemology is absolute garbage.
But if the chance remains
to see those better days,
I'd cut the cannons down.

- Vampire Weekend "Giving Up the Gun"
YYW
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8/22/2016 2:05:27 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 8/22/2016 1:52:07 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Her epistemology is absolute garbage.

Indeed. Welcome back, too.... :p
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DetectableNinja
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8/22/2016 2:18:15 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 8/22/2016 2:05:27 AM, YYW wrote:
At 8/22/2016 1:52:07 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Her epistemology is absolute garbage.

Indeed. Welcome back, too.... :p

I drift in and out. :)
But if the chance remains
to see those better days,
I'd cut the cannons down.

- Vampire Weekend "Giving Up the Gun"