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Chrysippus
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1/10/2011 8:54:10 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Anyone else here read his works?

Life in an anarchy: "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."

Discuss.
Cavete mea inexorabilis legiones mimus!
annhasle
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1/11/2011 1:45:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/10/2011 8:54:10 AM, Chrysippus wrote:
Anyone else here read his works?

Life in a prison: "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."
Life in an anarchy: "liberating."

Discuss.

Fix'd. :D
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
Zetsubou
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1/11/2011 3:35:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I own Leviathan. It's a fair book and he's a good philosopher in the sense that he isn't analytic and original in his ideas.
'sup DDO -- july 2013
Zetsubou
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1/11/2011 3:37:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/11/2011 1:45:34 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/10/2011 8:54:10 AM, Chrysippus wrote:
Anyone else here read his works?

Life in a prison: "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."
Life in an anarchy: "liberating."

Discuss.

Fix'd. :D
He grew up in the anarchy of civil war. He knows what the lack of the sovereign entity is like first hand.
'sup DDO -- july 2013
J.Kenyon
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1/11/2011 3:38:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/11/2011 3:35:54 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
I own Leviathan. It's a fair book and he's a good philosopher in the sense that he isn't analytic and original in his ideas.

Lol, what do you have against analytic philosophy?
Cody_Franklin
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1/11/2011 3:40:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/11/2011 3:37:54 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 1/11/2011 1:45:34 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/10/2011 8:54:10 AM, Chrysippus wrote:
Anyone else here read his works?

Life in a prison: "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."
Life in an anarchy: "liberating."

Discuss.

Fix'd. :D
He grew up in the anarchy of civil war. He knows what the lack of the sovereign entity is like first hand.

I'm by no means an anarchist; however, it's absurd to say that all manifestations of anarchism are civil war. You could say that Hobbes did a little thing called jumping to conclusions based on an unrepresentative sample. :)
Zetsubou
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1/11/2011 3:44:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/11/2011 3:38:27 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 1/11/2011 3:35:54 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
I own Leviathan. It's a fair book and he's a good philosopher in the sense that he isn't analytic and original in his ideas.

Lol, what do you have against analytic philosophy?
Nothing, it's a vital part of philosophy.

At 1/11/2011 3:38:30 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 1/11/2011 3:35:54 PM, Zetsubou wrote:

good philosopher

isn't analytic and original in his ideas.

Come again?
His is a raw form of philosophy he predates the whole modern argument system.
'sup DDO -- july 2013
Zetsubou
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1/11/2011 3:51:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/11/2011 3:40:22 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 1/11/2011 3:37:54 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 1/11/2011 1:45:34 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/10/2011 8:54:10 AM, Chrysippus wrote:
Anyone else here read his works?

Life in a prison: "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."
Life in an anarchy: "liberating."

Discuss.

Fix'd. :D
He grew up in the anarchy of civil war. He knows what the lack of the sovereign entity is like first hand.

I'm by no means an anarchist; however, it's absurd to say that all manifestations of anarchism are civil war. You could say that Hobbes did a little thing called jumping to conclusions based on an unrepresentative sample. :)
I know, I know. But anarchies are unpleasant, Hobbes pre-17th Century pre-industrial lifestyle refers to traditional anarchy, wild states. I personally believe his definitions of anarchy and state are very different to what we have now; remember at the beginning of Leviathan where he talks about science and sound waves. The anarchist theories of today are hardly anarchies in the traditional sense.
'sup DDO -- july 2013
joshuaXlawyer
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1/11/2011 3:57:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/10/2011 8:54:10 AM, Chrysippus wrote:
Anyone else here read his works?

Life in an anarchy: "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."

Discuss.

I know Hobbes social contract as well as locke and rousoe
Objection!!!! thats baseless conjecture!!
Zetsubou
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1/11/2011 3:59:37 PM
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At 1/11/2011 3:54:38 PM, TheSkeptic wrote:
isn't analytic and original in his ideas.

You kidding? Hobbes was meticulous in defining his terms.
Welcome back.
Yes, but don't all philosophers? By analytic I meant as opposed to Idealist. Wouldn't you agree?
'sup DDO -- july 2013
annhasle
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1/11/2011 5:22:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/11/2011 3:37:54 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 1/11/2011 1:45:34 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/10/2011 8:54:10 AM, Chrysippus wrote:
Anyone else here read his works?

Life in a prison: "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."
Life in an anarchy: "liberating."

Discuss.

Fix'd. :D
He grew up in the anarchy of civil war. He knows what the lack of the sovereign entity is like first hand.

Like others have said, his experience of an "anarchy" does not logically substantiate that all anarchies are "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish and short".
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
annhasle
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1/11/2011 5:22:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/11/2011 3:40:22 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 1/11/2011 3:37:54 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 1/11/2011 1:45:34 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/10/2011 8:54:10 AM, Chrysippus wrote:
Anyone else here read his works?

Life in a prison: "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."
Life in an anarchy: "liberating."

Discuss.

Fix'd. :D
He grew up in the anarchy of civil war. He knows what the lack of the sovereign entity is like first hand.

I'm by no means an anarchist;

Not yet. ^_^
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
LaissezFaire
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1/11/2011 6:17:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/11/2011 3:37:54 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 1/11/2011 1:45:34 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/10/2011 8:54:10 AM, Chrysippus wrote:
Anyone else here read his works?

Life in a prison: "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."
Life in an anarchy: "liberating."

Discuss.

Fix'd. :D
He grew up in the anarchy of civil war. He knows what the lack of the sovereign entity is like first hand.

Civil war is hardly anarchy. Anarchy is no state, civil war is too many states.
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1/11/2011 6:30:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/11/2011 3:59:37 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 1/11/2011 3:54:38 PM, TheSkeptic wrote:
isn't analytic and original in his ideas.

You kidding? Hobbes was meticulous in defining his terms.
Welcome back.
Yes, but don't all philosophers? By analytic I meant as opposed to Idealist. Wouldn't you agree?

Do you mean as opposed to continental?
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