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Philosophical Dilemma: Does Man Exist?

GeoLaureate8
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1/19/2011 4:21:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Does man exist? Support your answer with a reasoned argument.

(This is one of the many topics in Michael Tsarions upcoming philosophy DVD so the answer will be known when it comes out, I just want to see if we can come close to the answer.)
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1/19/2011 4:26:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
No . . . humans exist . . .
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: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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1/19/2011 4:29:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 4:21:24 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Does man exist? Support your answer with a reasoned argument.

(This is one of the many topics in Michael Tsarions upcoming philosophy DVD so the answer will be known when it comes out, I just want to see if we can come close to the answer.)

this just in... michael tsarion is infallible. good to know!
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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1/19/2011 4:30:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 4:29:32 PM, belle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:21:24 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Does man exist? Support your answer with a reasoned argument.

(This is one of the many topics in Michael Tsarions upcoming philosophy DVD so the answer will be known when it comes out, I just want to see if we can come close to the answer.)

this just in... michael tsarion is infallible. good to know!

Or is it . . . ?
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
GeoLaureate8
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1/19/2011 4:35:35 PM
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At 1/19/2011 4:29:32 PM, belle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:21:24 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Does man exist? Support your answer with a reasoned argument.

(This is one of the many topics in Michael Tsarions upcoming philosophy DVD so the answer will be known when it comes out, I just want to see if we can come close to the answer.)

this just in... michael tsarion is infallible. good to know!

Yeah, he's the guy in my avatar. Every video on philosophy and psychology of his has been on point. (Philosophically, he's a Heideggerian but he goes even beyond that.)

Anyways, do you have an answer to the dilemma?
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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1/19/2011 4:36:55 PM
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At 1/19/2011 4:35:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:29:32 PM, belle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:21:24 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Does man exist? Support your answer with a reasoned argument.

(This is one of the many topics in Michael Tsarions upcoming philosophy DVD so the answer will be known when it comes out, I just want to see if we can come close to the answer.)

this just in... michael tsarion is infallible. good to know!

Yeah, he's the guy in my avatar. Every video on philosophy and psychology of his has been on point. (Philosophically, he's a Heideggerian but he goes even beyond that.)

Anyways, do you have an answer to the dilemma?

define "exist"
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1/19/2011 4:43:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 4:35:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:29:32 PM, belle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:21:24 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Does man exist? Support your answer with a reasoned argument.

(This is one of the many topics in Michael Tsarions upcoming philosophy DVD so the answer will be known when it comes out, I just want to see if we can come close to the answer.)

this just in... michael tsarion is infallible. good to know!

Yeah, he's the guy in my avatar. Every video on philosophy and psychology of his has been on point. (Philosophically, he's a Heideggerian but he goes even beyond that.)

Anyways, do you have an answer to the dilemma?

i really hate continental philosophy, lol.

but anyways, its hard to answer your question because i don't know what you're getting at. generally man in a concept meant to refer to those living creatures with advanced cognitive capacities in the abstract... its less scientific than "human" in that it seems to point to our specifically rational/mental qualities, rather than our biologial species. its conceivable that intelligent aliens could be considered men. as a concept it certainly exists. do concepts exist in a concrete sense? i'm gonna say no on that one.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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1/19/2011 4:45:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 4:36:55 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:35:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Anyways, do you have an answer to the dilemma?

define "exist"

To have actual being.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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1/19/2011 4:54:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 4:43:17 PM, belle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:35:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:29:32 PM, belle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:21:24 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Does man exist? Support your answer with a reasoned argument.

(This is one of the many topics in Michael Tsarions upcoming philosophy DVD so the answer will be known when it comes out, I just want to see if we can come close to the answer.)

this just in... michael tsarion is infallible. good to know!

Yeah, he's the guy in my avatar. Every video on philosophy and psychology of his has been on point. (Philosophically, he's a Heideggerian but he goes even beyond that.)

Anyways, do you have an answer to the dilemma?

i really hate continental philosophy, lol.

but anyways, its hard to answer your question because i don't know what you're getting at.

I honestly don't know either. I just saw the question and reposted it, though I do think I have an idea about what this question means. See below.

generally man in a concept meant to refer to those living creatures with advanced cognitive capacities in the abstract... its less scientific than "human" in that it seems to point to our specifically rational/mental qualities, rather than our biologial species. its conceivable that intelligent aliens could be considered men. as a concept it certainly exists. do concepts exist in a concrete sense? i'm gonna say no on that one.

I don't think this question is about biological specification or classification, but rather does man, in the ontological sense, exist. Really, we could ask the same question about animals as well, but the discussion would be a bit different.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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1/19/2011 4:57:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/19/2011 4:54:09 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I don't think this question is about biological specification or classification, but rather does man, in the ontological sense, exist. Really, we could ask the same question about animals as well, but the discussion would be a bit different.

i agree the concept "man" has little to do with our biology except that we haven't met anything else deserving of the label. clearly specific men (and women!) exist but theres no point asking that question. so i can only assume he's going after the concept, which, as a concept, certainly exists, but as an object, almost certainly does not. unless you considered concepts objects. :/

really though, i don't get why this question is interesting
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1/19/2011 9:45:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I exist, but the rest of you are just dancing around in my head.

I'd try to convince you, but what would be the point in convincing figments of my imagination anything?
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1/19/2011 10:05:49 PM
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At 1/19/2011 4:43:17 PM, belle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:35:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:29:32 PM, belle wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:21:24 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Does man exist? Support your answer with a reasoned argument.

(This is one of the many topics in Michael Tsarions upcoming philosophy DVD so the answer will be known when it comes out, I just want to see if we can come close to the answer.)

this just in... michael tsarion is infallible. good to know!

Yeah, he's the guy in my avatar. Every video on philosophy and psychology of his has been on point. (Philosophically, he's a Heideggerian but he goes even beyond that.)

Anyways, do you have an answer to the dilemma?

i really hate continental philosophy, lol.

This.

but anyways, its hard to answer your question because i don't know what you're getting at. generally man in a concept meant to refer to those living creatures with advanced cognitive capacities in the abstract... its less scientific than "human" in that it seems to point to our specifically rational/mental qualities, rather than our biologial species. its conceivable that intelligent aliens could be considered men. as a concept it certainly exists. do concepts exist in a concrete sense? i'm gonna say no on that one.

And this.
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1/20/2011 12:26:39 AM
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At 1/19/2011 11:10:59 PM, Dazedinday wrote:
Exist is a very funny thing.

I define myself as a man.
I exist.
Thus, man exists.

Equivocation. :P
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1/20/2011 3:05:06 AM
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Come on now, continental philosophy doesn't deserve all the hate it garners - there are substantive philosophical content worthy of understanding, it's just that often they are interpreted by a bias so strong it makes continental philosophy seem to be on the same level of idiocy as Michael Tsarion.
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1/20/2011 3:09:58 AM
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I exist, and I sometimes doubt that. Thats all I know.
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1/20/2011 3:16:19 AM
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At 1/20/2011 3:05:06 AM, TheSkeptic wrote:
Come on now, continental philosophy doesn't deserve all the hate it garners - there are substantive philosophical content worthy of understanding, it's just that often they are interpreted by a bias so strong it makes continental philosophy seem to be on the same level of idiocy as Michael Tsarion.

ROFL.
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1/20/2011 6:07:26 AM
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At 1/19/2011 10:05:49 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 1/19/2011 4:43:17 PM, belle wrote:
but anyways, its hard to answer your question because i don't know what you're getting at. generally man in a concept meant to refer to those living creatures with advanced cognitive capacities in the abstract... its less scientific than "human" in that it seems to point to our specifically rational/mental qualities, rather than our biologial species. its conceivable that intelligent aliens could be considered men. as a concept it certainly exists. do concepts exist in a concrete sense? i'm gonna say no on that one.

And this.

No. Read what I wrote afterwords:

GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I don't think this question is about biological specification or classification, but rather does man, in the ontological sense, exist.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

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-- Frederic Bastiat
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1/22/2011 3:18:02 PM
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The answer depends on what philosopher(s) you give more credence to.

For example, followers of Hume would most likely say Man does exist but that nothing can be added to the notion of Man to change that existence.

Followers of Kant would say there is no real predicate of existence. In response to Kant, Brentano argues that there is a predicate nature of existence.

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org...

As you move further in history we get to German Idealism which is the front end of continental philosophy. He would argue that man does not exist but can exist.

http://www.voegelinview.com...
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1/23/2011 1:53:21 PM
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Man is a word coined by human beings to be synonymous to the former.

If Man doesn't exist, that means humans don't exist, if they existed in the first place, according to the definition, which makes no utter sense.
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1/23/2011 1:56:52 PM
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* * * do women exist * * *
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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1/23/2011 1:57:42 PM
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At 1/23/2011 1:53:21 PM, rarugged wrote:
Man is a word coined by human beings to be synonymous to the former.

If Man doesn't exist, that means humans don't exist, if they existed in the first place, according to the definition, which makes no utter sense.

Yeah so "makes no utter sense" would mean that it does make sense. I am confused by your first part.
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1/23/2011 1:58:37 PM
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At 1/23/2011 1:56:52 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
* * * do women exist * * *

Because it's fact that women exist to serve men, if the latter was non-existent, the former must be.

Therefore, we're back to the original question.

I kid.
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