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2/27/2011 7:00:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Introduction:

I am simply an unterrified Jeffersonian Democrats. The best government is that which governs least, and that which governs least is no government at all.

Liberty is meaningless unless it includes the liberty of the individual to control his product or whatever his product has brought him through exchange in a free market — that is, private property.

In the case of land, absentee landlordism should not be permitted.

Socialism:

The most perfect Socialism is possible only on the condition of the most perfect individualism. Socialism is the claim that labor should be put in possession of its own.

Egoism:

Anarchism is a pragmatic compromise in which everyone agrees to follow the Law of Equal Freedom but there is nothing immoral in breaking it.

"We aim to decrease invasion only because, as a rule, invasion increases the total of pain (meaning, of course, pain suffered by the ego, whether directly or through sympathy with others). But it is precisely my contention that this rule, despite the immense importance which I place upon it, is not absolute; that, on the contrary, there are exceptional cases where invasion--that is, coercion of the non-invasive--lessens the aggregate pain. Therefore coercion of the non-invasive, when justifiable at all, is to be justified on the ground that it secures, not a minimum of invasion, but a minimum of pain. . . . [it is] axiomatic--that the ultimate end is the minimum of pain." - Benjamin Tucker

Any questions?
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2/27/2011 7:07:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/27/2011 7:06:41 PM, Sieben wrote:
If you abolish government, how will the mail get delivered?

i'll deliver it!
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2/27/2011 7:09:02 PM
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At 2/27/2011 7:07:36 PM, badger wrote:
At 2/27/2011 7:06:41 PM, Sieben wrote:
If you abolish government, how will the mail get delivered?

i'll deliver it!

...he'll be too busy running away from the people looking to eat him to be writing any letters though :(
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2/27/2011 7:09:13 PM
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At 2/27/2011 7:06:41 PM, Sieben wrote:
If you abolish government, how will the mail get delivered?

http://fair-use.org...
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2/27/2011 7:11:41 PM
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See also this:

http://fair-use.org...
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2/27/2011 7:20:21 PM
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At 2/27/2011 7:19:01 PM, Sieben wrote:
So badger is trolling.

these are my honest opinions.. what's wrong with them?
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2/27/2011 7:21:23 PM
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At 2/27/2011 7:20:21 PM, badger wrote:
At 2/27/2011 7:19:01 PM, Sieben wrote:
So badger is trolling.

these are my honest opinions.. what's wrong with them?

it's fun :) and anarchy does equal him getting eaten.. probably.. or him having some form of a sh1tty life anyway...
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2/27/2011 7:28:55 PM
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Anarchism is a pragmatic compromise in which everyone agrees to follow the Law of Equal Freedom but there is nothing immoral in breaking it.:

And if they don't agree to accept your law?

What if murder, rape, and pillage is more advantageous?

Why is it immoral if government oppresses you, but not immoral if pirates do it?
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2/27/2011 7:30:51 PM
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At 2/27/2011 7:28:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Anarchism is a pragmatic compromise in which everyone agrees to follow the Law of Equal Freedom but there is nothing immoral in breaking it.:

And if they don't agree to accept your law?

What if murder, rape, and pillage is more advantageous?

Why is it immoral if government oppresses you, but not immoral if pirates do it?

that's what i said!
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2/27/2011 7:32:54 PM
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At 2/27/2011 7:28:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Anarchism is a pragmatic compromise in which everyone agrees to follow the Law of Equal Freedom but there is nothing immoral in breaking it.:

And if they don't agree to accept your law?

Then I'll do what's expedient.

What if murder, rape, and pillage is more advantageous?

Then it is. Though I think that this would rarely be the case.

Why is it immoral if government oppresses you,

It's not. I'm just not fond of it.
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2/27/2011 7:35:20 PM
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At 2/27/2011 7:32:54 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/27/2011 7:28:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Anarchism is a pragmatic compromise in which everyone agrees to follow the Law of Equal Freedom but there is nothing immoral in breaking it.:

And if they don't agree to accept your law?

Then I'll do what's expedient.

What if murder, rape, and pillage is more advantageous?

Then it is. Though I think that this would rarely be the case.

Why is it immoral if government oppresses you,

It's not. I'm just not fond of it.:

If the whole premise is centered around what nasty things government can do to you, what difference is there if private entities do it to you? If the same result follows, where's the advantage?
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2/27/2011 7:35:58 PM
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At 2/27/2011 7:32:54 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/27/2011 7:28:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Anarchism is a pragmatic compromise in which everyone agrees to follow the Law of Equal Freedom but there is nothing immoral in breaking it.:

And if they don't agree to accept your law?

Then I'll do what's expedient.

pffffttt..

What if murder, rape, and pillage is more advantageous?

Then it is. Though I think that this would rarely be the case.

why the hell not? it'd always be the case.. who doesn't really want to murder, rape and pillage.. you've just not done any of them enough to know that you love them..

Why is it immoral if government oppresses you,

It's not. I'm just not fond of it.

it's better than being murdered, raped and pillaged.
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2/27/2011 7:36:19 PM
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At 2/27/2011 7:35:20 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
If the whole premise is centered around what nasty things government can do to you, what difference is there if private entities do it to you? If the same result follows, where's the advantage?

Agreed.
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2/27/2011 7:37:25 PM
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At 2/27/2011 7:35:20 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 2/27/2011 7:32:54 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/27/2011 7:28:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Anarchism is a pragmatic compromise in which everyone agrees to follow the Law of Equal Freedom but there is nothing immoral in breaking it.:

And if they don't agree to accept your law?

Then I'll do what's expedient.

What if murder, rape, and pillage is more advantageous?

Then it is. Though I think that this would rarely be the case.

Why is it immoral if government oppresses you,

It's not. I'm just not fond of it.:

If the whole premise is centered around what nasty things government can do to you, what difference is there if private entities do it to you? If the same result follows, where's the advantage?

nice! it'd be worse though!
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2/27/2011 7:38:02 PM
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At 2/27/2011 7:35:58 PM, badger wrote:
At 2/27/2011 7:32:54 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Then it is. Though I think that this would rarely be the case.

why the hell not? it'd always be the case.. who doesn't really want to murder, rape and pillage.. you've just not done any of them enough to know that you love them..

I imagine there would be some pretty profound social consequences for such antisocial actions.

Why is it immoral if government oppresses you,

It's not. I'm just not fond of it.

it's better than being murdered, raped and pillaged.

People are murdered, raped and pillaged by government. Every day, in fact.
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2/27/2011 7:48:52 PM
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At 2/27/2011 7:38:02 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/27/2011 7:35:58 PM, badger wrote:
At 2/27/2011 7:32:54 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Then it is. Though I think that this would rarely be the case.

why the hell not? it'd always be the case.. who doesn't really want to murder, rape and pillage.. you've just not done any of them enough to know that you love them..

I imagine there would be some pretty profound social consequences for such antisocial actions.

gangs would form.. government would form.. yada yada...tthat sorta stuff.. any attempt at by the people for the people is gonna work out better than any attempt at anarchy.. it should be fairly obvious..

Why is it immoral if government oppresses you,

It's not. I'm just not fond of it.

it's better than being murdered, raped and pillaged.

People are murdered, raped and pillaged by government. Every day, in fact.

i started reading brave new world recently.. i only got about 50 pages into it though.. lost the damn thing lol.. so far it seems like it'd be a cool world to me.. i'm assuming there's no murdering, raping and pillaging in it..or at least not that much.. don't ruin it for me if there is!... but that's firm government and fine government in my opinion.. i think we go for it! the people are idiots... they don't know what they want...
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2/27/2011 8:46:36 PM
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At 2/27/2011 8:07:40 PM, Grape wrote:
Brave New World is a great book. I'm surprised that it's not as often referenced as books like 1984.

i'd love if this world was like either of the worlds from those books.
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2/27/2011 8:48:48 PM
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At 2/27/2011 8:46:36 PM, badger wrote:
At 2/27/2011 8:07:40 PM, Grape wrote:
Brave New World is a great book. I'm surprised that it's not as often referenced as books like 1984.

i'd love if this world was like either of the worlds from those books.

that's got nothin' to do with anything here though.. :)
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2/27/2011 8:59:01 PM
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I've never understood how anarchism can work. People desire government and order. Even if no one did, groups of people would form and be at war with each other over territory and control; it would eventually turn into a dictatorship, which is still a form of government.
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2/27/2011 9:01:54 PM
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At 2/27/2011 8:59:01 PM, jmar8542 wrote:
I've never understood how anarchism can work. People desire government and order. Even if no one did, groups of people would form and be at war with each other over territory and control; it would eventually turn into a dictatorship, which is still a form of government.

you're a form of government!
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2/27/2011 9:04:15 PM
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At 2/27/2011 8:59:01 PM, jmar8542 wrote:
I've never understood how anarchism can work.

Have you actually researched it? Many users here claim they understand anarchy but have limited knowledge of what it entails. For some reason they disregard it as idealistic and childish without giving it the proper looking-over it deserves, IMO.

People desire government and order.

Uh, hell no. I sure don't desire government. And order would exist within anarchy.

Even if no one did, groups of people would form and be at war with each other over territory and control; it would eventually turn into a dictatorship, which is still a form of government.

Unsubstantiated assertion. I mean, it's almost a cliche at this point... >.>
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2/27/2011 9:13:43 PM
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I have to agree with Jmar though.

I consider myself an anarchist, however, just because I, and a lot of people do not desire government.. I'd say there are enough people who passionately against the idea of anarchy.

Human nature will always make anarchy impractical. Fear is a mighty good motivator for the state.

That is, unless you can open your mind to the possibility that we already live in an anarchist society.

The only thing that gives the state any true authority is acknowledgement. Violence doesn't give it any more authority than any other violent institution, and all violent institutions should all be treated in the same way.. ignored, and avoided if it is impossible to ignore.
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