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How can you support the wars?

FREEDO
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3/1/2011 3:06:56 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'll tell you how. Either you don't know what's really going on over there or you don't care. You might be surprised to see me state it like that; so matter of fact. I'm not known for that. But you can consider in your face about this one. There is no justification for what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. I urge you to just go and learn about it, about what's really happening. It's not heroic. We're not spreading democracy. We're not fighting terrorists. We are the terrorists! Wake up and smell the blood. Goddamn...
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3/1/2011 3:37:24 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Well considering I'm already against the wars(although I have mixed feelings about Afghanistan, because f*ck The Taliban) this doesn't really apply to me. :P
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3/1/2011 7:14:25 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/1/2011 3:06:56 AM, FREEDO wrote:
I'll tell you how. Either you don't know what's really going on over there or you don't care. You might be surprised to see me state it like that; so matter of fact. I'm not known for that. But you can consider in your face about this one. There is no justification for what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. I urge you to just go and learn about it, about what's really happening. It's not heroic. We're not spreading democracy. We're not fighting terrorists. We are the terrorists! Wake up and smell the blood. Goddamn...



This video was a liberal circle jerk.
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3/1/2011 9:45:41 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/1/2011 7:14:25 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:



This video was a liberal circle jerk.

You're a circle, jerk. :)

Seriously though, do you have anything to say in defence of war, torture and legitimised terrorism, or is it not worth trying to explain to a naive liberal like me?
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3/1/2011 10:13:38 AM
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I wanna post it to my fb, but I don't want my dad to yell at me for being an anti-american piece of shiit again.
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3/1/2011 11:29:56 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Videos are not good methods of argument when we have text. I don't go linking you to the John Galt series on youtube do I?
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3/1/2011 12:40:06 PM
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I have always been against the wars, they violate both my morals (omg I am not a nihilist) and my personal self-interest.

A case for war was simply never made.
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3/1/2011 1:06:04 PM
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You can't say soldiers aren't heroes, you can say our government is evil though.
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3/1/2011 1:07:44 PM
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At 3/1/2011 1:06:04 PM, lewis20 wrote:
You can't say soldiers aren't heroes

The German soldiers during World War II were not heroes.
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3/1/2011 1:23:21 PM
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At 3/1/2011 1:07:44 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:06:04 PM, lewis20 wrote:
You can't say soldiers aren't heroes

The German soldiers during World War II were not heroes.

Most were.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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3/1/2011 1:36:35 PM
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At 3/1/2011 1:23:21 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:07:44 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:06:04 PM, lewis20 wrote:
You can't say soldiers aren't heroes

The German soldiers during World War II were not heroes.

Most were.

Few were. Very, very few.
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3/1/2011 1:38:13 PM
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The vast majority of soldiers throughout history have been thugs. They do not deserve respect but instead hatred and contempt.
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3/1/2011 2:08:39 PM
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At 3/1/2011 12:40:06 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
I have always been against the wars, they violate both my morals (omg I am not a nihilist) and my personal self-interest.

A case for war was simply never made.

lol, it's ok. Nihilism is evil, so is objectivism.
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3/1/2011 2:09:27 PM
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At 3/1/2011 1:36:35 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:23:21 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:07:44 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:06:04 PM, lewis20 wrote:
You can't say soldiers aren't heroes

The German soldiers during World War II were not heroes.

Most were.

Few were. Very, very few.

I don't think he's talking about the SS, just the regular German army.
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3/1/2011 2:10:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I only watched about the first 20 seconds of the video because I can tell it's probably going to be more rhetorical than factual. The geopolitical mess in the ME is way more complex than just labeling US soldiers as Terrorists.
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3/1/2011 2:11:11 PM
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At 3/1/2011 2:09:27 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:36:35 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:23:21 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:07:44 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:06:04 PM, lewis20 wrote:
You can't say soldiers aren't heroes

The German soldiers during World War II were not heroes.

Most were.

Few were. Very, very few.

I don't think he's talking about the SS, just the regular German army.

The regular German Army was filled with contemptible men.
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3/1/2011 6:31:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
To be clear, I wasn't using the video as an argument. The thread is calling-out war-supporters to defend the institution.
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3/1/2011 6:35:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/1/2011 10:13:38 AM, lovelife wrote:
I wanna post it to my fb, but I don't want my dad to yell at me for being an anti-american piece of shiit again.

So if he does, call him an ignorant a$$-kissing patriot :P
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3/1/2011 6:43:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/1/2011 1:36:35 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:23:21 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:07:44 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/1/2011 1:06:04 PM, lewis20 wrote:
You can't say soldiers aren't heroes

The German soldiers during World War II were not heroes.

Most were.

Few were. Very, very few.

No, most were to their own country. They weren't heros to us (and we won, so we get to write the history books, so there).
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3/1/2011 7:02:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/1/2011 2:08:39 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/1/2011 12:40:06 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
I have always been against the wars, they violate both my morals (omg I am not a nihilist) and my personal self-interest.

A case for war was simply never made.

lol, it's ok. Nihilism is evil, so is objectivism.

With a lower case o?

Is that objectively true?
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3/1/2011 7:03:16 PM
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incidentally, define hero before arguing about it.
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3/1/2011 7:16:38 PM
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I do not support the existence of wars but I will not demonize the soldiers. Simple as that.
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3/1/2011 7:26:41 PM
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At 3/1/2011 7:16:38 PM, annhasle wrote:
I do not support the existence of wars but I will not demonize the soldiers. Simple as that.

I'm not going to challenge that but, curiously, why?
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3/1/2011 7:32:07 PM
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At 3/1/2011 7:16:38 PM, annhasle wrote:
I do not support the existence of wars but I will not demonize the soldiers. Simple as that.

Why take the responsibility off them? I suppose some members who were in there long term did not know they would be fighting an 'unjust war' (I do not have enough information to label the war as just or not), but what about soldiers who decided to continue or join the military despite knowing what they would be harming others?

If someone is a gun for hire, you would still criticize this person even if he just 'doing his/her job'.
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3/1/2011 7:34:09 PM
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At 3/1/2011 7:28:15 PM, Sieben wrote:
Emotion + politics = loss.

Not really. I wasn't actually inflamed about it but I know all the biggest political figures have appeal to emotion as their primary weapon and for good reason.
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3/1/2011 7:34:47 PM
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Because human conflict is fairly inevitable?

Wars aren't pretty but they're often the consequences of decisions we make. This is how we sometimes settle them - by killing each other. If you and I have a disagreement to the point where we do want to kill each other, you can't honestly tell me that you'd be against that kind of action, if it came to blows, especially if I were the first person to land such a blow.

Some people ask how you can't support certain wars. When you're being threatened by a certain force that you can't control through other means, what do you do? Sit back and allow the loss of your sovereignty, be it personal or national? I don't think so.
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3/1/2011 7:38:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/1/2011 7:26:41 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/1/2011 7:16:38 PM, annhasle wrote:
I do not support the existence of wars but I will not demonize the soldiers. Simple as that.

I'm not going to challenge that but, curiously, why?

I see no reason to. They are engaged in something I believe to be illogical, but it is their choice. Until they destroy my property or it somehow affects me, I'm quite neutral about their actions.
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.