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Reasoning
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3/5/2011 6:08:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
"Libertarians are antinomians, i.e., opposed to law and traditional institutions … Libertarianism is opposed to all conservative traditions, to tradition itself"

"For the ideological libertarians are not conservatives in any true meaning of that term of politics, nor do the more candid libertarians desire to be called conservatives. On the contrary, they are radical doctrinaires, contemptuous of our inheritance from our ancestors. They rejoice in the radicalism of Tom Paine; they even applaud those seventeenth-century radicals the Levellers and the Diggers, who would have pulled down all land-boundaries, and have pulled down, too, the whole framework of church and state…one may say of them in general that they are ‘philosophical anarchists'…They would sweep away political government; in this, they subscribe to Marx's notion of the withering away of the state."

"Any discussion of the relationships between conservatives and libertarians…naturally commences with an inquiry into what these disparate groups hold in common. These two bodies of opinion share a detestation of collectivism. They set their faces against the totalist state and the heavy hand of bureaucracy. That much is obvious enough. What else do conservatives and libertarians profess in common? The answer to that question is simple: nothing. Nor will they ever. To talk of forming a league or coalition between these two is like advocating a union of ice and fire."

"So in the nature of things conservatives and libertarians can conclude no friendly pact. Conservatives have no intention of compromising with socialists; but even such an alliance, ridiculous though it would be, is more nearly conceivable than the coalition of conservatives and libertarians…It is of high importance, indeed, that American conservatives dissociate themselves altogether from the little sour remnant called libertarians…such an association would tend to discredit the conservatives, giving aid and comfort to the collective adversaries of ordered freedom."

"The conservative regards the libertarian as impious, in the sense of the old Roman pietas: that is, the libertarian does not respect ancient beliefs and customs, or the natural world, or love of country."

"…the libertarian asserts that the state is the great oppressor. But the conservative finds that the state is natural and necessary for the fulfillment of human nature and the growth of civilization; it cannot be abolished unless humanity is abolished; it is ordained for our very existence."

- Russel Kirk
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
Chrysippus
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3/5/2011 7:46:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Were libertarians a homogeneous group, equally radical in their beliefs, Kirk would be pretty much right on here. There is, in my observations at least, quite a range of "hardnesses" of libertarian thought among the ordinary people; Libertarianism serving as a catch-all of folks disaffected from the status quo.

But, yes; this is why we conservatives try to disassociate ourselves from the libertarians to some extent. Something about the way we value law and order, and the libertarians generally only care about being left alone.
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Sieben
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3/5/2011 7:53:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/5/2011 7:46:16 PM, Chrysippus wrote:

Something about the way we value law and order, and the libertarians generally only care about being left alone.

I value law and order so highly that we don't think systematically violating people's rights is a very good idea.
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