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3/12/2011 6:48:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/12/2011 6:45:29 PM, flames wrote:
the bad economy:

It's a lot more complicated than that (it's more like a bad system that's designed to fail) but yes, those two @ss clowns made the largest contributions to the national debt.
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3/12/2011 6:49:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
though obama could of done alot better and had a few bad ideas I just wonder how do conservatives ignore that it was bush who handed a horrible economy to obama which was losing 600 000 jobs a month

and all the conservatives could come up with was repeating the same economic policy's of george bush that help create the mess
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3/12/2011 8:18:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Comparing obama to bush is making the same sense as comparing him to to reagan.
Bush was a real american who respected our country and our values unlike hussain obama who eagorly is trying to destroy it .
Here you see obama knowingly implomenting obamacare to destroy the economy listen to his own words:

"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system." --in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009"It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." --confusing German for "Austrian," a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009
At 3/12/2011 6:49:45 PM, flames wrote:
though obama could of done alot better and had a few bad ideas I just wonder how do conservatives ignore that it was bush who handed a horrible economy to obama which was losing 600 000 jobs a month

and all the conservatives could come up with was repeating the same economic policy's of george bush that help create the mess
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3/12/2011 9:49:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Obama loves america more and you know why, cause he's out bombing the terrorists who attacked america while george bush is responsible for over 2000 americans dieing in iraq in a war based on lies, their were never wmd's

Anyone who supported the iraq war and believed bush is an idiot and shouldn't have the right to vote this is why
If saddam had wmd's then why did he let the UN weapons inspectors in to investigate and why did they find nothing
why didn't the united states hand over the intelligence reports or go in to investigate for themselves if their were wmd's, remember days before the war begun saddam was willing to let anyone into iraq to investigate, he went from shutting his borders down to opening them up cause he was scared

Fact investigators went in and found nothing people should of known saddam didn't have weapons

otherwise it would of bin like a drug dealer who has a crack house letting the police come into the crack house to find the crack, unless the crack dealer is smoking his own crack common sence would have it that the crack dealer would keep the cops out of his house unless their was no crack then he would allow them in

Plus republicans and george bush thought clinton and his team were to obsessed with osama bin laden since the 93 terror attacks and cause of this 9/11 happened

clinton let osama get away when he could of bin handed over and bush had the chance to kill osama and let him get away not learning from clintons mistake

Clinton and obama are still two of the closest to killing osama thats why the usa is going hunting for these guys in nwfp pakistan

obama knew wwe needed healthcare reform and it was republicans who knew that america needed one to but they didn't want obama to pass this cause they wanted him to fail, obama's healthcare bill is similar to the republican one in 94, only reason dumb conservatives calling it a communist bill is cause their either stupid tea party members or racist tea party members or republicans doing what their party tells them to

avg american healthcare bill is $6000 a year in expensis
avg canadian healthcare bill is $3000 a year in expensis

now their are few advantages that the american healthcare system has over canadian but the canadian system still destroys the american system, if you havn't bin to canada to see for yourself and believe what fox news tells you about canadian healthcare then it would be better if you hung yourself cause your a waste of space

I believe that we need public and private healthcare, plus let the private sector compete all out but at the same time for family's with young children who have cancer and don't make enough to afford good quality health insurance the govt system to help them with that

obama loves america cause he took away the health ins right to ban people from getting coverage cause of pre exsisting conditions, what do you see as the fastest solution to help people with pre exsisting conditions getting proper health care that doesn't bankrupt them

oh ps number one cause of bankruptcy in america is cause of health bills

barack obama was good at bringing this issue up but one thing he lacked was pair of balls to fight for it all out and call the republicans out

SORRY BUT WHY IS FOX NEWS AND REPUBLICAN PARTY SO ANTI AMERICAN BY DENYING THE 9/11 EMERGENCY RESPONDERS HEALTH CARE FOR THE ILLNESS THEY GOT FOR WANTING TO HELP THEIR FELLOW AMERICANS AND OBAMA WAS AN IDIOT FOR NOT CALLING THEM OUT ON THIS ANTI AMERICAN BEHAVIOUR ESPECIALLY DURING THE HEALTHCARE DEBATE
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3/12/2011 9:50:35 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
george bush left a huge mess that obama is cleaning up

as well under obama more private sector jobs created then george bush did in his 8 years

only problem is that the government keeps letting go of people driving the unemployment up look at the numbers in the private sector jobs are being added in public sector jobs are being cut far faster

only way to stop this is government comming in to work out new salaries and saving those public sector jobs

Also obama didn't have the pair to stop the republican stimulas plan which was tax cuts for the rich so they can take that money and invest it in country's like china and india whilte the united states borrows that money from china to pay for the tax cuts and with the 16000 pages of tax loopholes the united states will never see that money come back in form of taxes

cutting taxes adds to deficits

conservative stimulase vs obama stimulase
the conservative one only created 1.1 million private sector jobs in 8 years
obama's passed that within 2 years and is still adding jobs
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3/12/2011 10:50:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Well here you go again.!! Since there is no need to respond to diatribe and cleshayes I will stick to the point.!!
Hussain obamas hate for us is coming from his own words no need to delve into WMD Saddam or the ozone layer atlanis,ufo,s etc..! Its simple obama said that private enterprise is performing and the gov isn't performing that's why he wants to turn healthcare into a gov enterprise..!! Its obama making it clear that he wants to do with the insurance industry what wall street did to the financial industry here is hsain obama in his words: I mean, if you think about -- if you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? No, they are. It's the Post Office that's always having problems that's why I want gov healthcare..!!
At 3/12/2011 9:49:21 PM, flames wrote:
Obama loves america more and you know why, cause he's out bombing the terrorists who attacked america while george bush is responsible for over 2000 americans dieing in iraq in a war based on lies, their were never wmd's

Anyone who supported the iraq war and believed bush is an idiot and shouldn't have the right to vote this is why
If saddam had wmd's then why did he let the UN weapons inspectors in to investigate and why did they find nothing
why didn't the united states hand over the intelligence reports or go in to investigate for themselves if their were wmd's, remember days before the war begun saddam was willing to let anyone into iraq to investigate, he went from shutting his borders down to opening them up cause he was scared

Fact investigators went in and found nothing people should of known saddam didn't have weapons

otherwise it would of bin like a drug dealer who has a crack house letting the police come into the crack house to find the crack, unless the crack dealer is smoking his own crack common sence would have it that the crack dealer would keep the cops out of his house unless their was no crack then he would allow them in

Plus republicans and george bush thought clinton and his team were to obsessed with osama bin laden since the 93 terror attacks and cause of this 9/11 happened

clinton let osama get away when he could of bin handed over and bush had the chance to kill osama and let him get away not learning from clintons mistake

Clinton and obama are still two of the closest to killing osama thats why the usa is going hunting for these guys in nwfp pakistan

obama knew wwe needed healthcare reform and it was republicans who knew that america needed one to but they didn't want obama to pass this cause they wanted him to fail, obama's healthcare bill is similar to the republican one in 94, only reason dumb conservatives calling it a communist bill is cause their either stupid tea party members or racist tea party members or republicans doing what their party tells them to

avg american healthcare bill is $6000 a year in expensis
avg canadian healthcare bill is $3000 a year in expensis

now their are few advantages that the american healthcare system has over canadian but the canadian system still destroys the american system, if you havn't bin to canada to see for yourself and believe what fox news tells you about canadian healthcare then it would be better if you hung yourself cause your a waste of space

I believe that we need public and private healthcare, plus let the private sector compete all out but at the same time for family's with young children who have cancer and don't make enough to afford good quality health insurance the govt system to help them with that

obama loves america cause he took away the health ins right to ban people from getting coverage cause of pre exsisting conditions, what do you see as the fastest solution to help people with pre exsisting conditions getting proper health care that doesn't bankrupt them

oh ps number one cause of bankruptcy in america is cause of health bills

barack obama was good at bringing this issue up but one thing he lacked was pair of balls to fight for it all out and call the republicans out

SORRY BUT WHY IS FOX NEWS AND REPUBLICAN PARTY SO ANTI AMERICAN BY DENYING THE 9/11 EMERGENCY RESPONDERS HEALTH CARE FOR THE ILLNESS THEY GOT FOR WANTING TO HELP THEIR FELLOW AMERICANS AND OBAMA WAS AN IDIOT FOR NOT CALLING THEM OUT ON THIS ANTI AMERICAN BEHAVIOUR ESPECIALLY DURING THE HEALTHCARE DEBATE
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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3/12/2011 11:07:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/12/2011 6:49:45 PM, flames wrote:
and all the conservatives could come up with was repeating the same economic policy's of george bush that help create the mess

Actually, that's all Obama could come up with. Except more so.

Debt? More debt. Medicare part D? Universal health care. Subsidized credit? More subsidized credit.
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3/13/2011 2:49:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
obama becamse a coward and didn't fight the deficit by letting bush tax cuts expire and instead did add to the deficit by extending them

But obama wanting to invest and inovate education is better then forgetting about education like conservatives want to do cause they think their is a communist conspiracy, but then again anyone who follows glenn beck and believes his bs is an idiot and should hang themselves

Investing in green energy knowing it will be the next big boom, and you have to give time for technology to develope in the early 90's computers and phones were horrible and expnsive today they are cheap and of high quality

When it comes to green energy whats happening today is no different then what happened in the early 90's clinton invested in technology and conservatives said he was wasting money and when all that investment led to the dotcom era then the conservatives wanted to take credit for it cause they were to stupid to come up with ideas of their own, same thing with green sector obama is doing what clinton did in the 90's

Healthcare reform didn't go far enough but we need more reform, and no obamacare was not a govt take over of healthcare For anyone who believes this they need to go jump off a bridge cause people with no common sence are dangerous to our society, obama healthcare reform forces people to take up more individual responsibility and buy private health insurance rather then rely on medicare to take care of them

conservatives believe in degrugulations which got us into this mess, obama wanted more regulations on wallstreet but did somethign even though it wasn't much with financial reform wall street needs to be regulated they can't be trusted they showed us this, when goldman sackhs is selling investments to their clients designed to fail so they can profit you can tell that something has gone wrong
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3/13/2011 5:35:02 PM
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But obama wanting to invest and inovate education is better then forgetting about education like conservatives want to do cause they think their is a communist conspiracy, but then again anyone who follows glenn beck and believes his bs is an idiot and should hang themselves
Shove that straw man up your a** and try again.


Investing in green energy knowing it will be the next big boom , and you have to give time for technology to develope in the early 90's computers and phones were horrible and expnsive today they are cheap and of high quality
In case you didn't realize this, people overinvested and went bankrupt because of that. Now imagine what happens when the government mandates investment. Have you never heard of the dotcom crash? Some people profited, yes. The ones with intelligent ideas, not the ones who were trying to conform to some boom like you insist the bureaucrats should.


Healthcare reform didn't go far enough but we need more reform
We can start by abolishing the twisting of incentives caused by FDR-era regulations that make health care so expensive.

and no obamacare was not a govt take over of healthcare For anyone who believes this they need to go jump off a brigde
This is debate.org. Not adhom.maddow.

obama healthcare reform forces people to take up more individual responsibility
Forcing someone to take responsibility is like shooting someone to cure them. It doesn't work by definition.

and buy private health insurance rather then rely on medicare to take care of them
Obama's healthcare reform has nothing whatsoever to do with medicare. Private healthcare insurance does not exist, under Obama or before that-- what there is is fascist health insurance-- "Privately owned" but what it constitutes is under government dictates.


conservatives believe in degrugulations which got us into this mess
No, in fact, "This mess" occurred in some of the most heavily regulated sectors we have. Any more than token deregulation has never occurred, let alone "degrugulation."

when goldman sackhs is selling investments to their clients designed to fail so they can profit you can tell that something has gone wrong
They were selling investments designed according to customer specifications. It's no different from a bookie taking your bet on some sports team even if that bookie thinks you're a moron.
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3/13/2011 8:37:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
If you check his responses you will find its all the same and typical perhapes he is a copy and paster or a hired nut job etc.: At 3/13/2011 5:35:02 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

But obama wanting to invest and inovate education is better then forgetting about education like conservatives want to do cause they think their is a communist conspiracy, but then again anyone who follows glenn beck and believes his bs is an idiot and should hang themselves
Shove that straw man up your a** and try again.


Investing in green energy knowing it will be the next big boom , and you have to give time for technology to develope in the early 90's computers and phones were horrible and expnsive today they are cheap and of high quality
In case you didn't realize this, people overinvested and went bankrupt because of that. Now imagine what happens when the government mandates investment. Have you never heard of the dotcom crash? Some people profited, yes. The ones with intelligent ideas, not the ones who were trying to conform to some boom like you insist the bureaucrats should.





Healthcare reform didn't go far enough but we need more reform
We can start by abolishing the twisting of incentives caused by FDR-era regulations that make health care so expensive.

and no obamacare was not a govt take over of healthcare For anyone who believes this they need to go jump off a brigde
This is debate.org. Not adhom.maddow.

obama healthcare reform forces people to take up more individual responsibility
Forcing someone to take responsibility is like shooting someone to cure them. It doesn't work by definition.

and buy private health insurance rather then rely on medicare to take care of them
Obama's healthcare reform has nothing whatsoever to do with medicare. Private healthcare insurance does not exist, under Obama or before that-- what there is is fascist health insurance-- "Privately owned" but what it constitutes is under government dictates.


conservatives believe in degrugulations which got us into this mess
No, in fact, "This mess" occurred in some of the most heavily regulated sectors we have. Any more than token deregulation has never occurred, let alone "degrugulation."

when goldman sackhs is selling investments to their clients designed to fail so they can profit you can tell that something has gone wrong
They were selling investments designed according to customer specifications. It's no different from a bookie taking your bet on some sports team even if that bookie thinks you're a moron.
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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3/13/2011 8:52:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
To be honest, this economic hardship crap happened before Obama was put into office, so I highly doubt it was his fault.

That said, I blame the american people.

That includes all of you!

*points menacingly at everyone in the topic*

But not me... *runs away*
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3/13/2011 11:07:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/13/2011 8:52:32 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
To be honest, this economic hardship crap happened before Obama was put into office, so I highly doubt it was his fault.


That said, I blame the american people.

That includes all of you!

*points menacingly at everyone in the topic*


But not me... *runs away*

Banker versus flames is a great read. They should start a debate.
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3/13/2011 11:57:29 PM
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At 3/13/2011 8:37:53 PM, banker wrote:
I realized in that one thread that it was really stupid of me to ruin my "banker" persona by bashing Reagan, so I started flames to do any future trolling that comes from my lib'rul alter ego.
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3/14/2011 12:34:16 AM
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At 3/13/2011 2:49:56 PM, flames wrote:
conservatives believe in degrugulations which got us into this mess...

I'm a conservative (on most things, anyway), and I've never even heard of a degrugulation. Is it something like the forest walrus or the pacific northwest tree octopus?
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