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3/12/2011 6:47:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
why are so many people against giving hard working illegal immigrants citizenship

if they don't break any laws and work long hours for low pay why not give them a break and give them citizenship

and about them crossing the border illegally makes them criminals well then you can say united states was built on stealing and criminals
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3/12/2011 6:48:19 PM
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at the end of the day if these illegals that work hard and don't commit crime were white they would of bin given citizenships by now fact
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3/13/2011 7:11:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
They don't get the citizenship because they broke the law in coming here. Hence, ILLEGAL. And no, our country wasn't built on law breakers and thieves. There were no laws for us to break in coming and stole nothing. There were no laws to prevent our coming. Also, illegals do commit crimes. They are here illegally, they have stolen to benefit themselves (my dad's friend had some steal from them), and they don't pay taxes. Just to name a few. Also, ever heard of the drug cartels? Finally, not all illegals are Mexican, there are white ones to. They are, however, all supposed to be thrown out.
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3/13/2011 7:14:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/12/2011 6:48:19 PM, flames wrote:
at the end of the day if these illegals that work hard and don't commit crime were white they would of bin given citizenships by now fact

HA HA HA HA HA HA.
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3/13/2011 7:24:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
A lot of legal immigrant are actually against illegal immigration citizenship. It annoys them that they had to work hard , follow the law, and do the paper work
to come here legally, and then these jack@sses come to the country illegally.
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3/13/2011 8:00:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/13/2011 7:24:21 PM, darkkermit wrote:
A lot of legal immigrant are actually against illegal immigration citizenship. It annoys them that they had to work hard , follow the law, and do the paper work
to come here legally, and then these jack@sses come to the country illegally.

Well, yeah, and if there were a requirement to cut your nuts off to drive, eunuchs would be very much against a change in policy. This doesn't mean it's good to have such a policy.

(A more IRL example is the permission-to-drive-a-taxi tokens in New York that cost thousands of dollars, being fixed issue, and thus lead to taxi shortages. Taxi drivers are stridently against any change to the policy).
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3/14/2011 7:38:41 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/12/2011 6:47:42 PM, flames wrote:
why are so many people against giving hard working illegal immigrants citizenship

if they don't break any laws and work long hours for low pay why not give them a break and give them citizenship

and about them crossing the border illegally makes them criminals well then you can say united states was built on stealing and criminals

Dude...

First of all mate, lets take a look at what the world illegal means.

Definition: il·le·gal
[ih-lee-guhl]

–adjective
1. forbidden by law or statute.
2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc

http://dictionary.reference.com...

Now, you mention that illegal immigrants don't break any laws. That is an oxymoron itself, given what the word illegal means. Any second grader can figure this out.

Also, the United States wasn't built on stealing and criminals. I assume by this reference you mean the European American settlers coming here? If that is what you mean I hope to let you know that there weren't any rules saying that settlers couldn't come to America. There also wasn't an official United States of America at the point when Europeans came to America. It was just a slab of land. The U.S. only truly became the United States of America whenever it was officially recognized from the Declaration of Independence in 1776. America was built by people who were citizens of the then 13 colonies and then immediately after the Declaration of Independence was signed, and the Revolutionary War was over, they were Americans. So to say that this country was founded on stealing and criminals is outright absurd.
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3/14/2011 8:04:34 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/14/2011 7:38:41 AM, Extremely-Far-Right wrote:

First of all mate, lets take a look at what the world illegal means.

Are you English?

Definition: il·le·gal
[ih-lee-guhl]

–adjective
1. forbidden by law or statute.
2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc

http://dictionary.reference.com...

Now, you mention that illegal immigrants don't break any laws. That is an oxymoron itself, given what the word illegal means. Any second grader can figure this out.

Nice semantics on the definition of illegality, but presumably you do understand that the OP means that if they are generally law abiding they should be allowed to stay.

Also, the United States wasn't built on stealing and criminals. I assume by this reference you mean the European American settlers coming here? If that is what you mean I hope to let you know that there weren't any rules saying that settlers couldn't come to America. There also wasn't an official United States of America at the point when Europeans came to America. It was just a slab of land. The U.S. only truly became the United States of America whenever it was officially recognized from the Declaration of Independence in 1776. America was built by people who were citizens of the then 13 colonies and then immediately after the Declaration of Independence was signed, and the Revolutionary War was over, they were Americans. So to say that this country was founded on stealing and criminals is outright absurd.

Well stealing is stealing whether it is outlawed or not (see the view most people here have on taxation) and most settlers would have come from countries where the actions they committed would have been regarded as crimes.

Since you lke semantics so much, you should also be aware that the primary definition of "criminal", according to Princeton wordnet is merely "condemnable".

Is your moral compass solely informed by the laws of nations? Just because there is no official rule on something, is it automatically okay? Do you believe that the first European settlers in America acted entirely morally?
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3/14/2011 8:13:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/14/2011 7:38:41 AM, Extremely-Far-Right wrote:
At 3/12/2011 6:47:42 PM, flames wrote:
why are so many people against giving hard working illegal immigrants citizenship

if they don't break any laws and work long hours for low pay why not give them a break and give them citizenship

and about them crossing the border illegally makes them criminals well then you can say united states was built on stealing and criminals

Dude...

First of all mate, lets take a look at what the world illegal means.

Definition: il·le·gal
[ih-lee-guhl]

–adjective
1. forbidden by law or statute.
2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc

http://dictionary.reference.com...

Now, you mention that illegal immigrants don't break any laws. That is an oxymoron itself, given what the word illegal means. Any second grader can figure this out.

Also, the United States wasn't built on stealing and criminals. I assume by this reference you mean the European American settlers coming here? If that is what you mean I hope to let you know that there weren't any rules saying that settlers couldn't come to America. There also wasn't an official United States of America at the point when Europeans came to America. It was just a slab of land. The U.S. only truly became the United States of America whenever it was officially recognized from the Declaration of Independence in 1776. America was built by people who were citizens of the then 13 colonies and then immediately after the Declaration of Independence was signed, and the Revolutionary War was over, they were Americans. So to say that this country was founded on stealing and criminals is outright absurd.

It is irrelevent whether it was an officially recognised country. We came and we stole it, as we forcibly removed the indigenous residents.
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3/14/2011 5:06:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/14/2011 8:13:50 AM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 3/14/2011 7:38:41 AM, Extremely-Far-Right wrote:
At 3/12/2011 6:47:42 PM, flames wrote:
why are so many people against giving hard working illegal immigrants citizenship

if they don't break any laws and work long hours for low pay why not give them a break and give them citizenship

and about them crossing the border illegally makes them criminals well then you can say united states was built on stealing and criminals

Dude...

First of all mate, lets take a look at what the world illegal means.

Definition: il·le·gal
[ih-lee-guhl]

–adjective
1. forbidden by law or statute.
2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc

http://dictionary.reference.com...

Now, you mention that illegal immigrants don't break any laws. That is an oxymoron itself, given what the word illegal means. Any second grader can figure this out.

Also, the United States wasn't built on stealing and criminals. I assume by this reference you mean the European American settlers coming here? If that is what you mean I hope to let you know that there weren't any rules saying that settlers couldn't come to America. There also wasn't an official United States of America at the point when Europeans came to America. It was just a slab of land. The U.S. only truly became the United States of America whenever it was officially recognized from the Declaration of Independence in 1776. America was built by people who were citizens of the then 13 colonies and then immediately after the Declaration of Independence was signed, and the Revolutionary War was over, they were Americans. So to say that this country was founded on stealing and criminals is outright absurd.

It is irrelevent whether it was an officially recognised country. We came and we stole it, as we forcibly removed the indigenous residents.

Yes I know we stole it. But I was referring to his (Thaddeus's) reference of us stealing the United States. Technically I guess one could say that we stole the land, but definitely not the United States that we recognize today as Thaddeus mentioned.
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3/14/2011 6:11:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/12/2011 6:47:42 PM, flames wrote:
why are so many people against giving hard working illegal immigrants citizenship

It's called xenophobia. Some people call it conservatism. Whatever you call it, it is the state of mine that THIS COUNTRY IS MINE AND TOO HELL WITH THEM! You can see this behavior in many countries, including N Korea, China, and Iran. Although their conservatives aren't Christian whiteboys, they are essentially the same in heart and in mind.

if they don't break any laws and work long hours for low pay why not give them a break and give them citizenship

Because then they wouldn't work long hours for low pay. Duh.

and about them crossing the border illegally makes them criminals well then you can say united states was built on stealing and criminals

Please don't remind the right-wingers that America was gained by deciet and genocide. When we slaughtered the buffalo to choke off their food supply it was just legitimate business.
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3/14/2011 6:15:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/14/2011 6:11:51 PM, Rob1_Billion wrote:
At 3/12/2011 6:47:42 PM, flames wrote:
why are so many people against giving hard working illegal immigrants citizenship

It's called xenophobia. Some people call it conservatism. Whatever you call it, it is the state of mine that THIS COUNTRY IS MINE AND TOO HELL WITH THEM! You can see this behavior in many countries, including N Korea, China, and Iran. Although their conservatives aren't Christian whiteboys, they are essentially the same in heart and in mind.

if they don't break any laws and work long hours for low pay why not give them a break and give them citizenship

Because then they wouldn't work long hours for low pay. Duh.

and about them crossing the border illegally makes them criminals well then you can say united states was built on stealing and criminals

Please don't remind the right-wingers that America was gained by deciet and genocide. When we slaughtered the buffalo to choke off their food supply it was just legitimate business.

That sounds more like nationalism (leading into fascism), than conservatism (though the two often hold hands). It is also different if talking about paleo-conservatism or neo-conservatism (which I was surprise not to hear that term tossed around in the 2010 elections).
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3/15/2011 8:56:42 PM
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At 3/14/2011 6:15:36 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 3/14/2011 6:11:51 PM, Rob1_Billion wrote:
At 3/12/2011 6:47:42 PM, flames wrote:
why are so many people against giving hard working illegal immigrants citizenship

It's called xenophobia. Some people call it conservatism. Whatever you call it, it is the state of mine that THIS COUNTRY IS MINE AND TOO HELL WITH THEM! You can see this behavior in many countries, including N Korea, China, and Iran. Although their conservatives aren't Christian whiteboys, they are essentially the same in heart and in mind.

if they don't break any laws and work long hours for low pay why not give them a break and give them citizenship

Because then they wouldn't work long hours for low pay. Duh.

and about them crossing the border illegally makes them criminals well then you can say united states was built on stealing and criminals

Please don't remind the right-wingers that America was gained by deciet and genocide. When we slaughtered the buffalo to choke off their food supply it was just legitimate business.

That sounds more like nationalism (leading into fascism), than conservatism (though the two often hold hands). It is also different if talking about paleo-conservatism or neo-conservatism (which I was surprise not to hear that term tossed around in the 2010 elections).

I'm sorry...but conservatism is actually far away from facism, if anything liberalism is more close to fascism.
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3/15/2011 9:01:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/15/2011 8:56:42 PM, Extremely-Far-Right wrote:

I'm sorry...but conservatism is actually far away from facism, if anything liberalism is more close to fascism.

People accuse me of being a fascist quite a bit. :/
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3/15/2011 9:53:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/13/2011 7:11:50 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
They don't get the citizenship because they broke the law in coming here. Hence, ILLEGAL. And no, our country wasn't built on law breakers and thieves. There were no laws for us to break in coming and stole nothing. There were no laws to prevent our coming. Also, illegals do commit crimes. They are here illegally, they have stolen to benefit themselves (my dad's friend had some steal from them), and they don't pay taxes. Just to name a few. Also, ever heard of the drug cartels? Finally, not all illegals are Mexican, there are white ones to. They are, however, all supposed to be thrown out.

I think kicking Native Americans out of their houses and off their land and in return giving them reservations and casinos should be against the law.
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3/15/2011 10:57:49 PM
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At 3/15/2011 9:53:23 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 3/13/2011 7:11:50 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
They don't get the citizenship because they broke the law in coming here. Hence, ILLEGAL. And no, our country wasn't built on law breakers and thieves. There were no laws for us to break in coming and stole nothing. There were no laws to prevent our coming. Also, illegals do commit crimes. They are here illegally, they have stolen to benefit themselves (my dad's friend had some steal from them), and they don't pay taxes. Just to name a few. Also, ever heard of the drug cartels? Finally, not all illegals are Mexican, there are white ones to. They are, however, all supposed to be thrown out.

I think kicking Native Americans out of their houses and off their land and in return giving them reservations and casinos should be against the law.

I think creating a private central bank to control fiscal policy of the united states should be against the law.
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3/15/2011 10:58:15 PM
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Why don't they just come here legally and there wouldn't be a problem?
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3/16/2011 12:33:07 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/15/2011 10:58:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Why don't they just come here legally and there wouldn't be a problem?

thats right, they can just waltz in and apply for citizenship and its granted. huzzah!

....oh wait
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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3/16/2011 12:59:58 AM
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At 3/16/2011 12:33:07 AM, belle wrote:
At 3/15/2011 10:58:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Why don't they just come here legally and there wouldn't be a problem?

thats right, they can just waltz in and apply for citizenship and its granted. huzzah!

....oh wait

No I mean I honestly don't know, Whats wrong with a work visa or simply waiting in line like everyone else to come to America legally. Is the quota of foreign workers we accept each year too low? How long does it take to get to come to America?
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3/16/2011 1:38:49 AM
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At 3/16/2011 12:59:58 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 12:33:07 AM, belle wrote:
At 3/15/2011 10:58:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Why don't they just come here legally and there wouldn't be a problem?

thats right, they can just waltz in and apply for citizenship and its granted. huzzah!

....oh wait

No I mean I honestly don't know, Whats wrong with a work visa or simply waiting in line like everyone else to come to America legally. Is the quota of foreign workers we accept each year too low? How long does it take to get to come to America?

Depends... How much money do you have?
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3/16/2011 2:06:31 AM
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At 3/16/2011 1:38:49 AM, Rob1_Billion wrote:
At 3/16/2011 12:59:58 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 12:33:07 AM, belle wrote:
At 3/15/2011 10:58:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Why don't they just come here legally and there wouldn't be a problem?

thats right, they can just waltz in and apply for citizenship and its granted. huzzah!

....oh wait

No I mean I honestly don't know, Whats wrong with a work visa or simply waiting in line like everyone else to come to America legally. Is the quota of foreign workers we accept each year too low? How long does it take to get to come to America?

Depends... How much money do you have?

Is there some immigration czar who is willing to bump you to the front of the line for a few Benjamins
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