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3/16/2011 2:34:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
A TA at my school has recently come under fire for her status update on Facebook, and I quote:

"My student's papers are making me dumber, so very stupid; by the minute. Please, make them, stop. They are infecting me with there huge and apparent stupidity, and I fear they will start to effect in my opinion the way i myself right papers."

The issue is currently under investigation and I've noticed that Facebook has played a huge role in several people's jobs (eg. one guy got fired from his job for having 'obscene' photos on his Facebook; a friend of mine didn't get hired with the police because they checked his Facebook page).

What are your thoughts on this? Should people have the freedom to post what they want on their own Facebook pages or should this be a lesson learned to watch what you put on the internet?
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3/16/2011 2:38:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
He should be fired for that grammar alone. If you're a TA (for some sort of writing intensive class, I assume), and insulting your students' writing, you should at least TRY to write correctly.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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3/16/2011 2:39:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/16/2011 2:38:37 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
He should be fired for that grammar alone. If you're a TA (for some sort of writing intensive class, I assume), and insulting your students' writing, you should at least TRY to write correctly.

Or was he doing that on purpose, to make fun of the students. That would make more sense.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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3/16/2011 2:40:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/16/2011 2:34:26 PM, nonentity wrote:
A TA at my school has recently come under fire for her status update on Facebook, and I quote:

"My student's papers are making me dumber, so very stupid; by the minute. Please, make them, stop. They are infecting me with there huge and apparent stupidity, and I fear they will start to effect in my opinion the way i myself right papers."

The issue is currently under investigation and I've noticed that Facebook has played a huge role in several people's jobs (eg. one guy got fired from his job for having 'obscene' photos on his Facebook; a friend of mine didn't get hired with the police because they checked his Facebook page).

What are your thoughts on this? Should people have the freedom to post what they want on their own Facebook pages or should this be a lesson learned to watch what you put on the internet?

I thought there are settings to make stuff private?
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3/16/2011 2:40:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/16/2011 2:39:29 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:38:37 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
He should be fired for that grammar alone. If you're a TA (for some sort of writing intensive class, I assume), and insulting your students' writing, you should at least TRY to write correctly.

Or was he doing that on purpose, to make fun of the students. That would make more sense.

Even I thought so.
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3/16/2011 2:41:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/16/2011 2:39:29 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:38:37 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
He should be fired for that grammar alone. If you're a TA (for some sort of writing intensive class, I assume), and insulting your students' writing, you should at least TRY to write correctly.

Or was he doing that on purpose, to make fun of the students. That would make more sense.

She. And yes, it was on purpose.
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3/16/2011 2:42:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Anyway, freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to say whatever you want with no consequences whatsoever. It just means that no one (including the government) has the right to physically attack you for what you say or write. If I go around yelling racial slurs at people, everyone has the right to stop associating with me for doing so. Same thing applies to employers and whatever they find offensive.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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3/16/2011 2:48:37 PM
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I also thought you had privacy settings on your facebook.... also, why the hell would you friend your boss and students on FB while you are working at your job and with those students?
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3/16/2011 2:57:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/16/2011 2:42:23 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Anyway, freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to say whatever you want with no consequences whatsoever. It just means that no one (including the government) has the right to physically attack you for what you say or write. If I go around yelling racial slurs at people, everyone has the right to stop associating with me for doing so. Same thing applies to employers and whatever they find offensive.

Yes, but people should be rational about what's considered offensive. Insulting someones intelligence is not something that should be considered offensive as something like racial slurs or making fun of someones dead parents or things like that.
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3/16/2011 3:01:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/16/2011 2:57:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:42:23 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Anyway, freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to say whatever you want with no consequences whatsoever. It just means that no one (including the government) has the right to physically attack you for what you say or write. If I go around yelling racial slurs at people, everyone has the right to stop associating with me for doing so. Same thing applies to employers and whatever they find offensive.

Yes, but people should be rational about what's considered offensive. Insulting someones intelligence is not something that should be considered offensive as something like racial slurs or making fun of someones dead parents or things like that.

If you're a teacher/TA/whatever, and you're making fun of students, it's inappropriate. I personally think it's funny, but I don't think it's up to you or me to decide what others should or shouldn't be offended by--it's their right to dislike whatever they want.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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3/16/2011 3:07:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/16/2011 2:57:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:42:23 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Anyway, freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to say whatever you want with no consequences whatsoever. It just means that no one (including the government) has the right to physically attack you for what you say or write. If I go around yelling racial slurs at people, everyone has the right to stop associating with me for doing so. Same thing applies to employers and whatever they find offensive.

Yes, but people should be rational about what's considered offensive. Insulting someones intelligence is not something that should be considered offensive as something like racial slurs or making fun of someones dead parents or things like that.

What if their lack of intelligence is not ostensibly due to any fault of their own? :)
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3/16/2011 3:14:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/16/2011 3:01:16 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:57:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:42:23 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Anyway, freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to say whatever you want with no consequences whatsoever. It just means that no one (including the government) has the right to physically attack you for what you say or write. If I go around yelling racial slurs at people, everyone has the right to stop associating with me for doing so. Same thing applies to employers and whatever they find offensive.

Yes, but people should be rational about what's considered offensive. Insulting someones intelligence is not something that should be considered offensive as something like racial slurs or making fun of someones dead parents or things like that.

If you're a teacher/TA/whatever, and you're making fun of students, it's inappropriate. I personally think it's funny, but I don't think it's up to you or me to decide what others should or shouldn't be offended by--it's their right to dislike whatever they want.

I am very offended by that and you depleted my morale. I will have to contact the authorities and take legal action because I get to decide what's personally offensive to me.
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3/16/2011 3:16:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/16/2011 3:14:55 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 3:01:16 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:57:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:42:23 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Anyway, freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to say whatever you want with no consequences whatsoever. It just means that no one (including the government) has the right to physically attack you for what you say or write. If I go around yelling racial slurs at people, everyone has the right to stop associating with me for doing so. Same thing applies to employers and whatever they find offensive.

Yes, but people should be rational about what's considered offensive. Insulting someones intelligence is not something that should be considered offensive as something like racial slurs or making fun of someones dead parents or things like that.

If you're a teacher/TA/whatever, and you're making fun of students, it's inappropriate. I personally think it's funny, but I don't think it's up to you or me to decide what others should or shouldn't be offended by--it's their right to dislike whatever they want.

I am very offended by that and you depleted my morale. I will have to contact the authorities and take legal action because I get to decide what's personally offensive to me.

Did I say the state should enforce people's delicate sensibilities? I said you have the right to be offended. You can stop talking to me if you want to, or do anything else that's peaceful.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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3/16/2011 3:17:33 PM
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At 3/16/2011 2:34:26 PM, nonentity wrote:
A TA at my school has recently come under fire for her status update on Facebook, and I quote:

"My student's papers are making me dumber, so very stupid; by the minute. Please, make them, stop. They are infecting me with there huge and apparent stupidity, and I fear they will start to effect in my opinion the way i myself right papers."

The issue is currently under investigation and I've noticed that Facebook has played a huge role in several people's jobs (eg. one guy got fired from his job for having 'obscene' photos on his Facebook; a friend of mine didn't get hired with the police because they checked his Facebook page).

What are your thoughts on this? Should people have the freedom to post what they want on their own Facebook pages or should this be a lesson learned to watch what you put on the internet?

They do have the freedom to say what they want. But that does not mean that they will not be held accountable for what they say. It should be no different than if the TA said it in person at the school.
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3/16/2011 3:19:06 PM
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At 3/16/2011 3:14:55 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 3:01:16 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:57:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:42:23 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Anyway, freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to say whatever you want with no consequences whatsoever. It just means that no one (including the government) has the right to physically attack you for what you say or write. If I go around yelling racial slurs at people, everyone has the right to stop associating with me for doing so. Same thing applies to employers and whatever they find offensive.

Yes, but people should be rational about what's considered offensive. Insulting someones intelligence is not something that should be considered offensive as something like racial slurs or making fun of someones dead parents or things like that.

If you're a teacher/TA/whatever, and you're making fun of students, it's inappropriate. I personally think it's funny, but I don't think it's up to you or me to decide what others should or shouldn't be offended by--it's their right to dislike whatever they want.

I am very offended by that and you depleted my morale. I will have to contact the authorities and take legal action because I get to decide what's personally offensive to me.

be our guest, you are allowed to have personal opinions on what you find offensive, and if you want, you can report it to my boss, who is free to choose to release me from employment if he so chooses.
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3/16/2011 3:38:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/16/2011 3:16:56 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 3/16/2011 3:14:55 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 3:01:16 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:57:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:42:23 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Anyway, freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to say whatever you want with no consequences whatsoever. It just means that no one (including the government) has the right to physically attack you for what you say or write. If I go around yelling racial slurs at people, everyone has the right to stop associating with me for doing so. Same thing applies to employers and whatever they find offensive.

Yes, but people should be rational about what's considered offensive. Insulting someones intelligence is not something that should be considered offensive as something like racial slurs or making fun of someones dead parents or things like that.

If you're a teacher/TA/whatever, and you're making fun of students, it's inappropriate. I personally think it's funny, but I don't think it's up to you or me to decide what others should or shouldn't be offended by--it's their right to dislike whatever they want.

I am very offended by that and you depleted my morale. I will have to contact the authorities and take legal action because I get to decide what's personally offensive to me.

Did I say the state should enforce people's delicate sensibilities? I said you have the right to be offended. You can stop talking to me if you want to, or do anything else that's peaceful.

You have offended me once again. You're fired.
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3/16/2011 3:42:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/16/2011 3:38:55 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 3:16:56 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 3/16/2011 3:14:55 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 3:01:16 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:57:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/16/2011 2:42:23 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Anyway, freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to say whatever you want with no consequences whatsoever. It just means that no one (including the government) has the right to physically attack you for what you say or write. If I go around yelling racial slurs at people, everyone has the right to stop associating with me for doing so. Same thing applies to employers and whatever they find offensive.

Yes, but people should be rational about what's considered offensive. Insulting someones intelligence is not something that should be considered offensive as something like racial slurs or making fun of someones dead parents or things like that.

If you're a teacher/TA/whatever, and you're making fun of students, it's inappropriate. I personally think it's funny, but I don't think it's up to you or me to decide what others should or shouldn't be offended by--it's their right to dislike whatever they want.

I am very offended by that and you depleted my morale. I will have to contact the authorities and take legal action because I get to decide what's personally offensive to me.

Did I say the state should enforce people's delicate sensibilities? I said you have the right to be offended. You can stop talking to me if you want to, or do anything else that's peaceful.

You have offended me once again. You're fired.

That's fine. It's your money--you have the right to use it to hire whoever you wish.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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3/16/2011 3:45:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/16/2011 3:38:55 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You have offended me once again. You're fired.

so you're saying bosses aren't allowed to irrationally hire or fire anyone? good luck enforcing that! also my guess is that working for someone that easily offended is probably uber stressful and totally not worth it. lol.

and yeah if you don't want to get in trouble for your facebook posts, make them private. huzzah!

aaaaaaaalso my friend is a TA for a philosophy class at SFSU and while he won't show me any papers he said that if the students write anything that sounds vaguely like an approximation of what the original philosopher was saying they get at least a B hehe
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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3/16/2011 6:47:12 PM
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At 3/16/2011 3:42:53 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:

That's fine. It's your money--you have the right to use it to hire whoever you wish.

Umm, unless you are working for a small business, it isn't the Boss's money, so they don't have that particular entitlement.

Personally, my view is that people are entitled to say whatever they wish on their Facebook seeing as those reading it either must choose to associate with that person or actively seek out that person's page to see what they are saying. The flip side, as has already been mentioned, words have consequences, and so while an individual does have the right to say as they please, others have the right to react and/or be offended by what you say.

In this case though, that TA should not have been fired. People are too sensitive to the words of others (in my opinion.) If those students were writing unintelligent things, there is no reason someone should be offended when someone else calls those students out on it.