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3/29/2011 3:12:16 PM
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Neither man killed a single person (though Hitler did kill himself and assisted his wife in suicide).

I find it odd that either of these men are demonized given that they were just exorcising free speech. Charles Manson was not even at the scene of the crime that he was accused of and Hitler was not even present at the massacres (except the one time that he was present, he was ill).

Of course Hitler should be criticized for his reprehensible views but he should not be accused of killing 6 million people. Charles Manson on the other hand is wholly innocent (except stealing a car) and should actually be commended for his views.

I just recently got into a discussion about this so I thought I'd see what DDO says.
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3/29/2011 3:16:30 PM
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If I hire a hitman to murder someone, does that make me not a murderer?
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3/29/2011 3:17:03 PM
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If you want to get really technical, all of their "victims" died because their hearts stopped working, and that should be viewed as their own faults (if your heart stops working, should I be blamed just cause I was the last to touch you?).

But really, if you pay someone to kill your spouse, should you be innocent of any charges?
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3/29/2011 3:17:27 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:16:30 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
If I hire a hitman to murder someone, does that make me not a murderer?

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3/29/2011 3:24:32 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:16:30 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
If I hire a hitman to murder someone, does that make me not a murderer?

Well, neither Hitler nor Charles Manson paid people to kill. Manson never even gave directions to kill.

However, given your situation, the person who hired a hitman does share a bit more responsibility because that person paid for a service. Although, if someone merely ASKED some guy to go kill someone, he is not as responsible. In either case, the hitman committed the murder and thus should be held responsible for killing, though the person who hired him should also share resonsibility but should only be charged for being a co-conspirator.
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3/29/2011 3:26:35 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:24:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:16:30 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
If I hire a hitman to murder someone, does that make me not a murderer?

Well, neither Hitler nor Charles Manson paid people to kill. Manson never even gave directions to kill.

The S.S. and Germany army weren't paid?
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3/29/2011 3:30:14 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:24:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:16:30 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
If I hire a hitman to murder someone, does that make me not a murderer?

Well, neither Hitler nor Charles Manson paid people to kill. Manson never even gave directions to kill.

They may not have directly paid for it, but they convinced people to do it (just with words, rather than with money).


However, given your situation, the person who hired a hitman does share a bit more responsibility because that person paid for a service. Although, if someone merely ASKED some guy to go kill someone, he is not as responsible. In either case, the hitman committed the murder and thus should be held responsible for killing, though the person who hired him should also share resonsibility but should only be charged for being a co-conspirator.

Naw, I think they both should get charged with murder.
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3/29/2011 3:31:54 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:26:35 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:24:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:16:30 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
If I hire a hitman to murder someone, does that make me not a murderer?

Well, neither Hitler nor Charles Manson paid people to kill. Manson never even gave directions to kill.

The S.S. and Germany army weren't paid?

Let's say my boss asked me to do something unethical. Am I being paid to do that task that is out of my job description? Or is it simply a request with no monetary incentive behind it given that I'm already recieving a steady paycheck?

Regardless, the money didn't come from Hitlers own pocket I doubt.
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3/29/2011 3:34:14 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:12:16 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Neither man killed a single person (though Hitler did kill himself and assisted his wife in suicide).

I find it odd that either of these men are demonized given that they were just exorcising free speech. Charles Manson was not even at the scene of the crime that he was accused of and Hitler was not even present at the massacres (except the one time that he was present, he was ill).

Of course Hitler should be criticized for his reprehensible views but he should not be accused of killing 6 million people. Charles Manson on the other hand is wholly innocent (except stealing a car) and should actually be commended for his views.


I just recently got into a discussion about this so I thought I'd see what DDO says.

Look at it this way, if Hitler hadn't done the things that he did, it is more than likely that 6 million jews and 5 million others wouldn't have died. It is because of the policies that Hitler wanted accomplished that killed so many people. So let me guess...you also saying that he isn't responsible for any of the deaths that happened whenever Germany invaded other countries? That including the Holocaust is about 50 million deaths right there.
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3/29/2011 3:34:58 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:31:54 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:26:35 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:24:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:16:30 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
If I hire a hitman to murder someone, does that make me not a murderer?

Well, neither Hitler nor Charles Manson paid people to kill. Manson never even gave directions to kill.

The S.S. and Germany army weren't paid?

Let's say my boss asked me to do something unethical. Am I being paid to do that task that is out of my job description? Or is it simply a request with no monetary incentive behind it given that I'm already recieving a steady paycheck?

So if the SS had just disobeyed and said "fück it," you don't think they would have lost their jobs and/or been imprisoned?

Regardless, the money didn't come from Hitlers own pocket I doubt.

It came from the taxpayer money he was in charge of administering. What's the difference?
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3/29/2011 3:35:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
@OreEle

If I tell you to jump off a bridge, would you? And if you did, am I to be blamed and charged with murder?
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3/29/2011 3:36:24 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:31:54 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:26:35 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:24:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:16:30 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
If I hire a hitman to murder someone, does that make me not a murderer?

Well, neither Hitler nor Charles Manson paid people to kill. Manson never even gave directions to kill.

The S.S. and Germany army weren't paid?

Let's say my boss asked me to do something unethical. Am I being paid to do that task that is out of my job description? Or is it simply a request with no monetary incentive behind it given that I'm already recieving a steady paycheck?
If your job is 'concentration camp guard', then yes, it is out of your job description.

Regardless, the money didn't come from Hitlers own pocket I doubt.
So, if you earn money and use it to buy a hitman, that's wrong. But if you steal it from taxpayers first, that's OK?
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3/29/2011 3:37:02 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:35:11 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@OreEle

If I tell you to jump off a bridge, would you? And if you did, am I to be blamed and charged with murder?

Only if you use your Illuminati mind control powers to make him do it.
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3/29/2011 3:41:28 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:36:24 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:31:54 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:26:35 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:24:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:16:30 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
If I hire a hitman to murder someone, does that make me not a murderer?

Well, neither Hitler nor Charles Manson paid people to kill. Manson never even gave directions to kill.

The S.S. and Germany army weren't paid?

Let's say my boss asked me to do something unethical. Am I being paid to do that task that is out of my job description? Or is it simply a request with no monetary incentive behind it given that I'm already recieving a steady paycheck?
If your job is 'concentration camp guard', then yes, it is out of your job description.

I'm pretty sure they were just regular soldiers that were just given rather unordinary orders. It was almost a covert operation because even the higher up officials didn't know what was actually happening.

Regardless, the money didn't come from Hitlers own pocket I doubt.
So, if you earn money and use it to buy a hitman, that's wrong. But if you steal it from taxpayers first, that's OK?

Even then, Hitler didn't physically go up to people and take their money.
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3/29/2011 3:44:38 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:35:11 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@OreEle

If I tell you to jump off a bridge, would you? And if you did, am I to be blamed and charged with murder?

Intent and seriousness. Not to mention, your example would be suicide, not murder.

There's a difference in "man, I would love to kill my boss" and "my boss takes this route home from work and will be at this intersection. Now, I know that he doesn't lock his car at work, so I can go in and cut his seatbelt and his airbag. Then I can remove the stop sign at that intersection, and you come driving this big truck and plow into him, and kill him. You'll be fine from any charges, because we can blame the removed stop sign on kids..."
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3/29/2011 3:45:58 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:12:16 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Neither man killed a single person (though Hitler did kill himself and assisted his wife in suicide).

I find it odd that either of these men are demonized given that they were just exorcising free speech. Charles Manson was not even at the scene of the crime that he was accused of and Hitler was not even present at the massacres (except the one time that he was present, he was ill).

Of course Hitler should be criticized for his reprehensible views but he should not be accused of killing 6 million people. Charles Manson on the other hand is wholly innocent (except stealing a car) and should actually be commended for his views.


I just recently got into a discussion about this so I thought I'd see what DDO says.

Neither Hitler, nor his followers can be accused of murder, as what they did was legal. If a person is legally executed, it doesn't count as murder, does it?
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3/29/2011 3:46:19 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:41:28 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Even then, Hitler didn't physically go up to people and take their money.
Are you excluding mental force? If so, you are contradicting yourself. You can impossibly force someone to do something that you are not doing for him, except by manipulating his mind. If you want to physically force someone to do something, then you need to exercise mental manipulation. That is what Hitler did. Just because his way of manipulating with peoples' minds was not necessarily directly physical (in many cases), there is still mental manipulation going on, which is a requirement for physical force. Therefore, your argument is null and negated.
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3/29/2011 3:47:27 PM
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I want you guys to picture a day in the life of Hitler with just a camera lens that ONLY focused on his person.

You will see a man who wakes up, eats breakfast, put on his uniform, go stand on a podium and talk a bunch of nonsense, walks off, goes back home, and goes to sleep.

He probably does this weekly, maybe attend a few meetings here and there, do a bunch of talking and goes on with his daily routine.

Remember, the lens is focused only on him. You won't see any acts of violence or misconduct, except maybe a bit of shouting.

What unethical act has been committed?
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3/29/2011 3:52:43 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:45:58 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:12:16 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Neither man killed a single person (though Hitler did kill himself and assisted his wife in suicide).

I find it odd that either of these men are demonized given that they were just exorcising free speech. Charles Manson was not even at the scene of the crime that he was accused of and Hitler was not even present at the massacres (except the one time that he was present, he was ill).

Of course Hitler should be criticized for his reprehensible views but he should not be accused of killing 6 million people. Charles Manson on the other hand is wholly innocent (except stealing a car) and should actually be commended for his views.


I just recently got into a discussion about this so I thought I'd see what DDO says.

Neither Hitler, nor his followers can be accused of murder, as what they did was legal. If a person is legally executed, it doesn't count as murder, does it?

That's not what I'm talking about. Of course it wouldn't he classified as murder given that everything was done according to law, however I'm saying that Hitler didn't kill anybody legally or illegally. Personally, I think it's a futile point that the Nazis didn't murder because that's not what they are accused of. We accuse them of mass slaughter. We don't care if they did it legally, it's still atrocious.
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3/29/2011 3:54:20 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:41:28 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:36:24 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:31:54 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:26:35 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:24:32 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:16:30 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
If I hire a hitman to murder someone, does that make me not a murderer?

Well, neither Hitler nor Charles Manson paid people to kill. Manson never even gave directions to kill.

The S.S. and Germany army weren't paid?

Let's say my boss asked me to do something unethical. Am I being paid to do that task that is out of my job description? Or is it simply a request with no monetary incentive behind it given that I'm already recieving a steady paycheck?
If your job is 'concentration camp guard', then yes, it is out of your job description.

I'm pretty sure they were just regular soldiers that were just given rather unordinary orders. It was almost a covert operation because even the higher up officials didn't know what was actually happening.

Yeah, that is what they all said, I'm sure Nazi leaders wouldn't lie, right?


Regardless, the money didn't come from Hitlers own pocket I doubt.
So, if you earn money and use it to buy a hitman, that's wrong. But if you steal it from taxpayers first, that's OK?

Even then, Hitler didn't physically go up to people and take their money.

So?
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3/29/2011 3:55:53 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:47:27 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I want you guys to picture a day in the life of Hitler with just a camera lens that ONLY focused on his person.

You will see a man who wakes up, eats breakfast, put on his uniform, go stand on a podium and talk a bunch of nonsense, walks off, goes back home, and goes to sleep.

He probably does this weekly, maybe attend a few meetings here and there, do a bunch of talking and goes on with his daily routine.

Remember, the lens is focused only on him. You won't see any acts of violence or misconduct, except maybe a bit of shouting.

What unethical act has been committed?

Geo, you can't be serious.

I want you guys to picture a day in the life of President Michele Bachmann with just a camera lens that ONLY focused on her person.

You will see a woman who wakes up, eats breakfast, put on her uniform, goes to stand on a podium and talk a bunch of nonsense, walks off, goes back home, pushes a big red button on her desk, then goes to bed.

Ten minutes later, Iran has been turned into glass.

Clearly, she's done nothing wrong here.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Ten months later, they're teaching that the earth is 10,000 years old in science classrooms around the country ;)
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3/29/2011 3:56:15 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:47:27 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I want you guys to picture a day in the life of Hitler with just a camera lens that ONLY focused on his person.

You will see a man who wakes up, eats breakfast, put on his uniform, go stand on a podium and talk a bunch of nonsense, walks off, goes back home, and goes to sleep.

He probably does this weekly, maybe attend a few meetings here and there, do a bunch of talking and goes on with his daily routine.

Remember, the lens is focused only on him. You won't see any acts of violence or misconduct, except maybe a bit of shouting.

What unethical act has been committed?

Read inside the third reich. He does a bit more than you are suggesting.
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3/29/2011 3:56:41 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:52:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:45:58 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:12:16 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Neither man killed a single person (though Hitler did kill himself and assisted his wife in suicide).

I find it odd that either of these men are demonized given that they were just exorcising free speech. Charles Manson was not even at the scene of the crime that he was accused of and Hitler was not even present at the massacres (except the one time that he was present, he was ill).

Of course Hitler should be criticized for his reprehensible views but he should not be accused of killing 6 million people. Charles Manson on the other hand is wholly innocent (except stealing a car) and should actually be commended for his views.


I just recently got into a discussion about this so I thought I'd see what DDO says.

Neither Hitler, nor his followers can be accused of murder, as what they did was legal. If a person is legally executed, it doesn't count as murder, does it?

That's not what I'm talking about. Of course it wouldn't he classified as murder given that everything was done according to law, however I'm saying that Hitler didn't kill anybody legally or illegally. Personally, I think it's a futile point that the Nazis didn't murder because that's not what they are accused of. We accuse them of mass slaughter. We don't care if they did it legally, it's still atrocious.

In that case, even Hitler's followers cannot be accused of killing those people.

As an aside, according to your example, the guys who killed all those people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be the guys who dropped the bomb?
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3/29/2011 3:58:36 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:34:58 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
So if the SS had just disobeyed and said "fück it," you don't think they would have lost their jobs and/or been imprisoned?

Would Hitler have done the imprisoning or would he have asked someone else to do it?
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3/29/2011 3:58:54 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:56:15 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:47:27 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I want you guys to picture a day in the life of Hitler with just a camera lens that ONLY focused on his person.

You will see a man who wakes up, eats breakfast, put on his uniform, go stand on a podium and talk a bunch of nonsense, walks off, goes back home, and goes to sleep.

He probably does this weekly, maybe attend a few meetings here and there, do a bunch of talking and goes on with his daily routine.

Remember, the lens is focused only on him. You won't see any acts of violence or misconduct, except maybe a bit of shouting.

What unethical act has been committed?

Read inside the third reich. He does a bit more than you are suggesting.

Fire away then. Regardless, killing still won't be on his resume.
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3/29/2011 4:00:21 PM
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"Should it be illegal, we may next inquire, to 'incite to riot'? Suppose that Green exhorts a crowd: 'Go! Burn! Loot! Kill!' and the mob proceeds to do just that, with Green having nothing further to do with these criminal activities. Since every man is free to adopt or not adopt any course of action he wishes, we cannot say that in some way Green determined the members of the mob to their criminal activities; we cannot make him, because of his exhortation, at all responsible for their crimes. 'Inciting to riot,' therefore, is a pure exercise of a man's right to speak without being thereby implicated in crime." - Murray Rothbard
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3/29/2011 4:02:33 PM
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At 3/29/2011 3:55:53 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:47:27 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I want you guys to picture a day in the life of Hitler with just a camera lens that ONLY focused on his person.

You will see a man who wakes up, eats breakfast, put on his uniform, go stand on a podium and talk a bunch of nonsense, walks off, goes back home, and goes to sleep.

He probably does this weekly, maybe attend a few meetings here and there, do a bunch of talking and goes on with his daily routine.

Remember, the lens is focused only on him. You won't see any acts of violence or misconduct, except maybe a bit of shouting.

What unethical act has been committed?

Geo, you can't be serious.

I want you guys to picture a day in the life of President Michele Bachmann with just a camera lens that ONLY focused on her person.

You will see a woman who wakes up, eats breakfast, put on her uniform, goes to stand on a podium and talk a bunch of nonsense, walks off, goes back home, pushes a big red button on her desk, then goes to bed.

Ten minutes later, Iran has been turned into glass.

Clearly, she's done nothing wrong here.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Ten months later, they're teaching that the earth is 10,000 years old in science classrooms around the country ;)

Analogy notwithstanding. The red button that triggers an explosive is the equivelant of the trigger on a gun. The example I gave included no killing devices being triggered.
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3/29/2011 4:05:53 PM
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Geo, are you legitimately retarded? Hitler ordered the setting up of the T4 Euthanasia programme. A Euthanasia programme. He authorized murder directly.
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3/29/2011 4:07:02 PM
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At 3/29/2011 4:02:33 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:55:53 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 3/29/2011 3:47:27 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I want you guys to picture a day in the life of Hitler with just a camera lens that ONLY focused on his person.

You will see a man who wakes up, eats breakfast, put on his uniform, go stand on a podium and talk a bunch of nonsense, walks off, goes back home, and goes to sleep.

He probably does this weekly, maybe attend a few meetings here and there, do a bunch of talking and goes on with his daily routine.

Remember, the lens is focused only on him. You won't see any acts of violence or misconduct, except maybe a bit of shouting.

What unethical act has been committed?

Geo, you can't be serious.

I want you guys to picture a day in the life of President Michele Bachmann with just a camera lens that ONLY focused on her person.

You will see a woman who wakes up, eats breakfast, put on her uniform, goes to stand on a podium and talk a bunch of nonsense, walks off, goes back home, pushes a big red button on her desk, then goes to bed.

Ten minutes later, Iran has been turned into glass.

Clearly, she's done nothing wrong here.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Ten months later, they're teaching that the earth is 10,000 years old in science classrooms around the country ;)

Analogy notwithstanding. The red button that triggers an explosive is the equivelant of the trigger on a gun. The example I gave included no killing devices being triggered.

then how did all those people die? I'm pretty sure that somewhere in WW2 and in the concentration camps a trigger was pulled or a button pushed. I'm just sure of it.
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3/29/2011 4:07:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/29/2011 4:07:02 PM, OreEle wrote:
then how did all those people die? I'm pretty sure that somewhere in WW2 and in the concentration camps a trigger was pulled or a button pushed. I'm just sure of it.

Sure, but did Hitler push it?
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