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4/25/2011 5:22:18 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
ARE YOU READY? I CAN'T BELIEVE IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME SOONER!

I am applying the same twisted logic behind Discordianism in religion to politics. I thought I did this before. I had always assumed that it implied Anarchism. I was wrong for the Goddess has now, at the right time, revealed to me it's true implications!

I'm drinking out of a vase!

It is not just a system on it's own. It is not Anarchistic or Statist, nor Capitalist or Socialist, nor any other convoluted ism. It is a set of bent political principals to be applied under any circumstances and through any system. Chaos consumes all.

What the fvck is a katzenklavier???

I don't have a name for it yet but I'm working on it. The first thing that popped into my head was Chaocracy, which is brilliant, but it turns out that's used as a synonym for Lottocracy.
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4/25/2011 9:42:12 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I prefer a burritocracy.
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4/25/2011 10:15:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 5:22:18 AM, FREEDO wrote:
ARE YOU READY? I CAN'T BELIEVE IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME SOONER!

I am applying the same twisted logic behind Discordianism in religion to politics. I thought I did this before. I had always assumed that it implied Anarchism. I was wrong for the Goddess has now, at the right time, revealed to me it's true implications!

I'm drinking out of a vase!

It is not just a system on it's own. It is not Anarchistic or Statist, nor Capitalist or Socialist, nor any other convoluted ism. It is a set of bent political principals to be applied under any circumstances and through any system. Chaos consumes all.

What the fvck is a katzenklavier???

I don't have a name for it yet but I'm working on it. The first thing that popped into my head was Chaocracy, which is brilliant, but it turns out that's used as a synonym for Lottocracy.

Try making things as you spontaneously would have them ;)

if that includes laws.. it includes laws.

you don't need to "Impose Chaos" if you think the world's already that way.. just let it take it's own course.

That's INCLUDING taking Your Will as it comes.

Accepting/Embracing your will.. you might want Laws passed...
if so, Try to pass them.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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4/25/2011 11:07:36 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
-Freedo's All New Political Philosophy-

1) Says "F*ck the man even better than before!" t(-_-t)

2) New motion-activated sensors enact new laws!

3) Upgraded software allows ease of access to all the amenities. Enjoy at home, at work, or on the go!

4) No more fumbling with that remote control! Cybernetic implants take care of all your day-to-day activities.

5) Order your version of FreedoVille 5.0 today!

6) Call within the next *15* minutes and also get these exciting plug-ins, totally FREE!
- Freedocracy: experience the country run Freedo-stlye.
- FreedTopia: for the hippie in you.
- FreedoChaotica: experience chaos at the next level.
- FreedoMANIA!: Total insanity! No one has survived this more than 15 minutes...
- Freed3.0 revisited: Anarcho-capitalist digitally remastered.
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4/25/2011 1:10:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
You have taken the same stance as the Global Elites. Their motto is "Ordo ab Chao," Order Out of Chaos. That's because the Elites like chaos, so they claim order is chaos.

I can't believe you have went in the complete opposite direction and sided with the Elites!
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4/26/2011 12:38:55 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 11:07:36 AM, Rob1_Billion wrote:
-Freedo's All New Political Philosophy-

1) Says "F*ck the man even better than before!" t(-_-t)

2) New motion-activated sensors enact new laws!

3) Upgraded software allows ease of access to all the amenities. Enjoy at home, at work, or on the go!

4) No more fumbling with that remote control! Cybernetic implants take care of all your day-to-day activities.

5) Order your version of FreedoVille 5.0 today!

6) Call within the next *15* minutes and also get these exciting plug-ins, totally FREE!
- Freedocracy: experience the country run Freedo-stlye.
- FreedTopia: for the hippie in you.
- FreedoChaotica: experience chaos at the next level.
- FreedoMANIA!: Total insanity! No one has survived this more than 15 minutes...
- Freed3.0 revisited: Anarcho-capitalist digitally remastered.

So much win here. 10/10
GRAND POOBAH OF DDO

fnord
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4/26/2011 12:40:12 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 1:10:10 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You have taken the same stance as the Global Elites. Their motto is "Ordo ab Chao," Order Out of Chaos. That's because the Elites like chaos, so they claim order is chaos.

I can't believe you have went in the complete opposite direction and sided with the Elites!

If that is their motto then I have been on their side for a long time.

OH MY FUUUCKING GOD....epiphany....it is all so clear now.
GRAND POOBAH OF DDO

fnord
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4/26/2011 12:41:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 12:40:12 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 4/25/2011 1:10:10 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You have taken the same stance as the Global Elites. Their motto is "Ordo ab Chao," Order Out of Chaos. That's because the Elites like chaos, so they claim order is chaos.

I can't believe you have went in the complete opposite direction and sided with the Elites!

If that is their motto then I have been on their side for a long time.

OH MY FUUUCKING GOD....epiphany....it is all so clear now.

THE ULTIMATE CONSPIRACY:

All the people who have every changed the world, whether for good or evil, have all been Discordians.
Jesus
Gandhi
Hitler
George Bush
All the others.
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4/26/2011 12:43:07 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 8:50:37 AM, Sieben wrote:
Oh freedo, you're so different and interesting.

You take that back.
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fnord
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4/26/2011 2:03:04 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
anarchy (n)

Synonyms: disorder, chaos, lawlessness, anarchism, revolution, mayhem, rebellion, mobocracy, ochlocracy, riot
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4/26/2011 2:20:49 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 2:03:04 AM, Puck wrote:
anarchy (n)

Synonyms: disorder, chaos, lawlessness, anarchism, revolution, mayhem, rebellion, mobocracy, ochlocracy, riot

Anarchy, as an ideology, is not synonymous with most of those things. They are ad hominems against Anarchism.
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4/26/2011 2:25:47 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 2:20:49 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 4/26/2011 2:03:04 AM, Puck wrote:
anarchy (n)

Synonyms: disorder, chaos, lawlessness, anarchism, revolution, mayhem, rebellion, mobocracy, ochlocracy, riot

Anarchy, as an ideology, is not synonymous with most of those things. They are ad hominems against Anarchism.

Anarchy is a word. There are multiple ideologies that can use the word anarchy. Not all definitions of anarchy are ideological. Not all ideological definitions of anarchy are related. Whether your ideology of members: #1 is synonymous I care not. :)
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4/26/2011 7:02:17 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 2:25:47 AM, Puck wrote:
At 4/26/2011 2:20:49 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 4/26/2011 2:03:04 AM, Puck wrote:
anarchy (n)

Synonyms: disorder, chaos, lawlessness, anarchism, revolution, mayhem, rebellion, mobocracy, ochlocracy, riot

Anarchy, as an ideology, is not synonymous with most of those things. They are ad hominems against Anarchism.

Anarchy is a word. There are multiple ideologies that can use the word anarchy. Not all definitions of anarchy are ideological. Not all ideological definitions of anarchy are related. Whether your ideology of members: #1 is synonymous I care not. :)
Surely you do agree that anarchism in practice is somewhat chaotic.
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4/26/2011 8:07:44 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 7:02:17 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 4/26/2011 2:25:47 AM, Puck wrote:
At 4/26/2011 2:20:49 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 4/26/2011 2:03:04 AM, Puck wrote:
anarchy (n)

Synonyms: disorder, chaos, lawlessness, anarchism, revolution, mayhem, rebellion, mobocracy, ochlocracy, riot

Anarchy, as an ideology, is not synonymous with most of those things. They are ad hominems against Anarchism.

Anarchy is a word. There are multiple ideologies that can use the word anarchy. Not all definitions of anarchy are ideological. Not all ideological definitions of anarchy are related. Whether your ideology of members: #1 is synonymous I care not. :)
Surely you do agree that anarchism in practice is somewhat chaotic.

Unsubstantiated.

Surely you do agree that statism in practice is somewhat chaotic. Inb4 "but I only support good statism"

HUr hur hur I only support good anarchism
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4/26/2011 8:14:40 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 8:07:44 AM, Sieben wrote:
At 4/26/2011 7:02:17 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 4/26/2011 2:25:47 AM, Puck wrote:
At 4/26/2011 2:20:49 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 4/26/2011 2:03:04 AM, Puck wrote:
anarchy (n)

Synonyms: disorder, chaos, lawlessness, anarchism, revolution, mayhem, rebellion, mobocracy, ochlocracy, riot

Anarchy, as an ideology, is not synonymous with most of those things. They are ad hominems against Anarchism.

Anarchy is a word. There are multiple ideologies that can use the word anarchy. Not all definitions of anarchy are ideological. Not all ideological definitions of anarchy are related. Whether your ideology of members: #1 is synonymous I care not. :)
Surely you do agree that anarchism in practice is somewhat chaotic.

Unsubstantiated.
I did not claim anarchism is somewhat chaotic (not that I necessarily disagree). I am referring to what he believes about it. He certainly does oppose anarchism (not libertarianism).

Surely you do agree that statism in practice is somewhat chaotic. Inb4 "but I only support good statism"

HUr hur hur I only support good anarchism
Irrelevant.
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4/26/2011 8:25:19 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 8:14:40 AM, Mirza wrote:

Surely you do agree that anarchism in practice is somewhat chaotic.

Unsubstantiated.
I did not claim anarchism is somewhat chaotic (not that I necessarily disagree).

Confused by the bolded.

I am referring to what he believes about it. He certainly does oppose anarchism (not libertarianism).

Who? Which "he"? There are multiple people in the post you're responding to. The most logical choice is Freedo, who is an anarchist. Regardless, his beliefs about anarchism are independent of whether or not anarchism is "chaotic" in practice.

Surely you do agree that statism in practice is somewhat chaotic. Inb4 "but I only support good statism"

HUr hur hur I only support good anarchism
Irrelevant.

We'll see.
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4/26/2011 8:35:38 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 8:25:19 AM, Sieben wrote:
At 4/26/2011 8:14:40 AM, Mirza wrote:

Surely you do agree that anarchism in practice is somewhat chaotic.

Unsubstantiated.
I did not claim anarchism is somewhat chaotic (not that I necessarily disagree).

Confused by the bolded.
Surely you - that's a reference to Puck.

Who? Which "he"? There are multiple people in the post you're responding to. The most logical choice is Freedo, who is an anarchist. Regardless, his beliefs about anarchism are independent of whether or not anarchism is "chaotic" in practice.
Puck.

We'll see.
Yes hopefully you will.
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4/26/2011 9:03:05 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 8:35:38 AM, Mirza wrote:

Surely you - that's a reference to Puck.

This is not relevant to what you said.

"Surely you do agree that anarchism in practice is somewhat chaotic."

"I did not claim anarchism is somewhat chaotic"

Is confusing.

Who? Which "he"? There are multiple people in the post you're responding to. The most logical choice is Freedo, who is an anarchist. Regardless, his beliefs about anarchism are independent of whether or not anarchism is "chaotic" in practice.
Puck.

Okay. But bolded.

We'll see.
Yes hopefully you will.
Well since you've dedicated the WHOLE post to telling me who you were talking to, you can go ahead and start addressing the actual arguments.
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4/26/2011 9:14:07 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 9:03:05 AM, Sieben wrote:
At 4/26/2011 8:35:38 AM, Mirza wrote:

Surely you - that's a reference to Puck.

This is not relevant to what you said.

"Surely you do agree that anarchism in practice is somewhat chaotic."

"I did not claim anarchism is somewhat chaotic"

Is confusing.
Then accept the clarification of the statement. I did not claim anarchism is chaotic - in this thread - that sure. I claimed that Puck surely does (not necessarily "chaotic" but not functioning).

Okay. But bolded.
Yes, and Puck.

We'll see.
Yes hopefully you will.
Well since you've dedicated the WHOLE post to telling me who you were talking to, you can go ahead and start addressing the actual arguments.
The argument is that Puck opposes anarchism, so he does not necessarily disagree with the synonyms. He wanted to debate Freedo on any anarchist ideology a year ago, hence now I am addressing Puck and saying that surely, he believes anarchism is chaotic (or not functioning).

That's it. If you don't understand then PM me. I am not wasting more time on wasteful back-and-forth arguments.
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4/26/2011 9:47:28 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9:32 am, Wikipedia said:

Discordianism is centered on the idea that chaos is all that there is, and that disorder and order are both illusions that are imposed on chaos. These are referred to, respectively, as the "Eristic" and "Aneristic" illusions. Discordianism recognizes the positive aspects of chaos, discord, and dissent as valid and desirable qualities, in contrast with most religions, which idealize harmony and order.

I agree with the fact that economics is chaotic and completely out of the capitalists' control (they have plenty of control over their own pocketbooks of course, but no control over the state of our economy), but how do you use this as a basis for your theory?
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4/26/2011 10:19:43 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 9:14:07 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 4/26/2011 9:03:05 AM, Sieben wrote:
At 4/26/2011 8:35:38 AM, Mirza wrote:

Surely you - that's a reference to Puck.

This is not relevant to what you said.

"Surely you do agree that anarchism in practice is somewhat chaotic."

"I did not claim anarchism is somewhat chaotic"

Is confusing.
Then accept the clarification of the statement. I did not claim anarchism is chaotic - in this thread - that sure. I claimed that Puck surely does (not necessarily "chaotic" but not functioning).

Okay. But bolded.
Yes, and Puck.

We'll see.
Yes hopefully you will.
Well since you've dedicated the WHOLE post to telling me who you were talking to, you can go ahead and start addressing the actual arguments.
The argument is that Puck opposes anarchism, so he does not necessarily disagree with the synonyms. He wanted to debate Freedo on any anarchist ideology a year ago, hence now I am addressing Puck and saying that surely, he believes anarchism is chaotic (or not functioning).

That's it. If you don't understand then PM me. I am not wasting more time on wasteful back-and-forth arguments.

I do not believe that your post is just an arbitrage attempt to get puck to engage freedo over anarchism. Either your english is so poor that you don't realize when you make implications, or you are just backing out of my challenges because you have no good answers.

But yeah. Don't waste any more time on me. Just waste your time debating illiterates on religion and forfeiting pubs. Boost your win ratio. Get the dopamine shot. Pretend it isn't a drug.
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4/26/2011 5:08:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 10:19:43 AM, Sieben wrote:
At 4/26/2011 9:14:07 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 4/26/2011 9:03:05 AM, Sieben wrote:
At 4/26/2011 8:35:38 AM, Mirza wrote:

Surely you - that's a reference to Puck.

This is not relevant to what you said.

"Surely you do agree that anarchism in practice is somewhat chaotic."

"I did not claim anarchism is somewhat chaotic"

Is confusing.
Then accept the clarification of the statement. I did not claim anarchism is chaotic - in this thread - that sure. I claimed that Puck surely does (not necessarily "chaotic" but not functioning).

Okay. But bolded.
Yes, and Puck.

We'll see.
Yes hopefully you will.
Well since you've dedicated the WHOLE post to telling me who you were talking to, you can go ahead and start addressing the actual arguments.
The argument is that Puck opposes anarchism, so he does not necessarily disagree with the synonyms. He wanted to debate Freedo on any anarchist ideology a year ago, hence now I am addressing Puck and saying that surely, he believes anarchism is chaotic (or not functioning).

That's it. If you don't understand then PM me. I am not wasting more time on wasteful back-and-forth arguments.

I do not believe that your post is just an arbitrage attempt to get puck to engage freedo over anarchism. Either your english is so poor that you don't realize when you make implications, or you are just backing out of my challenges because you have no good answers.
Person A believes in X.

I have to defend X.

Collect yourself.

But yeah. Don't waste any more time on me. Just waste your time debating illiterates on religion and forfeiting pubs. Boost your win ratio. Get the dopamine shot. Pretend it isn't a drug.
I guess I should not have debated you then, sorry.
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4/26/2011 5:13:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Mirza, we get that you were asking Puck if he thought Anarchism is chaotic, but the way you worded it, you clearly implied that you agree that Anarchism is chaotic.

It's seems like you're just slipping away from this fact to avoid defending your implication.
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-- Frederic Bastiat
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4/26/2011 5:19:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 5:13:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Mirza, we get that you were asking Puck if he thought Anarchism is chaotic, but the way you worded it, you clearly implied that you agree that Anarchism is chaotic.

It's seems like you're just slipping away from this fact to avoid defending your implication.
Are you serious? I can tell you all that I find all of your ideologies to be rubbish, whether communism or anarchism. I have called several democracies as catastrophes. What do you think I have written in my 8,000 posts? Jokes? I don't think so. I've defended the only ideology I believe is fully justified. And the reason why I addressed Puck was because Freedo called the synonyms "ad homs" against anarchism (the synonyms Puck provided), and he did not say that they are right, which is why I pointed out that he does not necessarily disagree with the synonyms at all, to an extent, due to the fact that a year ago he argued with Freedo over anarchism and wanted a clear cut debate over any anarchist ideology. If I want to discuss anarchism I will do it, and even create a thread as I did before.

And it's not like I am arguing with a very civil person right now like RoyL., who has nicely helped me change my view on a particular controversial topic without being a whining, childish attention seeker on a debate site filled with adults. In that case it could seem like a retreat form my side, but with most people I argue here? That's a joke.
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4/26/2011 5:20:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 5:17:52 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 4/25/2011 5:22:18 AM, FREEDO wrote:
What the fvck is a katzenklavier???

That would be a cats piano. :|

The only one to address my question in the whole thread so far. Thank you.
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4/26/2011 5:26:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 5:19:30 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 4/26/2011 5:13:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Mirza, we get that you were asking Puck if he thought Anarchism is chaotic, but the way you worded it, you clearly implied that you agree that Anarchism is chaotic.

It's seems like you're just slipping away from this fact to avoid defending your implication.
Are you serious? I can tell you all that I find all of your ideologies to be rubbish, whether communism or anarchism. I have called several democracies as catastrophes. What do you think I have written in my 8,000 posts? Jokes? I don't think so. I've defended the only ideology I believe is fully justified. And the reason why I addressed Puck was because Freedo called the synonyms "ad homs" against anarchism (the synonyms Puck provided), and he did not say that they are right, which is why I pointed out that he does not necessarily disagree with the synonyms at all, to an extent, due to the fact that a year ago he argued with Freedo over anarchism and wanted a clear cut debate over any anarchist ideology. If I want to discuss anarchism I will do it, and even create a thread as I did before.

And it's not like I am arguing with a very civil person right now like RoyL., who has nicely helped me change my view on a particular controversial topic without being a whining, childish attention seeker on a debate site filled with adults. In that case it could seem like a retreat form my side, but with most people I argue here? That's a joke.

What? Hardly any of that has anything to do with what I said.
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4/26/2011 5:28:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 5:26:19 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/26/2011 5:19:30 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 4/26/2011 5:13:23 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Mirza, we get that you were asking Puck if he thought Anarchism is chaotic, but the way you worded it, you clearly implied that you agree that Anarchism is chaotic.

It's seems like you're just slipping away from this fact to avoid defending your implication.
Are you serious? I can tell you all that I find all of your ideologies to be rubbish, whether communism or anarchism. I have called several democracies as catastrophes. What do you think I have written in my 8,000 posts? Jokes? I don't think so. I've defended the only ideology I believe is fully justified. And the reason why I addressed Puck was because Freedo called the synonyms "ad homs" against anarchism (the synonyms Puck provided), and he did not say that they are right, which is why I pointed out that he does not necessarily disagree with the synonyms at all, to an extent, due to the fact that a year ago he argued with Freedo over anarchism and wanted a clear cut debate over any anarchist ideology. If I want to discuss anarchism I will do it, and even create a thread as I did before.

And it's not like I am arguing with a very civil person right now like RoyL., who has nicely helped me change my view on a particular controversial topic without being a whining, childish attention seeker on a debate site filled with adults. In that case it could seem like a retreat form my side, but with most people I argue here? That's a joke.

What? Hardly any of that has anything to do with what I said.
Yes it has. You're telling me I am slipping away. From what? From whom? I am not slipping away from anything, I am rather clarifying something.