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5/2/2011 6:34:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Thanks to InfoWars great research team, we have a plethora of evidence of an early Osama death.

See here: http://www.infowars.com...

=============================================

Evidence outlined below:

"Former CIA officer and hugely respected intelligence & foreign policy expert Robert Baer, who in 2008 when asked about Bin Laden by a radio host responded, "Of course he is dead."
-- http://www.prisonplanet.com...
http://www.radiodujour.com...

"On December 26, 2001, Fox News, citing a Pakistan Observer story, reported that the Afghan Taliban had pronounced Bin Laden dead and buried him in an unmarked grave."
-- http://www.foxnews.com...

"On January 18, 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced: "I think now, frankly, he is dead.""
-- http://edition.cnn.com...

"On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that "I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore.""
-- http://www.cbsnews.com...

"In October 2002, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told CNN that "I would come to believe that [Bin Laden] probably is dead."
-- http://edition.cnn.com...

"In 2003, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told Fox News Channel analyst Morton Kondracke she suspected Bush knew the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and was waiting for the most politically expedient moment to announce his capture."
-- http://archive.newsmax.com...

"In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year."
-- http://usliberals.about.com...

"In February 2007, Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University's Religious Studies program, stated that the purported video and audio tapes that were being released of Bin Laden were fake and that he was probably dead."
-- http://infowars.net...

"On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto told Al-Jazeera's David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden."
-- www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

"In March 2009, former US foreign intelligence officer and professor of international relations at Boston University Angelo Codevilla stated: "All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.""
-- http://spectator.org...

"In May 2009, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari confirmed that his "counterparts in the American intelligence agencies" hadn't heard anything from Bin Laden in seven years and confirmed "I don't think he's alive.""
-- http://www.indianexpress.com...

"In April 2002, over nine years ago, Council on Foreign Relations member Steve R. Pieczenik, who served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker, told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been "dead for months".
Pieczenik would be in a position to know such information, having worked directly with Bin Laden when the US was funding and arming the terror leader in an attempt to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan in the late 70′s and early 80′s (a documented historical fact that talking heads in the corporate media are actually denying today in light of developments).
"I found out through my sources that he had had kidney disease. And as a physician, I knew that he had to have two dialysis machines and he was dying," Pieczenik told Jones during the April 24, 2002 interview."
-- http://www.prisonplanet.com...

"Osama Bin Laden Pronounced Dead… For the Ninth Time"
-- http://www.infowars.com...
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5/2/2011 6:42:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I agree for the most part.

Osama may be dead, but he probably wasn't killed yesterday.

Very convenient that Osama was thrown in the ocean right after the DNA test confirmed it was him.

The sheeple seem to love that the boogeyman is dead though.
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5/2/2011 6:49:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/2/2011 6:48:32 PM, badger wrote:
but the dna test confirmed it was him? or what?

Yeah, it is his body, but his body has been frozen and dead for 8 years.
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5/2/2011 6:53:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/2/2011 6:48:32 PM, badger wrote:
but the dna test confirmed it was him? or what?

Of course the trusty United States government would never lie about a DNA test.
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5/2/2011 7:03:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/2/2011 6:42:06 PM, Nags wrote:
I agree for the most part.

Osama may be dead, but he probably wasn't killed yesterday.

Very convenient that Osama was thrown in the ocean right after the DNA test confirmed it was him.

The sheeple seem to love that the boogeyman is dead though.:

So the members of DevGru, who come from ultra-right wing backgrounds, are going to be loyal to Obama and lie on his behalf?

Whenever you think of a conspiracy, immediately after think of the massive collusion factor necessary to pull it off.

As for Osama it's been maybe 24 hours since the assassination took place. Give it a reasonable amount of time before we start alleging that it was really just a ploy to get everyone's mind off of the birth certificate debacle.

They said the same thing about the camera's at the Pentagon. They said, "If the gov't has nothing to hide, why not just show the footage of the plane at the Pentagon?"

A good question, but little did they know at the time that the footage was subpoenaed in the Zacharias Moussaoui case and was not legally allowed to be disseminated until after the trial.

Moral of the story: Don't jump to conclusions just yet.
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5/2/2011 7:07:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/2/2011 6:34:41 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Thanks to InfoWars great research team, we have a plethora of evidence of an early Osama death.

See here: http://www.infowars.com...

=============================================

Evidence outlined below:

"Former CIA officer and hugely respected intelligence & foreign policy expert Robert Baer, who in 2008 when asked about Bin Laden by a radio host responded, "Of course he is dead."
-- http://www.prisonplanet.com...
http://www.radiodujour.com...

"On December 26, 2001, Fox News, citing a Pakistan Observer story, reported that the Afghan Taliban had pronounced Bin Laden dead and buried him in an unmarked grave."
-- http://www.foxnews.com...


FTFA: Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.


"On January 18, 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced: "I think now, frankly, he is dead.""
-- http://edition.cnn.com...

FTFA: "I think now, frankly, he is dead for the reason he is a ... kidney patient," Gen. Pervez Musharraf said on Friday in an interview with CNN.

Musharraf said Pakistan knew bin Laden took two dialysis machines into Afghanistan. "One was specifically for his own personal use," he said.


"On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that "I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore.""

-- http://www.cbsnews.com...
:
FTFA: "Is (bin Laden) alive or is he dead?" Watson said. "I am not really sure of the answer ... I personally think he is probably not with us anymore but I have no evidence to support that."


"In October 2002, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told CNN that "I would come to believe that [Bin Laden] probably is dead."
-- http://edition.cnn.com...

FTFA: "But still, you never know. He might be alive. Five months ago, six months ago, I was thinking that he was alive."

"In 2003, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told Fox News Channel analyst Morton Kondracke she suspected Bush knew the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and was waiting for the most politically expedient moment to announce his capture."
-- http://archive.newsmax.com...

FTFA: Albright replied that she thought a bin Laden October Surprise orchestrated by Bush was "a possibility."
Also, a site plastered with advertisements for gold, not the best of sources


"In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year."
-- http://usliberals.about.com...

FTFA: I heard today that he may have died in the earthquake that they had in Pakistan, seriously.' Reid says that if that is the case, 'that's good for the world.'

"In February 2007, Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University's Religious Studies program, stated that the purported video and audio tapes that were being released of Bin Laden were fake and that he was probably dead."
-- http://infowars.net...


When asked about Bin Laden during an exclusive News 4 interview, Reid said, 'I'm not sure he is alive anymore. I think perhaps the earthquake took him down.' "

"On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto told Al-Jazeera's David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden."
-- www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

"In March 2009, former US foreign intelligence officer and professor of international relations at Boston University Angelo Codevilla stated: "All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.""
-- http://spectator.org...

And all of the evidence in TFA is about how the video recordings sound different.

"In May 2009, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari confirmed that his "counterparts in the American intelligence agencies" hadn't heard anything from Bin Laden in seven years and confirmed "I don't think he's alive.""
-- http://www.indianexpress.com...

FTFA: On Osama, Zardari, however, did not put forward any evidence or details in support of his claim that he was no longer alive.

"In April 2002, over nine years ago, Council on Foreign Relations member Steve R. Pieczenik, who served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker, told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been "dead for months".
Pieczenik would be in a position to know such information, having worked directly with Bin Laden when the US was funding and arming the terror leader in an attempt to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan in the late 70′s and early 80′s (a documented historical fact that talking heads in the corporate media are actually denying today in light of developments).
"I found out through my sources that he had had kidney disease. And as a physician, I knew that he had to have two dialysis machines and he was dying," Pieczenik told Jones during the April 24, 2002 interview."
-- http://www.prisonplanet.com...

"Osama Bin Laden Pronounced Dead… For the Ninth Time"
-- http://www.infowars.com...

1. Almost all of these are conjecture based and are focused around the idea that Osama must be dead because "we haven't heard from him in a long time." The idea is that if he's quiet, he's probably dead. There's no solid evidence other than a group of people talking.
2. None of these provide evidence, they're just personal statements saying "I think this", rather than "we have conclusive reason to think this", or actually providing evidence.
3. A lot of these sources fail to agree on any of the information for his death or when they happened.
4. Some of the people in the articles have good reason to just make stuff up, so that they could get some good press coverage (Dr. Pieczenik is a good example)
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5/2/2011 7:07:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/2/2011 6:49:59 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 5/2/2011 6:48:32 PM, badger wrote:
but the dna test confirmed it was him? or what?

Yeah, it is his body, but his body has been frozen and dead for 8 years.:

Geo, what evidence is there that it was "frozen and dead for 8 years?"
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5/2/2011 7:08:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/2/2011 7:03:43 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
So the members of DevGru, who come from ultra-right wing backgrounds, are going to be loyal to Obama and lie on his behalf?
The members of DevGru (a) did not take part in any DNA test so there's no way they could confirm that they killed Osama and (b) of course they would love to go down in history as the ones that killed Osama. ....And, there's no way you can say that they come from ultra-right wing backgrounds, that's just speculation.
Whenever you think of a conspiracy, immediately after think of the massive collusion factor necessary to pull it off.
Ok.
As for Osama it's been maybe 24 hours since the assassination took place. Give it a reasonable amount of time before we start alleging that it was really just a ploy to get everyone's mind off of the birth certificate debacle.
When did I say it was a ploy involving the birth certificate? And I'm saying the assassination never took place, so again, what are you talking about?
They said the same thing about the camera's at the Pentagon. They said, "If the gov't has nothing to hide, why not just show the footage of the plane at the Pentagon?"
Nothing to refute here.
A good question, but little did they know at the time that the footage was subpoenaed in the Zacharias Moussaoui case and was not legally allowed to be disseminated until after the trial.
How convenient.
Moral of the story: Don't jump to conclusions just yet.
I didn't jump to a conclusion -- I just agreed with the most likely scenario (that this whole Osama killing is a lie).
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5/2/2011 7:08:49 PM
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1. Almost all of these are conjecture based and are focused around the idea that Osama must be dead because "we haven't heard from him in a long time." The idea is that if he's quiet, he's probably dead. There's no solid evidence other than a group of people talking.:

Exactly, it's conjecture.
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5/2/2011 7:11:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/2/2011 7:07:09 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 5/2/2011 6:49:59 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 5/2/2011 6:48:32 PM, badger wrote:
but the dna test confirmed it was him? or what?

Yeah, it is his body, but his body has been frozen and dead for 8 years.:

Geo, what evidence is there that it was "frozen and dead for 8 years?"

"A multitude of different inside sources both publicly and privately, including one individual who personally worked with Bin Laden at one time, told us directly that Osama's dead corpse has been on ice for nearly a decade and that his "death" would only be announced at the most politically expedient time.

That time has now come with a years-old fake picture being presented as the only evidence of his alleged killing yesterday, while Bin Laden's body has been hastily dumped into the sea to prevent anyone from finding out when he actually died.

In April 2002, over nine years ago, Council on Foreign Relations member Steve R. Pieczenik, who served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker, told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been "dead for months"."

-- http://www.infowars.com...
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5/2/2011 7:13:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Geo, in a courtroom that would pretty much all be thrown out. Let's count it up line by line:

Speculation

Hearsay

Speculation

Speculation

Speculation

Speculation (About another person's mind!)

Hearsay about speculation

Giving an opinion outside one's expertise and specualtion.

Opinion outside one's expertise, unless she's claiming to have witnessed the killing, also probably hearsay somewhere in the context.

Inverted hearsay, speculation

Speculation and poor establishment of expertise (having worked with the dude when he was an ally does not establish you'd know the wherabouts after he becomes an enemy. Frankly, it doesn't matter if you're in a "position to know," that's bullcrap roughly along the lines of saying "He's a wizard", not actual evidence).
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5/2/2011 7:15:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/2/2011 7:10:49 PM, badger wrote:
so no footage of any plane hitting the pentagon?

- no engines were found (impossible to disintegrate)
- no video of the supposed plane
- maneuvers that close to the ground are near impossible to make
- small hole in building, not large enough for a plane
- no wing impacts on building
- and more and more and more
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5/2/2011 7:16:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/2/2011 7:13:57 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Geo, in a courtroom that would pretty much all be thrown out.

Just like Obama's evidence of the death of Osama would be thrown out.
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5/2/2011 7:21:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/2/2011 7:07:09 PM, meowmixxx wrote:
1. Almost all of these are conjecture based and are focused around the idea that Osama must be dead because "we haven't heard from him in a long time." The idea is that if he's quiet, he's probably dead. There's no solid evidence other than a group of people talking.
2. None of these provide evidence, they're just personal statements saying "I think this", rather than "we have conclusive reason to think this", or actually providing evidence.

Some were conjecture, but not all.

"Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.

Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.

About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some "Taliban friends," attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the "great leader."

The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden's face before burial said "he looked pale ... but calm, relaxed and confident.""
-- http://www.foxnews.com...

3. A lot of these sources fail to agree on any of the information for his death or when they happened.

And you accept yesterday's announcement of Osama's death over all the others? Why? Osama's been announced dead 9 times, why do you believe it this time?

http://www.infowars.com...

4. Some of the people in the articles have good reason to just make stuff up, so that they could get some good press coverage (Dr. Pieczenik is a good example)

And Obama DOESN'T have any reason to make stuff up? (Birth certificate) *cough* (Election) *cough*

And why would Dr. Pieczenik have any good reason to make stuff up?
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5/2/2011 7:24:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/2/2011 7:15:51 PM, Nags wrote:
At 5/2/2011 7:10:49 PM, badger wrote:
so no footage of any plane hitting the pentagon?

- no engines were found (impossible to disintegrate)
- no video of the supposed plane
- maneuvers that close to the ground are near impossible to make
- small hole in building, not large enough for a plane
- no wing impacts on building
- and more and more and more

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...
http://video.google.com...#
http://www.america.gov... (oh no, the guberment)
http://www.loosechangeguide.com...
Just in general, this may be useful.
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5/2/2011 7:28:21 PM
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At 5/2/2011 7:26:28 PM, Nags wrote:
At 5/2/2011 7:24:36 PM, meowmixxx wrote:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...
Whole entire web site.
http://video.google.com...#
Three hour video.
http://www.america.gov... (oh no, the guberment)
Long article from the government defending the government.
http://www.loosechangeguide.com...
Long article.

Nice rebuttal pal.

Wow. I didn't know the inability to read on YOUR part proves him wrong.

Required patience obviously just shows that his information is FALSE.
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5/2/2011 7:28:59 PM
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At 5/2/2011 7:28:21 PM, M.Torres wrote:
At 5/2/2011 7:26:28 PM, Nags wrote:
At 5/2/2011 7:24:36 PM, meowmixxx wrote:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...
Whole entire web site.
http://video.google.com...#
Three hour video.
http://www.america.gov... (oh no, the guberment)
Long article from the government defending the government.
http://www.loosechangeguide.com...
Long article.

Nice rebuttal pal.

Wow. I didn't know the inability to read on YOUR part proves him wrong.

Required patience obviously just shows that his information is FALSE.

Linking to articles, web sites, and videos doesn't refute my statements.
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5/2/2011 7:29:54 PM
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At 5/2/2011 7:28:59 PM, Nags wrote:
Linking to articles, web sites, and videos doesn't refute my statements.

If that was the case, we could simply exchange links as a form of debate. Not much of an intellectual exercise though, is it?
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5/2/2011 7:31:09 PM
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The members of DevGru (a) did not take part in any DNA test so there's no way they could confirm that they killed Osama:

How the f*ck would you know what DevGru did or did not do? "No way to confirm that they killed Osama?" You're right, they had no clue what he looked like, no clue that there was actionable intelligence and trained for over a month on the raid...

(b) of course they would love to go down in history as the ones that killed Osama.:

Yeah, and there was no Somali pirates either on the Maersk Alabama either. It was all a P.R. stunt to boost the the Navy SEALs credibility.

When did I say it was a ploy involving the birth certificate?:

That one's already circling the internet. I apologize for lumping you in with the other conspiracy theories. There's just so many to choose from!

And I'm saying the assassination never took place, so again, what are you talking about?:

But what are you basing that off of?

I didn't jump to a conclusion -- I just agreed with the most likely scenario (that this whole Osama killing is a lie).:

Okay, so that means that average intel people and average sailors are "in on it," and no one is talking. Does that sound realistic? As legitimate as thousands of WTC employees not noticing strange men wiring their building with plastic explosives on every floor?

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5/2/2011 7:31:58 PM
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I'm going to focus on specific parts
At 5/2/2011 7:21:48 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

Some were conjecture, but not all.

"Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.

Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.

About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some "Taliban friends," attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the "great leader."

The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden's face before burial said "he looked pale ... but calm, relaxed and confident.""
-- http://www.foxnews.com...

Sure, this would work, if not that it flies in the face of every other source that reported his death from natural causes, where they claim he died from a kidney problem. Also, just because someone makes a claim that someone is dead, doesn't make it true. It could be a diversion to stop people from hunting him.
3. A lot of these sources fail to agree on any of the information for his death or when they happened.

And you accept yesterday's announcement of Osama's death over all the others? Why? Osama's been announced dead 9 times, why do you believe it this time?

http://www.infowars.com...

If you actually look at the copy-pastes FTFAs, you'd see that very few of those times he was reported dead. Most of those times, people just said "I dunno if he's alive, but I'm guessing he's dead." Conjecture and announcement are two very different things. I also never said that I believed it this time. I'm open to the fact that Obama could be lying and saying he's dead when he's not, or he might have died at some other point.
4. Some of the people in the articles have good reason to just make stuff up, so that they could get some good press coverage (Dr. Pieczenik is a good example)

And Obama DOESN'T have any reason to make stuff up? (Birth certificate) *cough* (Election) *cough*

And why would Dr. Pieczenik have any good reason to make stuff up?

The same reason most people formerly associated with government have reason to, especially given Pieczenik's attempt to get his books bought and to gain credibility for his medical practices
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5/2/2011 7:32:45 PM
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At 5/2/2011 7:11:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 5/2/2011 7:07:09 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 5/2/2011 6:49:59 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 5/2/2011 6:48:32 PM, badger wrote:
but the dna test confirmed it was him? or what?

Yeah, it is his body, but his body has been frozen and dead for 8 years.:

Geo, what evidence is there that it was "frozen and dead for 8 years?"

"A multitude of different inside sources both publicly and privately, including one individual who personally worked with Bin Laden at one time, told us directly that Osama's dead corpse has been on ice for nearly a decade and that his "death" would only be announced at the most politically expedient time.

That time has now come with a years-old fake picture being presented as the only evidence of his alleged killing yesterday, while Bin Laden's body has been hastily dumped into the sea to prevent anyone from finding out when he actually died.

In April 2002, over nine years ago, Council on Foreign Relations member Steve R. Pieczenik, who served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker, told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been "dead for months"."

-- http://www.infowars.com...:

Jesus Christ.... Do you really not know the difference between CONJECTURE and EVIDENCE? Seriously?
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5/2/2011 7:35:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/2/2011 7:15:51 PM, Nags wrote:
At 5/2/2011 7:10:49 PM, badger wrote:
so no footage of any plane hitting the pentagon?

- no engines were found (impossible to disintegrate)
- no video of the supposed plane
- maneuvers that close to the ground are near impossible to make
- small hole in building, not large enough for a plane
- no wing impacts on building
- and more and more and more:

.... Oh, my God.... You're dead to me.
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