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1stLordofTheVenerability
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5/3/2011 10:57:15 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Greetings fellow Canadians,

So, we all have been captivated by the political events unfolding throughout the election campaign, and we've heard that the NDP were gaining seats rapidly, but did any of you expect such a turnabout in the situation?

What're your thoughts on the Conservatives finally gaining a majority?

How about the utter dismantling of the Bloc?

And, which party did you vote for - why? Hurrah for William Pitt the Younger! :P
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5/4/2011 12:32:28 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'm actually disappointed with the election results. Conservatives were fine with a minority government since it kept them from doing anything drastic, but now that they've gained a majority I'd say we're all doomed, haha. O.O Having NDP as the opposition rather than Liberal is certainly interesting though, it's just too bad they won't be able to be more influencial.
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5/4/2011 1:59:07 AM
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I'm not too familiar with Canadian politics. How long has it been since they have had a majority?
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5/4/2011 7:03:01 AM
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"Punish the Poor, Pamper the Posh - VOTE TORY."

That was the Conservatives' election campaign message, wasn't it? If not, that was the subtext.

The Tory victory is good news for rich Canadians who don't care what happens to deprived and disadvantaged members of society as a result of the Conservatives' viscous public spending cuts, just so long as they get their precious tax cuts.
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5/4/2011 11:06:14 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
InsertName, did you vote Green? lol joking! Though obviously not that much, since a sizable quantity of people did do just that. Elizabeth May strikes me as a nice, agreeable person, and her platform sounds encouraging, but I disagree with the policies inherent with the green platform. Particularly the part that states, "Social Justice and Equity" (Pg. 9), green industry, Parliamentary Reform (Pg 8), carbon tax (pg. 10), Toxic tax (pg. 10), reduce military spending etc. and so on. :P Still, she can't do much harm with one seat.

No, this majority government is excellent, right now. It'll finally allow them to implement a solid budget (which Flaherty emphasizes that the NDP and Ignatieff hadn't even read), cut taxes and create a stronger economy... Of course, if the NDP and Liberals had gained more seats and formed a coalition, I don't think I could lose. For me, the election was win-win, unless the NDP somehow won. lol

Freedo, the majority was just gained in the election on Monday. The election was forced by a no confidence vote from the Liberals and New Democratic Party a little over a month ago. The Conservatives had a minority government, but they couldn't achieve anything or implement the budget due to Liberal and NDP resistance (the Conservatives even conceded several points in the budget to the opposition... Likely, those concessions will be abolished, now). The Governor General gave assent, and Parliament was dissolved. Frankly, the people (particularly those in Quebec) were tired of the Liberals and their facade of promises. Also, those in Quebec were tired of the Separatist movement led by the Bloc - the Bloc was annihilated and went from 47 seats to merely 4 in Commons.

The NDP gained votes in Quebec by promising them 2 billion in support payments, chiefly. Their leader, Jack Layton, is a very charismatic man, and it's obvious that the voters voted for him rather than their MPs. Many of the NDP MPs are young (four or five are still in University), have dubious backgrounds or were even absent during the campaign. One NDP candidate in Quebec hadn't even been in her riding during most the campaign, for she'd been in Vegas. :P One CTV spokesperson even jested, "Will she even be able to locate it on a road map?"

LOL Brian! Not quite. :P Certainly the Conservative Government isn't going to spend needlessly on socialistic programs, but they'll be able to strengthen those that we do have, currently. I believe that they intend to cut government spending... hopefully they slash the salaries of the civil workers (Head librarian in Ottawa nets $100,000 annually) and MPs, first.
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5/4/2011 3:16:09 PM
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Hahaha, I did vote Green actually. I'll admit. I made a deal with my friend for us to both vote Green. I was considering NDP although I like the Conservative party's stance on some things.
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5/4/2011 3:20:44 PM
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Hopefully these conservaties cut back on the canadian socialism programs. I'm tired of americans saying:
"Oh Canada is so progressive"
"Canada has this program, and that program, why can't america be more like canada"
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5/4/2011 3:21:56 PM
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At 5/4/2011 3:20:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Hopefully these conservaties cut back on the canadian socialism programs. I'm tired of americans saying:
"Oh Canada is so progressive"
"Canada has this program, and that program, why can't america be more like canada"

They probably will since they have a majority now.
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5/5/2011 9:25:03 AM
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At 5/4/2011 3:20:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Hopefully these conservaties cut back on the canadian socialism programs. I'm tired of americans saying:
"Oh Canada is so progressive"
"Canada has this program, and that program, why can't america be more like canada"

Really? I would venture to say that the numbers are split down the middle - I mean, consider the outrage at Obama's Health Care Plan... it seems that nobody wanted it, which is why the House of Representatives is mostly Republican, now.

I concur, though... Parliament should strengthen the programs they do have (CPP, health care, welfare etc.) and abolish those that aren't necessary and merely drain the budget. Everybody complains about our health care system - something needs to be done about it's bureaucracy. Perhaps boot the CEO of each hospital, and just have a board per region.

ha ha! That's kind of amusing... I was jesting, a bit. Well, I voted for William Pitt the Younger. ; ) jk I voted for the Conservative MP in my riding, Cheryl Gallant. Though she's raised the ire of many.
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5/5/2011 12:53:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/5/2011 9:25:03 AM, 1stLordofTheVenerability wrote:
At 5/4/2011 3:20:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Hopefully these conservaties cut back on the canadian socialism programs. I'm tired of americans saying:
"Oh Canada is so progressive"
"Canada has this program, and that program, why can't america be more like canada"

Really? I would venture to say that the numbers are split down the middle - I mean, consider the outrage at Obama's Health Care Plan... it seems that nobody wanted it, which is why the House of Representatives is mostly Republican, now.

I concur, though... Parliament should strengthen the programs they do have (CPP, health care, welfare etc.) and abolish those that aren't necessary and merely drain the budget. Everybody complains about our health care system - something needs to be done about it's bureaucracy. Perhaps boot the CEO of each hospital, and just have a board per region.

ha ha! That's kind of amusing... I was jesting, a bit. Well, I voted for William Pitt the Younger. ; ) jk I voted for the Conservative MP in my riding, Cheryl Gallant. Though she's raised the ire of many.

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5/6/2011 12:28:21 PM
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At 5/4/2011 7:03:01 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
"Punish the Poor, Pamper the Posh - VOTE TORY."

That was the Conservatives' election campaign message, wasn't it? If not, that was the subtext.

The Tory victory is good news for rich Canadians who don't care what happens to deprived and disadvantaged members of society as a result of the Conservatives' viscous public spending cuts, just so long as they get their precious tax cuts.

Trust me, the Tory's winning in Canada is a good thing. I have family in Canada and I've visisted there many times, and I can tell you first hand that the way the lefties are running the country is terrible. The laws are ridiculously stupid

The spending cuts are probably in the best interest of the economy, being that North America's (in general) national debt is skyrocketting at a huge rate and money is being foolishly spent in worthless social programs. Rule of thumb is that one should not implement social programs during times of depression. Once the economy is all good and well, then you can resort to improving the general welfare of the People (I'm not saying that the general public should be forgotten about, but there is no point of having government ran social programs when blood-testing in Canada takes 3-weeks+ and people literally die in hospitals when ER rooms have 4 hour waiting times. I'm not joking.)
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5/6/2011 6:41:13 PM
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At 5/6/2011 12:28:21 PM, Aaronroy wrote:

Trust me, the Tory's winning in Canada is a good thing. I have family in Canada and I've visisted there many times, and I can tell you first hand that the way the lefties are running the country is terrible. The laws are ridiculously stupid

The spending cuts are probably in the best interest of the economy, being that North America's (in general) national debt is skyrocketting at a huge rate and money is being foolishly spent in worthless social programs. Rule of thumb is that one should not implement social programs during times of depression. Once the economy is all good and well, then you can resort to improving the general welfare of the People (I'm not saying that the general public should be forgotten about, but there is no point of having government ran social programs when blood-testing in Canada takes 3-weeks+ and people literally die in hospitals when ER rooms have 4 hour waiting times. I'm not joking.)

I've never had problems with the Canadian healthcare system and have never heard of anybody who has, even for major surgeries. Maybe it just depends where you are in the country, I don't know.

Also, since there'll be less social programs under Tory rule lets just hope they give me a job, somehow(considering less social programs will f*ck me and many others over who are unable to find a job). Two years of nothing gets you nowhere. The last place I applied last week hasn't called me back yet after I went in to talk to them so I'm just assuming I'm not hired. I know economically there's plenty of reasons for it, but nothing that can be solved overnight. :/ Like the US, Canada is pretty messed up right now too.

Lastly, I'm more worried about the Tories' interventionalist policies. We're getting too much involved in US foreign policy I think. Military spending should be cut down alot and go towards funding other more useful things.
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5/7/2011 2:22:53 AM
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At 5/6/2011 6:41:13 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Like the US, Canada is pretty messed up right now too.

You're right. We have more social programs than we know what to do with. The government treats us like drooling infants as if we're completely incapable of taking care of ourselves. Every time a new social issue is highlighted, our traditionally liberal response has been to create a program for it. The Conservatives are the only ones who see a problem with this... which is one of the reasons that I voted for them. Personally I'd like to see the majority of social programs abolished and replaced with a single program aimed at helping people find jobs. Equal opportunity over equality.

Overall I'd say I'm pretty damn happy with the turnout of the election, albeit a little nervous. It'll be weird seeing things actually getting done. On the other hand the Conservatives have a few social stances that I'm basically hoping they aren't stupid enough to act on. If I could somehow combine Tory economic/regulatory policy and property rights with Liberal civil rights I would... unfortunately I don't have that choice so I'm left with assuming that they would like to get re-elected in 4 years.

Lastly, I'm more worried about the Tories' interventionalist policies. We're getting too much involved in US foreign policy I think.

Lol. Go on... explain.

Military spending should be cut down alot and go towards funding other more useful things.

Lol so you'd rather we unemploy thousands of soldiers and instead give them free money? Brilliant.

Say what you want about the military-industrial complex, but it's done orders of magnitude more for our standard of living through technological advancement than any of your more 'socially-minded' philosophies.
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5/7/2011 2:25:17 PM
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At 5/7/2011 2:22:53 AM, MikeLoviN wrote:

You're right. We have more social programs than we know what to do with. The government treats us like drooling infants as if we're completely incapable of taking care of ourselves. Every time a new social issue is highlighted, our traditionally liberal response has been to create a program for it. The Conservatives are the only ones who see a problem with this... which is one of the reasons that I voted for them. Personally I'd like to see the majority of social programs abolished and replaced with a single program aimed at helping people find jobs. Equal opportunity over equality.

Programs to help people get jobs don't work for everybody though. I have been involved in several of those over the past two years and I'm still unemployed unless they're just underfunded or something, I don't know. Regardless, in my current situation, if the Tories cut disability that screws me over since it's not really enough to pay rent + feed myself(rent alone here is like $700-$800 a month). I need a job, fast! Even the place I talked to last week hasn't called me back yet.

Overall I'd say I'm pretty damn happy with the turnout of the election, albeit a little nervous. It'll be weird seeing things actually getting done. On the other hand the Conservatives have a few social stances that I'm basically hoping they aren't stupid enough to act on. If I could somehow combine Tory economic/regulatory policy and property rights with Liberal civil rights I would... unfortunately I don't have that choice so I'm left with assuming that they would like to get re-elected in 4 years.

I actually agree on many of the Tory stances on social issues which is a reason I considered voting for them. I just settled for Green though.

Lol. Go on... explain.

Well for one we followed them into Afghanistan like a lost puppy. Historically, we have followed them alot too like during the Cold War and such. We really should just go back to peacekeeping, the one military thing we actually seem to be good at.

Lol so you'd rather we unemploy thousands of soldiers and instead give them free money? Brilliant.

No, so we don't become an aggressive war machine like the US. Yes, I despise US foreign policy and don't want Canada following in their footsteps.

Say what you want about the military-industrial complex, but it's done orders of magnitude more for our standard of living through technological advancement than any of your more 'socially-minded' philosophies.

Socially-minded? Sounds like you're calling me a socialist there. -__-
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5/7/2011 2:34:42 PM
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At 5/4/2011 3:20:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Hopefully these conservaties cut back on the canadian socialism programs. I'm tired of americans saying:
"Oh Canada is so progressive"
"Canada has this program, and that program, why can't america be more like canada"

You're just jealous!

I'm pissed about the Conservative majority, but even more pissed about NDP becoming the official opposition. WTF?
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5/7/2011 2:43:51 PM
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At 5/4/2011 3:16:09 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Hahaha, I did vote Green actually. I'll admit. I made a deal with my friend for us to both vote Green. I was considering NDP although I like the Conservative party's stance on some things.

Why? Chick couldn't even get a debate lol
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5/7/2011 2:51:53 PM
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At 5/7/2011 2:43:51 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 5/4/2011 3:16:09 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Hahaha, I did vote Green actually. I'll admit. I made a deal with my friend for us to both vote Green. I was considering NDP although I like the Conservative party's stance on some things.

Why? Chick couldn't even get a debate lol

Because I was pretty much an undecided voter since my views are so scattered I thought Green would be the most reasonable since I wouldn't have to fear them winning(although Elizabeth May was elected which is cool).
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5/7/2011 2:54:56 PM
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At 5/7/2011 2:51:53 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/7/2011 2:43:51 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 5/4/2011 3:16:09 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Hahaha, I did vote Green actually. I'll admit. I made a deal with my friend for us to both vote Green. I was considering NDP although I like the Conservative party's stance on some things.

Why? Chick couldn't even get a debate lol

Because I was pretty much an undecided voter since my views are so scattered I thought Green would be the most reasonable since I wouldn't have to fear them winning(although Elizabeth May was elected which is cool).

I have never heard of anything like that in my life LMFAO Bless your heart :p
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5/7/2011 3:23:24 PM
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At 5/7/2011 2:54:56 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 5/7/2011 2:51:53 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/7/2011 2:43:51 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 5/4/2011 3:16:09 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Hahaha, I did vote Green actually. I'll admit. I made a deal with my friend for us to both vote Green. I was considering NDP although I like the Conservative party's stance on some things.

Why? Chick couldn't even get a debate lol

Because I was pretty much an undecided voter since my views are so scattered I thought Green would be the most reasonable since I wouldn't have to fear them winning(although Elizabeth May was elected which is cool).

I have never heard of anything like that in my life LMFAO Bless your heart :p

lol, I don't hate them that much. I'm beginning to like them more, but idk.
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5/7/2011 7:17:39 PM
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At 5/7/2011 2:34:42 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 5/4/2011 3:20:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Hopefully these conservaties cut back on the canadian socialism programs. I'm tired of americans saying:
"Oh Canada is so progressive"
"Canada has this program, and that program, why can't america be more like canada"

You're just jealous!

I'm pissed about the Conservative majority, but even more pissed about NDP becoming the official opposition. WTF?

Thanks but I prefer a country where being jobless is rewarded, and it take forever to get an appointment with a doctor.

However, Canada actually has more economic freedoms then America according to the heritage index. Plus you have a more efficient and better government spending habits.
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5/8/2011 7:48:17 AM
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At 5/7/2011 7:17:39 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 5/7/2011 2:34:42 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 5/4/2011 3:20:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Hopefully these conservaties cut back on the canadian socialism programs. I'm tired of americans saying:
"Oh Canada is so progressive"
"Canada has this program, and that program, why can't america be more like canada"

You're just jealous!

I'm pissed about the Conservative majority, but even more pissed about NDP becoming the official opposition. WTF?

Thanks but I prefer a country where being jobless is rewarded, and it take forever to get an appointment with a doctor.


Lol I'd rather have to wait a couple hours in the emergency room and receive treatment for free than not be able to afford treatment at all. And secondly, we have walk-in doctors as well, in case you don't have time to wait for an appointment with your family physician. I can literally "walk in" and see a doctor about my runny nose if I cared to.

Literally, the only people I've heard complain about our system are Americans.

In terms of welfare, I hate it also, but it is the fault of people abusing the system.

However, Canada actually has more economic freedoms then America according to the heritage index. Plus you have a more efficient and better government spending habits.
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5/8/2011 2:06:24 PM
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At 5/8/2011 7:48:17 AM, nonentity wrote:

Lol I'd rather have to wait a couple hours in the emergency room and receive treatment for free than not be able to afford treatment at all. And secondly, we have walk-in doctors as well, in case you don't have time to wait for an appointment with your family physician. I can literally "walk in" and see a doctor about my runny nose if I cared to.

I'm actually very fortunate for the system we have since I was a sick kid and my family isn't exactly wealthy. I spent alot of time in hospitals and if it had been the US even to this day my family probably would have still been in debt from hospital bills(ok, maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration,but you get the idea). To add fuel to the fire, my mom is sick now and also spends alot of time getting medication and such.

Literally, the only people I've heard complain about our system are Americans.

lol, that is true. It's never anybody else. Besides, Britain has pretty much the same healthcare system as us and it would be pretty much political suicide for anybody there to go and privatize it, or so I've heard.
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5/8/2011 3:04:41 PM
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At 5/6/2011 6:41:13 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/6/2011 12:28:21 PM, Aaronroy wrote:

Trust me, the Tory's winning in Canada is a good thing. I have family in Canada and I've visisted there many times, and I can tell you first hand that the way the lefties are running the country is terrible. The laws are ridiculously stupid

The spending cuts are probably in the best interest of the economy, being that North America's (in general) national debt is skyrocketting at a huge rate and money is being foolishly spent in worthless social programs. Rule of thumb is that one should not implement social programs during times of depression. Once the economy is all good and well, then you can resort to improving the general welfare of the People (I'm not saying that the general public should be forgotten about, but there is no point of having government ran social programs when blood-testing in Canada takes 3-weeks+ and people literally die in hospitals when ER rooms have 4 hour waiting times. I'm not joking.)

I've never had problems with the Canadian healthcare system and have never heard of anybody who has, even for major surgeries. Maybe it just depends where you are in the country, I don't know.

Also, since there'll be less social programs under Tory rule lets just hope they give me a job, somehow(considering less social programs will f*ck me and many others over who are unable to find a job). Two years of nothing gets you nowhere. The last place I applied last week hasn't called me back yet after I went in to talk to them so I'm just assuming I'm not hired. I know economically there's plenty of reasons for it, but nothing that can be solved overnight. :/ Like the US, Canada is pretty messed up right now too.

Lastly, I'm more worried about the Tories' interventionalist policies. We're getting too much involved in US foreign policy I think. Military spending should be cut down alot and go towards funding other more useful things.

Man, I'm out for a few days and the best topic of the site launches off without me!

Aaron's right, Instertname. I also have heard of people dying in the hallways while waiting for critical surgeries; more to the point, there are people with non life threatening injuries who don't get addressed (such as a broken bone) for weeks - by the time the doctor sees that person, the bone has set poorly and begun to heal. Unbelievable. The waits are incredibly long in ER. Last year, I had poison ivy around my eye, and it was oozing... I went in that evening and was the only person in the room. I had to wait three flipping hours before the doctor saw me, and the poison ivy was a nasty mess. I know an eighty-seven year old woman who fell and dislocated her shoulder - she had to wait four hours for ER to see her, though she was bleeding profusely and darkly bruised. Yet, the health care system will fund a person to go to the States and have a liposuction or some such. It's truly pathetic, and I hope the Tories can put it to rights. It'd be wise if they would slash the position of CEO for each hospital. Why does each hospital need a CEO with a $100,000 salary? Why can't a series of hospitals in a country answer to one board and CEO?

You want to cut military spending and revert our forces to flipping peace keepers?! What did the peacekeepers accomplish? They were killed and jeered while being hampered by the government, policy and the law. You don't send in soldiers and tie their hands. Send in civilians who think they can mediate the peace... then, if negotiations break down, they can call upon the soldiers that they wished to be disbanded to rescue them.... if it isn't too late.

I agree that military spending should be cut in certain avenues... Soldiers shouldn't be paid significant salaries to lounge about at bases in Canada. They shouldn't be permitted to cruise the countryside and travel the US on taxpayers' dollars. Bases shouldn't have commodities like free video theatres. However, under no circumstances should the Army cut back expenditures on equipment or reduce the size of the army. As a fact, Canada has one of the weakest, most insignificant armies in the world... We could be crushed under the "great might" of a country less than a tenth of our own size. A piddling nation such as Romania has an active army of 46,000 plus reserves. Canada has an army of 35,000 including reserves. Talk about humble... we need great nations like the UK and US just to support us, or any International "Bully" could severely bloody our nose.

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