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socialpinko
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5/4/2011 7:32:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Does anyone here on the site advocate Marxism as a political philosophy? I'm looking for someone to challenge to a debate with the resolution "Resolved: Anarchist Communism is a more efficient and better route to Pure Communism than Marxism". I'm looking for someone who will actually take the debate seriously though.
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5/4/2011 7:38:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Actually, as Marxism has died out mostly as a political philosophy I don't care if the person is a Marxist, just that they argue that Marxism is a better route to pure communism than Anarchist communism.
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5/4/2011 7:44:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I agree with you on that resolution, but I probably could argue the other side of the resolution. However, I'm in quite a few debates and that one would take a bit of research (surprisingly, Marxist political philosophy isn't my forte).

We never did the ancom verse ancap debate, either. Once I finish up what I'm doing I can start working on that if you're still interested.
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5/4/2011 7:45:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
That would be great. Seeing as I actually advocate AnCommunism now instead of just state socialism, the debate should be fun.
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5/4/2011 9:07:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/4/2011 7:45:48 PM, socialpinko wrote:
That would be great. Seeing as I actually advocate AnCommunism now instead of just state socialism, the debate should be fun.

Ancommunism: that would be advocating no property rights and an anarchy society, correct?
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5/4/2011 9:11:08 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/4/2011 9:07:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 5/4/2011 7:45:48 PM, socialpinko wrote:
That would be great. Seeing as I actually advocate AnCommunism now instead of just state socialism, the debate should be fun.

Ancommunism: that would be advocating no property rights and an anarchy society, correct?

Basically. It's like radical joint ownership left libertarianism.
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5/4/2011 9:35:38 PM
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At 5/4/2011 7:32:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
"Resolved: Anarchist Communism is a more efficient and better route to Pure Communism than Marxism".

I wasn't aware Anarcho-Communism was a strategy, in the first place. Are you sure you aren't talking about Propaganda of the Deed and/or Syndicalism?
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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5/4/2011 9:41:08 PM
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At 5/4/2011 9:35:38 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 5/4/2011 7:32:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
"Resolved: Anarchist Communism is a more efficient and better route to Pure Communism than Marxism".

I wasn't aware Anarcho-Communism was a strategy, in the first place. Are you sure you aren't talking about Propaganda of the Deed and/or Syndicalism?

I'm not talking about it as a strategy but Anarcho Communists advocate overthrowing capitalism and government and going straight to Pure Communism rather than going first through authoritarian socialism and dictatorship of the proletariat.
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5/4/2011 10:03:45 PM
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At 5/4/2011 9:41:08 PM, socialpinko wrote:
I'm not talking about it as a strategy but Anarcho Communists advocate overthrowing capitalism and government and going straight to Pure Communism rather than going first through authoritarian socialism and dictatorship of the proletariat.

After overthrowing the yoke of the capitalists, should the workers just lay down their arms or use them to crush capitalist resistance?
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5/5/2011 1:46:24 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/5/2011 1:42:07 AM, FREEDO wrote:
Marx was a douche.

wow freedo you hate everything. you're so cool.

sp, is there a difference between what you advocate and libertarian socialism? still trying to wrap my head around that one...
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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5/5/2011 2:06:46 PM
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At 5/4/2011 7:32:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Does anyone here on the site advocate Marxism as a political philosophy? I'm looking for someone to challenge to a debate with the resolution "Resolved: Anarchist Communism is a more efficient and better route to Pure Communism than Marxism". I'm looking for someone who will actually take the debate seriously though.

I disagree Because even though pure communsim would mean you would have to get rid of the state, you would have to make the rest of the world the same form of communism as you, or your stateless land would be conquored by a country right next to it, so you would need a state to make the rest of the world communist and then get rid of the state. Marxism is better.
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5/5/2011 3:31:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/5/2011 2:06:46 PM, CrazyRepublican wrote:
At 5/4/2011 7:32:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Does anyone here on the site advocate Marxism as a political philosophy? I'm looking for someone to challenge to a debate with the resolution "Resolved: Anarchist Communism is a more efficient and better route to Pure Communism than Marxism". I'm looking for someone who will actually take the debate seriously though.

I disagree Because even though pure communsim would mean you would have to get rid of the state, you would have to make the rest of the world the same form of communism as you, or your stateless land would be conquored by a country right next to it, so you would need a state to make the rest of the world communist and then get rid of the state. Marxism is better.

Marxism seeks to destroy the state as well. The only difference is how they go about doing it. You obviously know nothing about Marxism or Anarchist communism. You're an idiot.
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5/5/2011 3:35:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'd take the debate, but, like Grape, I'm in a handful of debates at the current time already. If still open in a few weeks, I'll take the challenge.
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5/5/2011 3:36:47 PM
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At 5/5/2011 3:35:12 PM, OreEle wrote:
I'd take the debate, but, like Grape, I'm in a handful of debates at the current time already. If still open in a few weeks, I'll take the challenge.

I challenged rob1billion. If he doesn't accept I'd be glad to debate you on it.
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5/5/2011 3:39:05 PM
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At 5/5/2011 3:36:47 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 5/5/2011 3:35:12 PM, OreEle wrote:
I'd take the debate, but, like Grape, I'm in a handful of debates at the current time already. If still open in a few weeks, I'll take the challenge.

I challenged rob1billion. If he doesn't accept I'd be glad to debate you on it.

Does he even do debates (doesn't he only have 1 debate)? Have you checked with Rocky? He does a lot of debates and is listed as communist, though I'm not sure what branch he subscribes to.
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5/5/2011 3:40:14 PM
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At 5/5/2011 3:39:05 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 5/5/2011 3:36:47 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 5/5/2011 3:35:12 PM, OreEle wrote:
I'd take the debate, but, like Grape, I'm in a handful of debates at the current time already. If still open in a few weeks, I'll take the challenge.

I challenged rob1billion. If he doesn't accept I'd be glad to debate you on it.

Does he even do debates (doesn't he only have 1 debate)? Have you checked with Rocky? He does a lot of debates and is listed as communist, though I'm not sure what branch he subscribes to.

I'll be looking for communists to challenge. I hate Marxists. JK
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5/5/2011 10:00:06 PM
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At 5/5/2011 3:31:36 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 5/5/2011 2:06:46 PM, CrazyRepublican wrote:
At 5/4/2011 7:32:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Does anyone here on the site advocate Marxism as a political philosophy? I'm looking for someone to challenge to a debate with the resolution "Resolved: Anarchist Communism is a more efficient and better route to Pure Communism than Marxism". I'm looking for someone who will actually take the debate seriously though.

I disagree Because even though pure communsim would mean you would have to get rid of the state, you would have to make the rest of the world the same form of communism as you, or your stateless land would be conquored by a country right next to it, so you would need a state to make the rest of the world communist and then get rid of the state. Marxism is better.

Marxism seeks to destroy the state as well. The only difference is how they go about doing it. You obviously know nothing about Marxism or Anarchist communism. You're an idiot.

I do know much about Marxism! I knew that both require a stateless society, but Anarcho-communism seeks to do get rid of the government before they actually build socialism, where as in Marxism they build socialism, then communism, and then anarchy. Anarchy first will only end in the surround nations dividing up the land for themselves, whereas in Marxism they keep the state and build communism and spread it to the farthest corners of the globe untill the whole world is communist, this is the only way it would work. So Marxism is better.
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5/5/2011 10:03:10 PM
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At 5/5/2011 10:00:06 PM, CrazyRepublican wrote:
At 5/5/2011 3:31:36 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 5/5/2011 2:06:46 PM, CrazyRepublican wrote:
At 5/4/2011 7:32:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Does anyone here on the site advocate Marxism as a political philosophy? I'm looking for someone to challenge to a debate with the resolution "Resolved: Anarchist Communism is a more efficient and better route to Pure Communism than Marxism". I'm looking for someone who will actually take the debate seriously though.

I disagree Because even though pure communsim would mean you would have to get rid of the state, you would have to make the rest of the world the same form of communism as you, or your stateless land would be conquored by a country right next to it, so you would need a state to make the rest of the world communist and then get rid of the state. Marxism is better.

Marxism seeks to destroy the state as well. The only difference is how they go about doing it. You obviously know nothing about Marxism or Anarchist communism. You're an idiot.

I do know much about Marxism! I knew that both require a stateless society, but Anarcho-communism seeks to do get rid of the government before they actually build socialism, where as in Marxism they build socialism, then communism, and then anarchy. Anarchy first will only end in the surround nations dividing up the land for themselves, whereas in Marxism they keep the state and build communism and spread it to the farthest corners of the globe untill the whole world is communist, this is the only way it would work. So Marxism is better.

Debate me. Though your response clearly indicates no knowledge of what Marxism, Communism, or Anarchism are.
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5/6/2011 11:45:53 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'm quite looking forward to that debate. I'm on the libertarian/ ancap side of argument and I'm looking forward to see some debate on the other side and learn their authentic position.

What always makes me wonder is how left anarchists want to avoid conflict/overexploitation etc. over natural resources and indeed all the stuff known to us as "property". When there is no clear owner to property, those who share it have incentives to use it as much as possible, before others deplete it.
While left statists would manage the common property by force and rationing, how is it supposed to work in anarchy without individual ownership?