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Awed
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5/15/2011 2:34:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
What are some of the issues that Ron Paul is gaining ground on? I've looking a little bit into him, and it seems on a realistic level, he wouldn't be a good president compared to some others. Some issues he's supported over the years include an amendment for prayer in schools, supporting the idea that abortion is murder, getting rid of the Department of Education/Energy/Homeland Security, against NAFTA, etc.

I'm not trying to attack anyone, but in all seriousness, what really makes him a good candidate for president? Albeit there are some issues that I agree with him on, it seems like there are better candidates than him.
Ragnar_Rahl
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5/15/2011 3:08:38 PM
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You're a socialist, why are you even asking?
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5/15/2011 3:09:28 PM
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You say getting rid of those departments like that's a bad thing?
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5/15/2011 3:15:25 PM
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At 5/15/2011 3:08:38 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You're a socialist, why are you even asking?

ahhh
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Fabian_CH
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5/15/2011 3:16:47 PM
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Wait, you state that you're opposed to Ron Paul, then you ask whether he'd be a good president according to your values? Obviously not...
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5/15/2011 3:24:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/15/2011 2:34:05 PM, Awed wrote:
I've looking a little bit into him, and it seems on a realistic level, he wouldn't be a good president

I'm not trying to attack anyone, but in all seriousness, what really makes him a good candidate for president? Albeit there are some issues that I agree with him on, it seems like there are better candidates than him.

He can only be a good President if he agrees with you?

Intredasting.
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5/15/2011 8:37:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
^This is not the kind of response that fosters the diversity of opinions that we've being lacking^

To answer the OP, here are a few points:

- Ron Paul is actually against government intervention in the economy. That means unlike the fake crony capitalists, he won't intervene in favor of big business.

- Ron Paul is against military intervention. He will end wars and bring the troops home.

- Ron Paul is in favor of gay marriage

- Ron Paul is in favor of drug legalization

- NAFTA and the federal departments Ron Paul wants to get rid of actually are bad/wasteful

- Ron Paul is not any of the other Republican candidates, who all suck

- Ron Paul has never committed a war crime, which puts him ahead of the incumbent on that point alone

I'm sure my fellow libertarians could elaborate on that quite a bit.
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5/15/2011 8:59:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/15/2011 3:24:56 PM, Nags wrote:
At 5/15/2011 2:34:05 PM, Awed wrote:
I've looking a little bit into him, and it seems on a realistic level, he wouldn't be a good president

I'm not trying to attack anyone, but in all seriousness, what really makes him a good candidate for president? Albeit there are some issues that I agree with him on, it seems like there are better candidates than him.

He can only be a good President if he agrees with you?

Intredasting.

Check out Nags trying to make a DDO comeback!
kfc
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5/15/2011 10:12:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/15/2011 2:34:05 PM, Awed wrote:
and it seems on a realistic level, he wouldn't be a good president compared to some others.

Wrong. He'd be infinitely greater than all the past presidents save for a few of the founding fathers.

Some issues he's supported over the years include an amendment for prayer in schools,

I'm pretty sure he is simply saying that prayer should be allowed, not mandated. What's wrong with having the freedom to pray where ever you want?

supporting the idea that abortion is murder,

He is against the Federal government telling people whether they can get an abortion or not.

getting rid of the Department of Education

This department is a waste and does more harm than good.

/Energy/

What's the point of this department?

Homeland Security,

He actually isn't entirely against Homeland Security. He just wants to eliminate the bureaucracy involved.

against NAFTA, etc.

NAFTA is a bad idea that will kill our national sovereignty and bring us closer to a One World Government.

I'm not trying to attack anyone, but in all seriousness, what really makes him a good candidate for president? Albeit there are some issues that I agree with him on, it seems like there are better candidates than him.

Ron Paul supports:

- Legalizing all drugs

- Legalizing prostitution

- Release all non-violent drug users from prison.

- End all wars.

- Abolish the Federal Reserve.

- Abolish the IRS.

- Cut useless Federal Departments.

- Cut military spending.

- Privatize Social Security and Medicare.

- Stop internet regulation
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5/15/2011 10:20:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/15/2011 8:59:57 PM, Rob1_Billion wrote:
At 5/15/2011 3:24:56 PM, Nags wrote:
At 5/15/2011 2:34:05 PM, Awed wrote:
I've looking a little bit into him, and it seems on a realistic level, he wouldn't be a good president

I'm not trying to attack anyone, but in all seriousness, what really makes him a good candidate for president? Albeit there are some issues that I agree with him on, it seems like there are better candidates than him.

He can only be a good President if he agrees with you?

Intredasting.

Check out Nags trying to make a DDO comeback!

Watch your back Robbie.
gavin.ogden
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5/15/2011 11:45:28 PM
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Ron Paul is more of a catalyst for the idea of personal rights than anything. Even if he does not win(which he obviously won't) he will open the door for people to elect those who have the people's interest in mind, instead of the big corporations. He is educating as many people as he can, on issues that should be at the forefront, but are pushed to the side, and replaced by filler and subterfuge. Any intelligent human being who listens to Ron Paul has to be on board with the majority of his views(except abortion, although he is not advocating the overturning of Roe Vs. Wade).
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5/15/2011 11:55:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/15/2011 2:34:05 PM, Awed wrote:
What are some of the issues that Ron Paul is gaining ground on? I've looking a little bit into him, and it seems on a realistic level, he wouldn't be a good president compared to some others. Some issues he's supported over the years include an amendment for prayer in schools, supporting the idea that abortion is murder, getting rid of the Department of Education/Energy/Homeland Security, against NAFTA, etc.

I'm not trying to attack anyone, but in all seriousness, what really makes him a good candidate for president? Albeit there are some issues that I agree with him on, it seems like there are better candidates than him.
Awed
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5/15/2011 11:59:16 PM
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Jeez, no wonder there's a whole issue with new members. I ask a question for some clarity and get these type of responses, aside from Grape.

Anyways, I was more or less trying to get at clarification on how his libertarian policies would benefit the status quo, not how they fit to my liking.

I'm not asking for an essay on how cutting government departments would benefit our country, but clarity on how in the status quo, cutting the foreign aid would help/hurt international relations or how getting rid of the Fed would help/hurt out our economy.
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5/16/2011 12:09:48 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/15/2011 11:59:16 PM, Awed wrote:
Jeez, no wonder there's a whole issue with new members. I ask a question for some clarity and get these type of responses, aside from Grape.
Maybe you should be clearer, because none of the first several people responding to the thread understood what you were trying to say.
Anyways, I was more or less trying to get at clarification on how his libertarian policies would benefit the status quo, not how they fit to my liking.
What?
I'm not asking for an essay on how cutting government departments would benefit our country, but clarity on how in the status quo, cutting the foreign aid would help/hurt international relations or how getting rid of the Fed would help/hurt out our economy.
...What? Do you even know what the status quo is or what it means? The bolded are policy-related and of course you would disagree with Paul's stance on those issues.
gavin.ogden
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5/16/2011 12:11:27 AM
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At 5/15/2011 11:59:16 PM, Awed wrote:
Jeez, no wonder there's a whole issue with new members. I ask a question for some clarity and get these type of responses, aside from Grape.

Anyways, I was more or less trying to get at clarification on how his libertarian policies would benefit the status quo, not how they fit to my liking.

I'm not asking for an essay on how cutting government departments would benefit our country, but clarity on how in the status quo, cutting the foreign aid would help/hurt international relations or how getting rid of the Fed would help/hurt out our economy.

Open your mind a little and you will find the answers to your questions. Bottom line: The saying, "It takes a village to raise a child", is wrong. We other villagers are busy raising our children. If you can't/won't accept the personal responsibility associated with real life situations, you have no right to my personal gains. If I choose to lend you a hand, that's on me, not our government. The people are supposed to be in charge of the government, not the other way around.
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5/16/2011 12:11:31 AM
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Anyways, I was more or less trying to get at clarification on how his libertarian policies would benefit the status quo, not how they fit to my liking.
Start a thread about the policies then. A thread about the candidate implies the contrary.
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lewis20
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5/16/2011 9:50:49 AM
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At 5/15/2011 11:59:16 PM, Awed wrote:
Jeez, no wonder there's a whole issue with new members. I ask a question for some clarity and get these type of responses, aside from Grape.

Anyways, I was more or less trying to get at clarification on how his libertarian policies would benefit the status quo, not how they fit to my liking.

I'm not asking for an essay on how cutting government departments would benefit our country, but clarity on how in the status quo, cutting the foreign aid would help/hurt international relations or how getting rid of the Fed would help/hurt out our economy.

You might not be asking for essay, but it takes more than a sentence or two to explain things like the Federal Reserve, let alone make a case for why it should be abolished.
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Fabian_CH
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5/16/2011 10:05:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/15/2011 8:37:11 PM, Grape wrote:
- Ron Paul is in favor of gay marriage
Slight correction: he thinks it's a states' rights issue, so he would not do anything (even though he's said he's sympathetic). Same for abortion, if I remember correctly.

But yeah, Ron Paul is a way better choice for many liberals than any of the Democrats. In fact, it was Ron Paul who first got me to challenge my convictions back when I was quite the liberal myself.
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