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5/19/2011 2:02:12 PM
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At 5/19/2011 1:59:42 PM, badger wrote:
rob is an anarcho capitalist. discuss?

Yeah, i don't think so. I don't think there really is a label for what he believes in.
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5/19/2011 2:02:52 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:02:12 PM, innomen wrote:
At 5/19/2011 1:59:42 PM, badger wrote:
rob is an anarcho capitalist. discuss?

Yeah, i don't think so. I don't think there really is a label for what he believes in.

by my figuring it's anarcho capitalism...
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5/19/2011 2:04:20 PM
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or just plain ole anarchism only with some crazy belief that we'd all be lovely to each other and wouldn't be raping and eating each other the whole time.. which'd be what rob's political ideology pretty much?
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5/19/2011 2:04:40 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:04:20 PM, badger wrote:
or just plain ole anarchism only with some crazy belief that we'd all be lovely to each other and wouldn't be raping and eating each other the whole time.. which'd be what rob's political ideology pretty much?

anarcho capitalism.
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5/19/2011 2:05:16 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:04:20 PM, badger wrote:
or just plain ole anarchism only with some crazy belief that we'd all be lovely to each other and wouldn't be raping and eating each other the whole time.. which'd be what rob's political ideology pretty much?

Kind of, but you need to add the word "sustainable" to it.
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5/19/2011 2:07:15 PM
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i figure capitalism is pretty much a natural thing... and that for there to be currency there'd have to be kingdoms/governments pretty much.. and if there's no currency.. then you've rob.. this is all the stuff he used be preaching..
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5/19/2011 2:09:02 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:05:11 PM, belle wrote:
everyone knows rob hates capitalism

rob hates cops, laws against drugs and that other people are rich and he's not.
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5/19/2011 2:09:12 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:07:15 PM, badger wrote:
i figure capitalism is pretty much a natural thing... and that for there to be currency there'd have to be kingdoms/governments pretty much.. and if there's no currency.. then you've rob.. this is all the stuff he used be preaching..

I think he believes in some sort of barter like system of self interest, and kumbaya stuff.
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5/19/2011 2:12:36 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:09:12 PM, innomen wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:07:15 PM, badger wrote:
i figure capitalism is pretty much a natural thing... and that for there to be currency there'd have to be kingdoms/governments pretty much.. and if there's no currency.. then you've rob.. this is all the stuff he used be preaching..

I think he believes in some sort of barter like system of self interest, and kumbaya stuff.

i can't differentiate capitalism from a bartering... and anarcho capitalists are big into their kumbaya stuff going by its wiki.. non aggression.. magical property rights.. stuff like that.. i think that we've currency is because we've government. and that currency isn't what capitalism is. just how capitalism takes form within a democratic union..
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5/19/2011 2:17:37 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:12:36 PM, badger wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:09:12 PM, innomen wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:07:15 PM, badger wrote:
i figure capitalism is pretty much a natural thing... and that for there to be currency there'd have to be kingdoms/governments pretty much.. and if there's no currency.. then you've rob.. this is all the stuff he used be preaching..

I think he believes in some sort of barter like system of self interest, and kumbaya stuff.

i can't differentiate capitalism from a bartering... and anarcho capitalists are big into their kumbaya stuff going by its wiki.. non aggression.. magical property rights.. stuff like that.. i think that we've currency is because we've government. and that currency isn't what capitalism is. just how capitalism takes form within a democratic union..

Anarcho commie green guy.
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5/19/2011 2:20:50 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:12:36 PM, badger wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:09:12 PM, innomen wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:07:15 PM, badger wrote:
i figure capitalism is pretty much a natural thing... and that for there to be currency there'd have to be kingdoms/governments pretty much.. and if there's no currency.. then you've rob.. this is all the stuff he used be preaching..

I think he believes in some sort of barter like system of self interest, and kumbaya stuff.

i can't differentiate capitalism from a bartering... and anarcho capitalists are big into their kumbaya stuff going by its wiki.. non aggression.. magical property rights.. stuff like that.. i think that we've currency is because we've government. and that currency isn't what capitalism is. just how capitalism takes form within a democratic union..

i suppose the the second bit was pretty much the first bit :) anyway.. anybody? sieben wants to debate about it for freeman's tournament.. all he'll tell me is a that he's an anarcho capitalist though.. besides how he says non agression and something about the sale of property everynow and again.. i asked him did he consider it anarchism.. nothing.. i asked him did he consider minarchy.. nothing.. i have no idea where i can go from here? and he's not talking on account of him thinking i'm trolling?
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5/19/2011 2:21:47 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:17:37 PM, innomen wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:12:36 PM, badger wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:09:12 PM, innomen wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:07:15 PM, badger wrote:
i figure capitalism is pretty much a natural thing... and that for there to be currency there'd have to be kingdoms/governments pretty much.. and if there's no currency.. then you've rob.. this is all the stuff he used be preaching..

I think he believes in some sort of barter like system of self interest, and kumbaya stuff.

i can't differentiate capitalism from a bartering... and anarcho capitalists are big into their kumbaya stuff going by its wiki.. non aggression.. magical property rights.. stuff like that.. i think that we've currency is because we've government. and that currency isn't what capitalism is. just how capitalism takes form within a democratic union..

Anarcho commie green guy.

yeah that sounds like it might be rob..
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5/19/2011 2:28:04 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:24:14 PM, badger wrote:
i remember him spouting on about bartering though.. that's capitalism..

meh. maybe a really primitive form, but without currency you can't develop a really complex economy and it doesn't make much sense to speak of anyone as amassing stockpiles of "capital goods". large scale manufacturing wouldn't really be practical.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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5/19/2011 2:28:35 PM
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Money arises naturally with or without the state. "Money" is just a name we give to whatever the most liquid commodity on the market presently is, usually gold and silver.
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5/19/2011 2:34:21 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:28:04 PM, belle wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:24:14 PM, badger wrote:
i remember him spouting on about bartering though.. that's capitalism..

meh. maybe a really primitive form, but without currency you can't develop a really complex economy and it doesn't make much sense to speak of anyone as amassing stockpiles of "capital goods". large scale manufacturing wouldn't really be practical.

i'm saying that without government you can't develop a really complex economy...
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5/19/2011 2:36:27 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:28:35 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Money arises naturally with or without the state. "Money" is just a name we give to whatever the most liquid commodity on the market presently is, usually gold and silver.

rob is explicitly anti-currency though. of course some commodity would serve in that role, since given your definition there must be a "most liquid" commodity at all times, but it would certainly be less efficient (less "liquid") than the currency we use today, and that would hinder specialization.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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5/19/2011 2:38:17 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:28:35 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Money arises naturally with or without the state. "Money" is just a name we give to whatever the most liquid commodity on the market presently is, usually gold and silver.

examples of it having done so without the state? who'd trade for gold or silver if not with force to back up their value.. they're not all that practical really..
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5/19/2011 2:39:23 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:38:17 PM, badger wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:28:35 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Money arises naturally with or without the state. "Money" is just a name we give to whatever the most liquid commodity on the market presently is, usually gold and silver.

examples of it having done so without the state? who'd trade for gold or silver if not with force to back up their value.. they're not all that practical really..

you'll probably say private force... who'd mint money? private corporations?
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5/19/2011 2:48:38 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:39:23 PM, badger wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:38:17 PM, badger wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:28:35 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Money arises naturally with or without the state. "Money" is just a name we give to whatever the most liquid commodity on the market presently is, usually gold and silver.

examples of it having done so without the state? who'd trade for gold or silver if not with force to back up their value.. they're not all that practical really..

you'll probably say private force... who'd mint money? private corporations?

or everyone together like hippies?
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5/19/2011 2:52:12 PM
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i suppose it'd be kinda possible to progress to anarcho capitalism from government.. but there'd definitely have had to have been government first in my eyes.. and then it'd go onto a dictorship of course :)
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5/19/2011 3:11:29 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:38:17 PM, badger wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:28:35 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Money arises naturally with or without the state. "Money" is just a name we give to whatever the most liquid commodity on the market presently is, usually gold and silver.

examples of it having done so without the state?

http://mises.org... Pages 12-18

who'd trade for gold or silver if not with force to back up their value.. they're not all that practical really..

Value is subjective, and people have always valued gold and silver. That's one of the characteristics that make them ideal for use as money. People like shiny jewelry and silverware, I guess. Both silver and gold are also used in electronics.
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5/19/2011 3:13:27 PM
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At 5/19/2011 2:39:23 PM, badger wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:38:17 PM, badger wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:28:35 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Money arises naturally with or without the state. "Money" is just a name we give to whatever the most liquid commodity on the market presently is, usually gold and silver.

examples of it having done so without the state? who'd trade for gold or silver if not with force to back up their value.. they're not all that practical really..

you'll probably say private force...

Nobody has to force anyone to accept them. Even if some people don't personally value gold and silver qua gold and silver, it still has instrumental value insofar as it can be readily exchanged for something else.

who'd mint money? private corporations?

You do know private companies are already minting coins, right?
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5/19/2011 3:14:45 PM
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At 5/19/2011 3:11:29 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:38:17 PM, badger wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:28:35 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Money arises naturally with or without the state. "Money" is just a name we give to whatever the most liquid commodity on the market presently is, usually gold and silver.

examples of it having done so without the state?

http://mises.org... Pages 12-18

thank you. must read it.

who'd trade for gold or silver if not with force to back up their value.. they're not all that practical really..

Value is subjective, and people have always valued gold and silver. That's one of the characteristics that make them ideal for use as money. People like shiny jewelry and silverware, I guess. Both silver and gold are also used in electronics.

i don't think people like shiny stuff as much as they like surviving.. and we're on about the evolution of currency here.. i'm fairly sure it'd predate electronics in most cases...
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5/19/2011 3:15:30 PM
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At 5/19/2011 3:14:45 PM, badger wrote:
At 5/19/2011 3:11:29 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:38:17 PM, badger wrote:
At 5/19/2011 2:28:35 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Money arises naturally with or without the state. "Money" is just a name we give to whatever the most liquid commodity on the market presently is, usually gold and silver.

examples of it having done so without the state?

http://mises.org... Pages 12-18

thank you. must read it.

who'd trade for gold or silver if not with force to back up their value.. they're not all that practical really..

Value is subjective, and people have always valued gold and silver. That's one of the characteristics that make them ideal for use as money. People like shiny jewelry and silverware, I guess. Both silver and gold are also used in electronics.

i don't think people like shiny stuff as much as they like surviving.. and we're on about the evolution of currency here.. i'm fairly sure it'd predate electronics in most cases...

well in any case for which your point about them being used in electronics would be relevant anyway...
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